Unfortunately, I don’t have time to argue with a bunch of pot-heads. I am through… finished with this thread. You can go ahead and bash me all you want; I could really, honestly, care less what a bunch of pot-heads have to say anyway. I really think you individuals who disagree with me need to take the cotton out of your ears, and put it in your mouth, where it belongs.
[quote]Brendan B wrote:
It took me 5 seconds to find this, and I am sure “IF” I really wanted to I could find more…
“Marijuana should be illegal for the majority of medical purposes because of the potentially dangerous side effects. Some of these side effects include lapse, or no commonsense for decision making. There have been absolutely no cases stating a person has overdosed from smoking marijuana, but there have been several documented cases that prove marijuana was the cause of death. An example of this would be, a person smokes one self made marijuana cigarette, and attempts to drive an automobile. The moment that person sits in the driver seat, they become as dangerous as a drunk driver. Another extremely dangerous side effect is the slowing down of reflexes. If a marijuana intoxicated driver were to be confronted with a foreign object on the road, it we be too late for him/her to realize the danger he has placed himself and possibly the other passengers.Those side effects could be considered miniscule to the possibility that smoking marijuana leads to harder drugs. The cold hard facts prove that marijuana is the steppingstone to harder drugs. These harder drugs include cocaine, heroin, LSD, and several others. If you were to ask current drug users what there first drug was, the most common answer would be marijuana.”
Another article states marijuana to be the cause of long term brain damage. I am certain this is what the majority of you think headed individuals are suffering from. You can make all the excuses want, ponder up all the exceptions to the rule, even snort the shit up your nose, but the real truth of the matter is you really have no clue.
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One of the worst posts ever with the most holes I could imagine. Marijuana is not a cause of death for someone who gets in an accident while driving high. Being an idiot and choosing to drive in a compromised condition is.
It is true that more users of marijuana go on to use ‘harder’ drugs than non-users. Correlation does not equal causation. This is most likely the case because such indiviudals are more prone to risk-taking behavior in the first place. In any case, it becomes very irrelevant given the fact that MOST mairjuana users DO NOT go on to use harder drugs. Assume there are 100 heroin addicts. Perhaps 90 of them used marijuana. This does not change the fact that out of, let’s say 5000 marijuana users, only 90 went on to use heroin.
Please show me the article that says marijuana causes long-term brain damage. I’m sure that it is not an actual scientific study with documented sources. Rather, it’s an op-ed. I’m done defending. Personally, I only smoke pot very infrequently. But I detest ignorance. And you’ve manifestly exhibited that today. I hope you are still in high school. Perhaps there’s still hope.
[quote]Brendan B wrote:
Unfortunately, I don?t have time to argue with a bunch of pot-heads. I am through? finished with this thread. You can go ahead and bash me all you want; I could really, honestly, care less what a bunch of pot-heads have to say anyway. I really think you individuals who disagree with me need to take the cotton out of your ears, and put it in your mouth, where it belongs.[/quote]
I think you are most likely less intelligent, less succesful, less interesting, less fun, less open-minded, weaker, and smaller than many of your pot-smoking peers. Congrats on your self-righteousness. Hope it serves you well.
[quote]Brendan B wrote:
georgeb wrote:
Some of us can function with it, some of us can’t. I just keep it to once every couple weeks, and I do fine. As for OD’ing on it, the only way to do it is to eat too much. A friend of mine had to get her stomach pumped because she ate a few too many brownies. It is obviously not good for you, as breathing in any combusted material isn’t healthy. However, it is no equal or better than alcohol for you. Moderation is the key.
B… you need to take it easy man. Smoking pot is just a choice, just like working out is. We are still productive members of society, just like you (except we smoke pot).
Kael, if cutting back is what you want to do, then do it. Wish you luck man.
I love how you are trying to use self-justification to make marijuana seem like it is acceptable by linking it to alcohol. The fact still remains that marijuana is illegal, and there is a respectable reason it is. I often ask myself where this world would be if the majority of the people were on marijuana. Fact is, there would be no thinkers, no achievers, and no body to elevate their performance; it would just be a bunch of druggies wasting their time, money, and lives.
[/quote]
Get off your fucking soapbox. Some of the most creative minds in the history of the world used drugs. It is strongly thought that Shakespeare smoked pot. William Blake was on opium, as was Samuel Taylor Coleridge. Dylan Thomas was a drunk, as was Baudelaire, Rimbaud, and Francois Villon. Lord Byron was a known drinker. Jim Morrison and a slew of other incredible musicians also used lots of different drugs. Aldous Huxley famously proclaimed that, “When the doors of perception are cleansed, man will see everything as it truly is; infinite”. This was after an acid trip. Paul McCartney has said that if all world leaders tried acid once, there would be no more conflicts.
I am not advocating drugs, because I am really only a drinker. But you need to realize that certain great, creative minds need something else to help them reacha different state of conciousness. Sure, at a certain point it can become destructive. But for the most part, it can be an aid into reaching into a different state of mind where you can discover new things.
Yea, I’m an English major, this is how we tend to think. Dont ask questions.
But, was William Blake on opium the night he killed his wife?
I’m sorry allegedly shot and killed his wife
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Brendan B wrote:
georgeb wrote:
Some of us can function with it, some of us can’t. I just keep it to once every couple weeks, and I do fine. As for OD’ing on it, the only way to do it is to eat too much. A friend of mine had to get her stomach pumped because she ate a few too many brownies. It is obviously not good for you, as breathing in any combusted material isn’t healthy. However, it is no equal or better than alcohol for you. Moderation is the key.
B.. you need to take it easy man. Smoking pot is just a choice, just like working out is. We are still productive members of society, just like you (except we smoke pot).
Kael, if cutting back is what you want to do, then do it. Wish you luck man.
I love how you are trying to use self-justification to make marijuana seem like it is acceptable by linking it to alcohol. The fact still remains that marijuana is illegal, and there is a respectable reason it is. I often ask myself where this world would be if the majority of the people were on marijuana. Fact is, there would be no thinkers, no achievers, and no body to elevate their performance; it would just be a bunch of druggies wasting their time, money, and lives.
Get off your fucking soapbox. Some of the most creative minds in the history of the world used drugs. It is strongly thought that Shakespeare smoked pot. William Blake was on opium, as was Samuel Taylor Coleridge. Dylan Thomas was a drunk, as was Baudelaire, Rimbaud, and Francois Villon. Lord Byron was a known drinker. Jim Morrison and a slew of other incredible musicians also used lots of different drugs. Aldous Huxley famously proclaimed that, “When the doors of perception are cleansed, man will see everything as it truly is; infinite”. This was after an acid trip. Paul McCartney has said that if all world leaders tried acid once, there would be no more conflicts.
I am not advocating drugs, because I am really only a drinker. But you need to realize that certain great, creative minds need something else to help them reacha different state of conciousness. Sure, at a certain point it can become destructive. But for the most part, it can be an aid into reaching into a different state of mind where you can discover new things.
Yea, I’m an English major, this is how we tend to think. Dont ask questions.[/quote]
On a serious note Irish
I’ve always found this a weak defense.
Who knows what would have been acomplished otherwise. And why do ‘creative’ minds need a different stream of thought?
Many musicians and writers have extolled the virtues of coming clean in their later years.
I wouldn’t make any large bet that Sir Paul knows squat about the future after our world leaders drop some windowpane.
Personally, I could care less, but to assume that these minds ‘need’ this type of stimulation or outlet is stretching it a bit
Peace bro–I hope the sun is shining brighter for you these days.
Hey Brendan-I want to apologize. Your attitude was really irritating, and I still think you are clueless. But it was wrong to get personal like that.
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
Hey Brendan-I want to apologize. Your attitude was really irritating, and I still think you are clueless. But it was wrong to get personal like that.[/quote]
No worries buddy. I am just stating an opinion. You do not necessarily have to agree with me, but I do still think marijuana is absolutely inappropriate.
[quote]sasquatch wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Brendan B wrote:
georgeb wrote:
Some of us can function with it, some of us can’t. I just keep it to once every couple weeks, and I do fine. As for OD’ing on it, the only way to do it is to eat too much. A friend of mine had to get her stomach pumped because she ate a few too many brownies. It is obviously not good for you, as breathing in any combusted material isn’t healthy. However, it is no equal or better than alcohol for you. Moderation is the key.
B.. you need to take it easy man. Smoking pot is just a choice, just like working out is. We are still productive members of society, just like you (except we smoke pot).
Kael, if cutting back is what you want to do, then do it. Wish you luck man.
I love how you are trying to use self-justification to make marijuana seem like it is acceptable by linking it to alcohol. The fact still remains that marijuana is illegal, and there is a respectable reason it is. I often ask myself where this world would be if the majority of the people were on marijuana. Fact is, there would be no thinkers, no achievers, and no body to elevate their performance; it would just be a bunch of druggies wasting their time, money, and lives.
Get off your fucking soapbox. Some of the most creative minds in the history of the world used drugs. It is strongly thought that Shakespeare smoked pot. William Blake was on opium, as was Samuel Taylor Coleridge. Dylan Thomas was a drunk, as was Baudelaire, Rimbaud, and Francois Villon. Lord Byron was a known drinker. Jim Morrison and a slew of other incredible musicians also used lots of different drugs. Aldous Huxley famously proclaimed that, “When the doors of perception are cleansed, man will see everything as it truly is; infinite”. This was after an acid trip. Paul McCartney has said that if all world leaders tried acid once, there would be no more conflicts.
I am not advocating drugs, because I am really only a drinker. But you need to realize that certain great, creative minds need something else to help them reacha different state of conciousness. Sure, at a certain point it can become destructive. But for the most part, it can be an aid into reaching into a different state of mind where you can discover new things.
Yea, I’m an English major, this is how we tend to think. Dont ask questions.
On a serious note Irish
I’ve always found this a weak defense.
Who knows what would have been acomplished otherwise. And why do ‘creative’ minds need a different stream of thought?
Many musicians and writers have extolled the virtues of coming clean in their later years.
I wouldn’t make any large bet that Sir Paul knows squat about the future after our world leaders drop some windowpane.
Personally, I could care less, but to assume that these minds ‘need’ this type of stimulation or outlet is stretching it a bit
Peace bro–I hope the sun is shining brighter for you these days.[/quote]
Hell I don’t know why. The people that tend to have darker minds always gravitate towards the use of such things. And you are absolutely right about coming clean eventually. Coleridge was eventually destroyed by opium, as Dylan Thomas, Jack Kerouac, and countless others were destroyed by drinking. I can never really figure out why these things, or the abuse of such drugs, is so commonplace in the world of music, literature, and art.
I think it tends to coincide with the ideal that sometimes the greatest geniuses are always partially insane to a degree; look at Van Gogh.
Drinking and what not tends to be a coping mechanism for those that cannot deal with reality as it truly is, or the nature of man that often damns these greats to poverty and reclusiveness in their own lives. I think it was Wordsworth who wrote the poem, “The world is too much with us”. In the poem he was critiscing the fast pace of life and our own problems, but the title can be taken differently I think. Sometimes the world ways too much on good minds, and drives them to cope using drugs and what not. At a point, an writer’s writings almost become inseperable with the life then author leads (new criticism says this is untrue, but I dont believe it). So you have to take a body of work along with how the person was feeling at the time.
To take an example that most people know, take Jim Morrison. He is a direct descendant of Blake and Huxley as far as thought goes. And the mindset of these men was Blake’s own aphorisms: “You cannot know what is enough until you know what is more than enough” and “The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom”. If they had led straight and narrow lives, they would have been drastically different, and in consequence, their works would be also.
That altered state of mind is something I cannot explain. Some of my greatest, and worst thoughts have come when I am very drunk or very high, and writing. I think it allows you to write with more truth and less inhibitions than one would normally. This makes more of a difference than you would think, as very few people are honest with themselves when sober, as there is always that shutoff that is rational thought. Sometimes irrational thought is the way to a sort of enlightenment.
As far as sobering up later in life, most of the work that these guys produced was best when they were young. They praise it because they like living, of course, but very few writers or musicians keep up the prodigious work and incredible spirit that they have when they are young. Look at Aerosmith. I always say they were alot better when they were on heroin… 
Blake never killed his wife as far as I know, I am not sure who you are refering to.
And I appreciate the sidenote…Time is doing what it can. Things are getting there. Thanks.
[quote]Brendan B wrote:
Unfortunately, I don’t have time to argue with a bunch of pot-heads. I am through… finished with this thread. You can go ahead and bash me all you want; I could really, honestly, care less what a bunch of pot-heads have to say anyway. I really think you individuals who disagree with me need to take the cotton out of your ears, and put it in your mouth, where it belongs.[/quote]
Someone got stuffed in a locker in high school…
[quote]Brendan B wrote:
Unfortunately, I don’t have time to argue with a bunch of pot-heads. I am through… finished with this thread. You can go ahead and bash me all you want; I could really, honestly, care less what a bunch of pot-heads have to say anyway. I really think you individuals who disagree with me need to take the cotton out of your ears, and put it in your mouth, where it belongs.[/quote]
ok, so let?s make this short.
Pot- head that I am, I have more sex than you, I?m smarter than you and I make so much more money than you, that I couldn?t care less what you think.
See, I can be an asshole too.
But if having one or two vices stops me from being one most of the time, they are probably GOOD for me, even though they damage my lungs, liver or even, gasp, make my muscles grow slower.
Being human is not all about being as healthy as you can when you die, it is also a lot about living before you die. And yes, drug abuse and having sex with complete strangers can be quite interesting as long as you don?t overdo it.
As Zap said, moderation is the key.
Ps: Not only is everything I claimed in the first paragraph absolutely and completely true (at least as far as I know), people like you are one of the reasons why people like me tend to smoke and drink themselves into oblivion every now and then, to get away from that enormous amount of stupidity.
So, stop being such a dick, and the use of cannabis might decline all by itself.
[quote]sasquatch wrote:
But, was William Blake on opium the night he killed his wife?
I’m sorry allegedly shot and killed his wife[/quote]
William Blake probably partook of opium, but then it was legal as a pain-reliever in his century. Anybody who claimed that angels sat for him while he painted was probably on SOMEthing. But he didn’t kill his wife.
Now, ROBERT Blake…
[quote]Brendan B wrote:
"Marijuana should be illegal for the majority of medical purposes because of the potentially dangerous side effects. [/quote]
Any fool can make a rule, and every fool will mind it.
–Henry David Thoreau
and just for you:
The trouble with the World is that the stupid are so confident while the intelligent are full of doubt.
–Bertrand Russell
edit: don’t forget this news:
Cannabinoids Promote Neurogenesis In The Brain, Study Says
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Baltimore, MD: The administration of synthetic cannabinoids promotes the
proliferation of newborn neurons (nerve cells) in the rat brain and likely
accounts for the drug’s anti-anxiety and mood elevating effects, according
to preclinical trial data published today in The Journal of Clinical
Investigation.
Investigators found that the administration of synthetic cannabinoids
increased neurogenesis in the rat hippocampus and significantly reduced
measures of anxiety and depression-like behavior. Neurogenesis (the birth
of neuronal cells) is thought to enable organisms to adapt to their
environment and influence their learning and memory throughout life.
“Cannabinoids appear to be the only illicit drug whose capacity to produce
increased hippocampal newborn neurons is positively correlated with its
anxiolytic and antidepressant-like effects,” authors concluded.
Alcohol consumption has also been associated with a decrease in
neurogenesis in adults.
“These findings add to the growing body of scientific evidence indicating
that cannabis is non-toxic and may hold significant neurological benefits,
including the treatment of certain neurologic diseases such as Alzheimer’s
disease and Parkinson’s disease,” NORML Senior Policy Analyst Paul
Armentano said.
Previous research has shown cannabinoids to be neuroprotective in animals
against brain damage caused by alcohol and/or stroke.
For more information, please contact Paul Armentano, NORML Senior Policy
Analyst, at (202) 483-5500. Full text of the study, “Cannabinoids promote
embryonic and adult hippocampus neurogenesis and produce anxiolytic- and
depressant-like effects” is available in the November issue of The Journal
of Clinical Investigation.
[quote]Brendan B wrote:
Boyle wrote:
Do you feel by flaming the poster that you’ll get your message across?
Don’t be a tool
No, that is not my point nor my motive. My point that I am trying to get across is that he, along with some of the other poster on this forum, are idiots.
They can either except this, or change it.
B
[/quote]
Nah, he just wants everybody to see what a virtuous boy he is.
People that think other people should die, should die.
Smoke a bowl, you’ll be less of an asshole that way.
[quote]Nate Gates wrote:
Please do not assume that everyone that does not drink or smoke is a lame o.
I do not care if you smoke the stickiest of the icky, it does not affect me so it is none of my business.[/quote]
Finally, someone who sees the light.
[quote]TShaw wrote:
sasquatch wrote:
But, was William Blake on opium the night he killed his wife?
I’m sorry allegedly shot and killed his wife
William Blake probably partook of opium, but then it was legal as a pain-reliever in his century. Anybody who claimed that angels sat for him while he painted was probably on SOMEthing. But he didn’t kill his wife.
Now, ROBERT Blake…[/quote]
Robert Blake didn’t kill his wife. He had the perfect alibi. He left his gun in the restaraunt and when he went back in to get it someone shot his wife.
Happens all the time.
[quote]Brendan B wrote:
Kael231 wrote:
I DO want to gain weight and be healthy, however you obviously know nothing of the statistics among crack, alcohol, cigarettes, and weed…cigarettes are responsible for over 400,000 deaths in the U.S each year. 75,000 deaths are alcohol-related. Marijuana causes approximately…no wait, exactly ZERO deaths a year, wait…I meant EVER. It hasn’t even been proven to cause any type of health hazard including lung disease and heart disease.
A buddy of mine had two of his close neighbors die last June on the same night smoking pot. I have seen what drugs do to people, what it turns them into, and how it affects their lives, and it is a road I personally do not want to go down, let alone see other people go down. It is not only a waste of time and money, it is unhealthy; and, in addition to all that, it is down right gross. Look at how many elite athletes do drugs, it is less than 1/10 of 1%. What the majority of them have in common is self-respect.
Gain self respect, and, as phony as this sounds, your heart will guide you,
B
[/quote]
I call bullshit on this.
Your buddy was having fun at your expense, dude. Nobody died because of pot. No matter how much you smoke, you are not going to die from it. If these people actually did die, it was from some other cause, like alcohol poisoning.
Allow me to remind everybody that you can EAT pot as well as smoke it. That way you can spare your lungs, if that is your concern. Pleas show me one single statistic regarding pot eating.
Brendan, get over yourself. You are still coming across like an arrogant, snot nosed punk. Experience life a little and pull the corn cob out of your sanctimonious behind.
Not all drugs are the same. Not all people have the same reactions to drugs, that is why there are so many different kinds. If you can’t hold your liquor or your weed or whatever, then don’t use it. If you can, have a great time.
WMD
[quote]Brendan B wrote:
georgeb wrote:
Some of us can function with it, some of us can’t. I just keep it to once every couple weeks, and I do fine. As for OD’ing on it, the only way to do it is to eat too much. A friend of mine had to get her stomach pumped because she ate a few too many brownies. It is obviously not good for you, as breathing in any combusted material isn’t healthy. However, it is no equal or better than alcohol for you. Moderation is the key.
B… you need to take it easy man. Smoking pot is just a choice, just like working out is. We are still productive members of society, just like you (except we smoke pot).
Kael, if cutting back is what you want to do, then do it. Wish you luck man.
I love how you are trying to use self-justification to make marijuana seem like it is acceptable by linking it to alcohol. The fact still remains that marijuana is illegal, and there is a respectable reason it is. I often ask myself where this world would be if the majority of the people were on marijuana. Fact is, there would be no thinkers, no achievers, and no body to elevate their performance; it would just be a bunch of druggies wasting their time, money, and lives.
[/quote]
Racism is a respectable reason for a law? Since when? Maybe you could try reading a little on the histroy of the pot laws before you start talking out your ass again.
You are projecting, as well. Perhaps if you were to smoke pot you would become this unmotivated lump who did nothing but lay around. That does not mean everybody else would. Some of us in this world hold good jobs, work out regularly, keep good grades in school, all while enjoying the occasional joint or bowl or brownie.
Seriously, B, get over yourself. YOur shit stinks, just like everybody elses.
What an ass.
[quote]Brendan B wrote:
It took me 5 seconds to find this, and I am sure “IF” I really wanted to I could find more…
“Marijuana should be illegal for the majority of medical purposes because of the potentially dangerous side effects. Some of these side effects include lapse, or no commonsense for decision making. There have been absolutely no cases stating a person has overdosed from smoking marijuana, but there have been several documented cases that prove marijuana was the cause of death. An example of this would be, a person smokes one self made marijuana cigarette, and attempts to drive an automobile. The moment that person sits in the driver seat, they become as dangerous as a drunk driver. Another extremely dangerous side effect is the slowing down of reflexes. If a marijuana intoxicated driver were to be confronted with a foreign object on the road, it we be too late for him/her to realize the danger he has placed himself and possibly the other passengers.Those side effects could be considered miniscule to the possibility that smoking marijuana leads to harder drugs. The cold hard facts prove that marijuana is the steppingstone to harder drugs. These harder drugs include cocaine, heroin, LSD, and several others. If you were to ask current drug users what there first drug was, the most common answer would be marijuana.”
Another article states marijuana to be the cause of long term brain damage. I am certain this is what the majority of you think headed individuals are suffering from. You can make all the excuses want, ponder up all the exceptions to the rule, even snort the shit up your nose, but the real truth of the matter is you really have no clue.
[/quote]
I like how you completely “forgot” to include a link to the article you quoted. How convenient. Could it be that this article makes no use of this thing called empricial evidence. Hell, it sounds like you pulled it from James Dobson’s website. And we all know what an unimpeachable source of information he is.
You most assuredly have no clue whatsoever. I’m sure what you meant to say was “thick” headed not “think” headed.
I saw an article somewhere that said having your head up your ass can lead to brain damage. You should kick the habit, dude. We’re all here for you.
WMD
[quote]TopHeavy wrote:
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Isn’t marijuana a CNS depressant? How can something that slows the CNS possibly help out with strength or coordination? Just a thought.
Later.[/quote]
Pot is not a CNS depressant. Alcohol is a CNS depressant. Pot is a euphoriant. It has a very different effect than alcohol, which is why people report feeling “high”, not down.
There are three different types of cannabis; for our purposes only two are important to this discussion, sativa and indica. Sativa strains give an “up” high. Indica strains are more soporific or sleep inducing. The third types is the hemp people use for making clothing, paper and other products.