[quote]orion wrote:
Since when is it pot-smoking vs working out?
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Sorry. That was oversimplified. It would be more accurate to say “pot-smoking vs. the benefits of working out.” He was asking if he was limiting muscle gain due to use of marijuana.
Are we all back on the same page?
Brendan, Thanks for responding.
[quote]georgeb wrote:
Some of us can function with it, some of us can’t. I just keep it to once every couple weeks, and I do fine. As for OD’ing on it, the only way to do it is to eat too much. A friend of mine had to get her stomach pumped because she ate a few too many brownies. It is obviously not good for you, as breathing in any combusted material isn’t healthy. However, it is no equal or better than alcohol for you. Moderation is the key.
B… you need to take it easy man. Smoking pot is just a choice, just like working out is. We are still productive members of society, just like you (except we smoke pot).
Kael, if cutting back is what you want to do, then do it. Wish you luck man.[/quote]
I love how you are trying to use self-justification to make marijuana seem like it is acceptable by linking it to alcohol. The fact still remains that marijuana is illegal, and there is a respectable reason it is. I often ask myself where this world would be if the majority of the people were on marijuana. Fact is, there would be no thinkers, no achievers, and no body to elevate their performance; it would just be a bunch of druggies wasting their time, money, and lives.
[quote]Kael231 wrote:
Brendan B wrote:
Kael231 wrote:
I DO want to gain weight and be healthy, however you obviously know nothing of the statistics among crack, alcohol, cigarettes, and weed…cigarettes are responsible for over 400,000 deaths in the U.S each year. 75,000 deaths are alcohol-related. Marijuana causes approximately…no wait, exactly ZERO deaths a year, wait…I meant EVER. It hasn’t even been proven to cause any type of health hazard including lung disease and heart disease.
A buddy of mine had two of his close neighbors die last June on the same night smoking pot. I have seen what drugs do to people, what it turns them into, and how it affects their lives, and it is a road I personally do not want to go down, let alone see other people go down. It is not only a waste of time and money, it is unhealthy; and, in addition to all that, it is down right gross. Look at how many elite athletes do drugs, it is less than 1/10 of 1%. What the majority of them have in common is self-respect.
Gain self respect, and, as phony as this sounds, your heart will guide you,
B
I really do appreciate your input and what you have to say.
I don’t know if you were trying to link your friend’s neighbor’s death to pot but…sorry to say that pot isn’t what killed him, unless it was laced with coke or some other deadly drug. Maybe it could impair lung capacity over long periods of time but there is no such thing as ODing on pot and dying. The worst that could happen if you smoked the dankest of the dank is passing out and getting the best night’s sleep of your life.[/quote]
I don’t think anyone is arguing that smoking some pot every now and then is going kill you, just like drinking in moderation isn’t really that bad for you. It is the excessive smoking all day, every day that makes it a serious problem, so stop defending your behaviour with the, pot isn’t as bad for you as cigarettes or smoking, arguement. You are trying to justify something that you know is a problem for you.
Also, I’m pretty sure that I learned back in high school that smoking one joint is as bad for your lungs as smoking a pack of cigarettes due to the lack of filters. I agree with you that pot probably doesn’t cause many deaths due to lung problems, but most people do it sparingly, not every day or several times a day like you.
Having a few drinks every now and then…not a problem. Drinking a liter of Vodka every day…you are going to kill yourself.
Having a cigarette every now and then (although I don’t know why you would want to)… fine. Smoking two packs a day… lung diseases waiting to happen.
Smoke a bowl once a week…your good. Smoke every day…you know the rest.
There is no way to justify that breathing f…king smoke all day is not bad for your lungs. If you really believe that then you are probably high right now and you should write a note on the back of your hand (so you don’t forget) to read this thread again later.
[quote]Brendan B wrote:
A buddy of mine had two of his close neighbors die last June on the same night smoking pot. I have seen what drugs do to people, what it turns them into, and how it affects their lives, and it is a road I personally do not want to go down, let alone see other people go down. It is not only a waste of time and money, it is unhealthy; and, in addition to all that, it is down right gross. Look at how many elite athletes do drugs, it is less than 1/10 of 1%. What the majority of them have in common is self-respect.
Gain self respect, and, as phony as this sounds, your heart will guide you,
B
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Sorry to be the fact police, but first of all the story you heard from your friend says little if anything, as the cannabis almost certainly didn’t directly kill anyone. The LD50 of the substance is ridiculously high and it is easier to kill yourself by “over dosing” on good ol’ H2O.
Secondly, I’ve seen estimates of cannabis use in the NBA for instance running above 50%. The figures aren’t too far behind in the other major sports either. Of course, everyone likes to point to Arnold in his heyday although his applicability to the category in question debatable.
Vegita said learn to live in the grey a little, that’s where humans thrive. Sure that’s good but if someone wants to make it somewhere big into professional sports, they don’t live in the grey. When you start out you don’t live in the grey. Perhaps when your safely securily in then you can kick back and live in the grey. For the time being though, dedication to its utmost is there. Just one thing with users of pot is that, well from what I’ve seen from the population of my school is that people who smoke pot (not all of them) but most of them are pretty damn curious of what other drugs are like: shrooms, ecstacy, coke, special k, and the like. Our school is starting to be infested with e-tards and its gay. Kids sniffing coke b4 first period, in the bathroom. I think that’s one bad thing about it, you MAY get curious of what other drugs are like. Unless you can control yourself, but I guess kids in my school/town can’t lol. Sooooo maybe you’ve indulged yourself in those other drugs, maybe you haven’t. Point is CUT DOWN man, smoking that much everyday is tons. I know some people who do the exact same thing, but you can clean up just like they have.
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[quote]Brendan B wrote:
Kael231 wrote:
I DO want to gain weight and be healthy, however you obviously know nothing of the statistics among crack, alcohol, cigarettes, and weed…cigarettes are responsible for over 400,000 deaths in the U.S each year. 75,000 deaths are alcohol-related. Marijuana causes approximately…no wait, exactly ZERO deaths a year, wait…I meant EVER. It hasn’t even been proven to cause any type of health hazard including lung disease and heart disease.
A buddy of mine had two of his close neighbors die last June on the same night smoking pot. I have seen what drugs do to people, what it turns them into, and how it affects their lives, and it is a road I personally do not want to go down, let alone see other people go down. It is not only a waste of time and money, it is unhealthy; and, in addition to all that, it is down right gross. Look at how many elite athletes do drugs, it is less than 1/10 of 1%. What the majority of them have in common is self-respect.
Gain self respect, and, as phony as this sounds, your heart will guide you,
B
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They died from smoking pot? Your a fucking idiot. That is all.
[quote]Brendan B wrote:
georgeb wrote:
Some of us can function with it, some of us can’t. I just keep it to once every couple weeks, and I do fine. As for OD’ing on it, the only way to do it is to eat too much. A friend of mine had to get her stomach pumped because she ate a few too many brownies. It is obviously not good for you, as breathing in any combusted material isn’t healthy. However, it is no equal or better than alcohol for you. Moderation is the key.
B… you need to take it easy man. Smoking pot is just a choice, just like working out is. We are still productive members of society, just like you (except we smoke pot).
Kael, if cutting back is what you want to do, then do it. Wish you luck man.
I love how you are trying to use self-justification to make marijuana seem like it is acceptable by linking it to alcohol. The fact still remains that marijuana is illegal, and there is a respectable reason it is. [/quote]
You do know that alcohol was illegal at one time too right?
[quote]dl- wrote:
Vegita said learn to live in the grey a little, that’s where humans thrive. Sure that’s good but if someone wants to make it somewhere big into professional sports, they don’t live in the grey. When you start out you don’t live in the grey. Perhaps when your safely securily in then you can kick back and live in the grey. For the time being though, dedication to its utmost is there. Just one thing with users of pot is that, well from what I’ve seen from the population of my school is that people who smoke pot (not all of them) but most of them are pretty damn curious of what other drugs are like: shrooms, ecstacy, coke, special k, and the like. Our school is starting to be infested with e-tards and its gay. Kids sniffing coke b4 first period, in the bathroom. I think that’s one bad thing about it, you MAY get curious of what other drugs are like. Unless you can control yourself, but I guess kids in my school/town can’t lol. Sooooo maybe you’ve indulged yourself in those other drugs, maybe you haven’t. Point is CUT DOWN man, smoking that much everyday is tons. I know some people who do the exact same thing, but you can clean up just like they have.
dl-[/quote]
This whole post is ridiculous
Never seen a pro athelete who gets high huh–how about one of if not the best defensive player ever–L.T.
The garbage that pot smokjing leads you to other drugs is not based in any fact.
Fact is, there is no physiological proof of addiction or elevation to different or stronger drugs.
Fact is a large amount of pro atheletes are into recreational drug useage. believe it or not they mimic the general population so among them you find alcoholics and homosexuals and yes–pot smokers.
“Look at how many elite athletes do drugs, it is less than 1/10 of 1%”
Id seriously like to know what kind of athletes you are paying attention to…
[quote]Brendan B wrote:
georgeb wrote:
Some of us can function with it, some of us can’t. I just keep it to once every couple weeks, and I do fine. As for OD’ing on it, the only way to do it is to eat too much. A friend of mine had to get her stomach pumped because she ate a few too many brownies. It is obviously not good for you, as breathing in any combusted material isn’t healthy. However, it is no equal or better than alcohol for you. Moderation is the key.
B… you need to take it easy man. Smoking pot is just a choice, just like working out is. We are still productive members of society, just like you (except we smoke pot).
Kael, if cutting back is what you want to do, then do it. Wish you luck man.
I love how you are trying to use self-justification to make marijuana seem like it is acceptable by linking it to alcohol. The fact still remains that marijuana is illegal, and there is a respectable reason it is. I often ask myself where this world would be if the majority of the people were on marijuana. Fact is, there would be no thinkers, no achievers, and no body to elevate their performance; it would just be a bunch of druggies wasting their time, money, and lives.
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Marijuana is illegal because there was a very succesful lobbying effort that demonized it back in the 1920s irrespective of the fact that-though it does provide some small risks and can be a problem for some people-the health risks are greatly smaller than those with alcohol and the possibility for addiction essentially non-existant. Go to school, take a drugs and behavior class, learn something. As far as your last argument, there are a good 10 people in this years 1L class that regularly drink and smoke pot on the weekends. They are definitely thinkers, and I’m fairly confident that they’ll all be successful in every respect.
[quote]sasquatch wrote:
dl-
This whole post is ridiculous
Never seen a pro athelete who gets high huh–how about one of if not the best defensive player ever–L.T.
The garbage that pot smokjing leads you to other drugs is not based in any fact.
Fact is, there is no physiological proof of addiction or elevation to different or stronger drugs.
Fact is a large amount of pro atheletes are into recreational drug useage. believe it or not they mimic the general population so among them you find alcoholics and homosexuals and yes–pot smokers.
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Damn right, Sasquatch. If I had to hazard a guess, I’d say the percetage of pro athletes who recreationally use drugs in higher than many segements/groups of the general population. I’m not saying it’s good [it no doubt isn’t], but I believe it’s true.
To the original poster, dependance is a bad thing, even if it’s a psychological dependance. And too much pot is not healthy for many reasons, only one of which being that it may potentially compromise gains. Smoke less. If you want to, you will.
[quote]Brendan B wrote:
In my opinion, anyone that smokes anything, whether it be cigarette or crack, deserves to die. How could somebody do that shit to there body, and think nothing of it? You want to gain weight and be healthy? Quit that shit.
I have never touched a drug in my life, and I never will. I won’t even eat candy, or drink soda; I as sure as hell ain’t going to do drugs period.
Get you life together and your act,
B[/quote]
BIGGEST. DICKHEAD. EVER.
[quote]Brendan B wrote:
A buddy of mine had two of his close neighbors die last June on the same night smoking pot.
B
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Did they fall asleep and set fire to their house? Because that’s the only way I can think of that you could die from pot. Or, did a plane crash into their house, and, by chance they were smoking pot at the time?
Find me one actual documented case of someone ODing on pot alone and post the link, Brendy boy.
Come on Brendon, you can’t just make stuff up. People might notice.
Wow this thread sure did grow while I was at the gym…Everyone seems to have something helpful to say and I can’t thank you guys enough…
Zdrax, you are definately right, by making a promise to yourself like “I will never smoke pot again in my life” you would only dissapoint yourself. I’m making a more realistic goal now to cut it back to 2-3 times during the week for sleep and 1-2 times on the weekend. I know it will be tough especially having friends always talking about the “new shipment”. Some might say get a new group of friends but I’ve been around these guys for years…they are great people and 4 of them are even my workout buddies. Maybe by my initiative to cut-down, I may even have an impact on their pot-smoking lifetstyles as well…who knows.
It took me 5 seconds to find this, and I am sure “IF” I really wanted to I could find more…
“Marijuana should be illegal for the majority of medical purposes because of the potentially dangerous side effects. Some of these side effects include lapse, or no commonsense for decision making. There have been absolutely no cases stating a person has overdosed from smoking marijuana, but there have been several documented cases that prove marijuana was the cause of death. An example of this would be, a person smokes one self made marijuana cigarette, and attempts to drive an automobile. The moment that person sits in the driver seat, they become as dangerous as a drunk driver. Another extremely dangerous side effect is the slowing down of reflexes. If a marijuana intoxicated driver were to be confronted with a foreign object on the road, it we be too late for him/her to realize the danger he has placed himself and possibly the other passengers.Those side effects could be considered miniscule to the possibility that smoking marijuana leads to harder drugs. The cold hard facts prove that marijuana is the steppingstone to harder drugs. These harder drugs include cocaine, heroin, LSD, and several others. If you were to ask current drug users what there first drug was, the most common answer would be marijuana.”
Another article states marijuana to be the cause of long term brain damage. I am certain this is what the majority of you think headed individuals are suffering from. You can make all the excuses want, ponder up all the exceptions to the rule, even snort the shit up your nose, but the real truth of the matter is you really have no clue.
Wow. I am posting this without having read the entire thread, because I couldn’t finish it. These types of threads often spiral into the shitter quickly, but damn!
I am not sure if weed really hampers gains; I know many people who are potheads and are big. But weed will really screw up your respiratory system.
BUT…
Isn’t marijuana a CNS depressant? How can something that slows the CNS possibly help out with strength or coordination? Just a thought.
Everyone says that they feel more alert when high, but I doubt that they really are. If I recall right, there have been studies on drunk driving that show a decrease in reaction time, while the participants actually reported thinking that they drove better. Drugs (marijuana, alcohol, prescriptions etc) can change your perception drastically.
As for the “I’m better than you” people who have never partaken, get off your high horse. On the flip side, the “You boring wimps who don’t party are losers” people really piss me off too.
I never smoked pot. In fact, the strongest drug I’ve ever had was a friggin Vicodin! For tooth surgery! I also do not drink, but I once had a sip of champagne at a wedding. Other than that, I am clean. I don’t think that drugs or alcohol are really a good idea, but then that is my opinion. I also don’t care if others chosse to use them. I do not consider myself a superior being, as some people appear to. Not just on this thread, either.
I once had someone ask me if I used supplements, because “You don’t need that shit”. This coming from a guy that is a serious pothead. Don’t bitch about my eating and supplement habits, and I won’t bitch about your drug habits. Simple as that.
The debate over the impact of marijuana on muscle mass gains will never be accurately resolved until people quit arguing over moral standards.
Later.
[quote]Brendan B wrote:
In my opinion, anyone that smokes anything, whether it be cigarette or crack, deserves to die.
I have never touched a drug in my life, and I never will. I won’t even eat candy, or drink soda[/quote]
Then what makes you think you’re qualified to talk about the subject???
My average day I wake up, have a cup of tea, play a computer game, have a protein shake with porridge (I know, should be first thing but I’m just not hungry then!) and then go to work.
I get back mid-morning and have another cup of tea and smoke a joint. Then I check emails, do business shit for about 2hrs or so, have another protein shake and go to the gym. I get back. Eat and go to work again. I get back, eat, and smoke another joint. Then I’ll watch tv/play computer games/read/study for a few hrs, eat again and go to sleep.
The only thing I’m worried about is the damage to my lungs. Yes I’m hooked, I have been for years. I’ve never heard voices, had any episodes (apart from one time when I did too many chin ups and I thought my heart was going to beat out of my chest) and never experienced any negative side effects. I don’t think my habit is doing me too much harm compared to other things I could be doing, if you drank alcohol like I smoke weed you’d probably be dead by now.
1 thing I regret is the lack of motivation. I wonder where I’d be now if I hadn’t been smoking for so many years. I really got into it when I was 17. And hit the everyday use thing around 19/20. I’ve worked a lot of dead shit jobs, kitchen hand, security guard, office worker and never been happy. If I hadn’t been such a fan of getting baked I probably would’ve started my business a few years ago. But at least I’m doing it now (I’m 25).
The way I look at it though, a lot of ppl stay with the deadshit job for life. Even anaesthetising myself with marijuana, I couldn’t do that and completed a degree in psychology and began another in human movement.
So I don’t think it’s done me too much harm in the long term view. I’m a bit broke at the moment so I’m saving money by only buying enough for a week once a month. I definitely think a bit faster when I’m off, but tv/computer games are much less entertaining.
I will cut it out soon I think. It’s a drain on my cash and I need to get more done with my day. Also, as I get older I’m more conscious of my lungs and the risk of cancer. But I don’t think I’m a loser or deserving to die because of my habit. I don’t argue it’s a good thing, but it’s not that bad either.
[quote]Brendan B wrote:
Marijuana should be illegal for the majority of medical purposes because of the potentially dangerous side effects. Some of these side effects include lapse, or no commonsense for decision making.
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You are a complete and utter idiot. This is the stupidest thing I’ve read all week on this site. The potentially dangerous side effects include “lapse or no commonsense for decision making”. This is what you consider dangerous side effects?
Yeah, so? Don’t smoke and drive. If you take too much cold medicine your a danger behind the wheel as well.
Slower reflexes are extremely dangerous? hahahahahahaha!!!
Again, you shouldn’t drive under the influence of any drug including alcohol. The point is what???
The cold hard facts? Bwahahahahaa!!! Show me cold hard studies that this is true. Go on, prove it. Just my stating there are cold hard facts out there doesn’t make your case. Show them.
So? Were they asked if they drank in these studies or masterbated? Maybe one of those behaviors started them down the drug path. What a bunch of garbage.
We have no clue. Prove your points. Show us studies that prove marijuana causes long term brain damage. You are the biggest tool I’ve read on these forums in a long time. You make wild accusations and you don’t back them up with any facts whatsoever. Scatter off now, little troll boy.
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TopHeavy…to clear this up…Marijuana is NOT a cns depressent…it is classified under its own category as cannabis…Marijuana can’t be classified and a depressent or stimulant because it has BOTH effects…Marijuana increases heart rate, an effect of a cns stimulant, yet slows down coordination and reaction time, such as a depressent.
And to BrendenB, you do have SOME point by saying that if a person gets blazed and goes driving, can’t handle the trip and crashes, sure blame marijuana…but what you said was your friend’s neighbor died the same night they smoked marijuana…where they involved in a car accident?
And about the brain damage…there is no statistics on that…please find me the scientific study done on long term effects of marijuana causes brain damage…I will be eagerly waiting…