I agree QI is flawed, but compared to what?
Compared to taking responsibility for your actions. I work for a hospital as a behavioral health clinician. My colleagues work with the same crazy and criminal population the cops do. Nonetheless, they/we have to answer for our choices, even under pressure and in the presence of violence or the threat of it.
Compared to how anyone else that is not law enforcement is treated under the law.
If you owe zero duty to the people you are protecting beyond what they owe anyone else as non law enforcement - why do you deserve special consideration under the law?
@EmilyQ Do you believe malpractice insurance ought to be illegal? If not, why do you see it differently?
Wouldnāt that fall under the same idea of making doctors responsible for their actions?
@Bauber Do you believe ending qualified immunity would be a win for the public who is already facing difficulties finding people to do the job of law enforcement, let alone do it well?
No, it would certainly hurt that, but there are much better ways to entice Leo officers into the profession and help that situation that does not involve giving government officials free rein to whatever without personal consequences.
Like I donāt know - actually punishing people for serious crimes at a level that will negate or stop the behavior.
Stop arresting people for simple drug use.
Pay them better.
Tons of things that donāt include stomping on peopleās constitutional rights with no personal repercussions.
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Thatās why I believe it must exist in some form. You lawyers can sort out the details, but we canāt expect good men and women to rush into the most dangerous situations that materialize in our communities and perform in a way that never opens them up to a massively crippling personal lawsuit.
There has to be some protection. An LLC, if you will. Limited Liability Cop.
With respect to @EmilyQ and her colleagues, what cops are asked to do is entirely different than what mental health professionals are asked to do.
If you disagree with that notion, how comfortable would your colleagues be with letting their patients have a knife? What about letting them use meth?
finally!!! Someone who agrees w/me on sleeping on the floor. The most comfortable sleeping arrangement Iāve ever had was a wooden board on the floor of a closet
My hot take: alcohol should not be as socially acceptable as it is
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I almost think mattresses are doing to our backs what modern comfortable shoes are doing to our feet. That is, messing up the natural function.
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I am 100% in agreement with @EmilyQ on big comfy bed and stuff.
I can rough it. I have roughed it many times, but given the entire range of options, Iām absolutely going to choose the poofy pillows and stuff.
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Some kind of bedding is probably good - even animals have that. But ultra plush mattresses that I sink 6ā into are a no go.
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It would potentially benefit some businesses that pay a significant portion of insurance premiums while further obliterating small (mom and pop) businesses in order to simply shift the costs to anyone that actually pays taxes.
I like what ever it was at a Hilton I stayed at one time. It was supportive but soft. Not enveloping.
The pillows are most important. I donāt even need blankets if I have a few extra pillows to place strategically.
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Yes!!!
My neck is responsible for 90% of sleep disturbance
I have an amazing contoured pillow. Life changing
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I like the big down ones. One for knees, one huggie, one for modesty, and one for my head.
Any extras for props and whatnot are a big bonus.
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Many of the things I see covered by QI are not good men rushing into dangerous situations.
- Stealing money and coins during a warrant search.
- Slamming a small, unarmed female on the ground breaking her collar bone and sending her unconscious for walking away from an āorderā
- Releasing a dog on an unarmed man that is sitting with his hands up
- Beating an unarmed person to death for resisting
- Beating an unarmed person into brain damage for resisting
- Planting evidence to make an arrest
- Illegal searches where there is clearly ZERO probably cause
Yes, if you are coming into an active shooter situation or a very dangerous situation with a murderer or armed person, leeway should be given when decisions are made.
But, as a citizen if I were to make those same decisions trying to help - I am getting sued personally.
And cops have the same legal duty as I do to help anyone - none.
Remove the de facto qualified immunity from the politicians, DAs, and judges first. The idea that the lower you go on the totem pole, the more you are at risk personally and professionally, is absurd. Accountability needs to start at the top. Getting rid of QI is just another way for those who create and interpret policy to avoid responsibility for their poor and self serving decisions.
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Removing it would remove it from them as well as they fall under it just like LEO or any other government official.
100% start sending politicians, DAās, and judges to jail and open them to civil liability like that idiot Governor in New Mexico.
Thatās interesting as the argument seems to focus on the police. But if what youāre saying is true, and I donāt doubt you, then we know why it will never be removed.
It usually focuses on police due to the nature of their interactions, but it covers all government officials.
Have you been to an emergency department recently? There is a sign at the door noting that weapons are not allowed, but some criminals arenāt as respectful of signage as weād like. Meth is every day in the ED. The inpatient psych unit is similarly unpredictable in terms of crazy and violent, as well as drugged prior to detox. I referenced my colleagues rather than myself because outpatient therapy is not the same.
Edit: unless it is, because it does happen. We are trained to shuffle backward while using our ālong bonesā to protect ourselves.
Malpractice insurance shields me in the event of an unwanted patient outcome (suicide during treatment for depression, for instance). It will not shield me from the consequences of criminal or even unethical behavior, e.g having sex with someone who then suicides.