Porn Addiction

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
Interesting no?

What would you say to some of these ultra obese people who have a food addiction?

They literally have to indulge in their addiction a little bit everyday just to stay alive.

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I’d say they’re fucked! I’d like to qualify what I’m about to write by saying that I don’t know if food addiction works the same way as porn addiction.

Ok.

You could also say that for a porn addict, going online is the equivalent of an alcoholic walking in to bar: non-alcoholic drinks are available but you know there’s a bottle of scotch with your name on it, too. It would take a lot of self control to order a a cranberry juice EVERY TIME.

This is where a lot of guys who are giving up porn choose to install some sort of filter on their computer, meaning that adult content is unavailable to them.

For the ultra-obese, a “content filter” could be the equivalent of getting their stomach stapled. This would stop them from having access to their hit while allowing their brain the time to “rewire”, and the individual in question to receive education on proper eating habits, etc. while reinforcing positive neural pathways (i.e. reward circuitry responding to broccoli).

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[quote]Diddy Ryder wrote:

For the ultra-obese, a “content filter” could be the equivalent of getting their stomach stapled. This would stop them from having access to their hit while allowing their brain the time to “rewire”, and the individual in question to receive education on proper eating habits, etc. while reinforcing positive neural pathways (i.e. reward circuitry responding to broccoli).

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Sounds logical doesn’t it?

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[quote]Diddy Ryder wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
Interesting no?

What would you say to some of these ultra obese people who have a food addiction?

They literally have to indulge in their addiction a little bit everyday just to stay alive.

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I’d say they’re fucked! I’d like to qualify what I’m about to write by saying that I don’t know if food addiction works the same way as porn addiction.

Ok.

You could also say that for a porn addict, going online is the equivalent of an alcoholic walking in to bar: non-alcoholic drinks are available but you know there’s a bottle of scotch with your name on it, too. It would take a lot of self control to order a a cranberry juice EVERY TIME.

This is where a lot of guys who are giving up porn choose to install some sort of filter on their computer, meaning that adult content is unavailable to them.

For the ultra-obese, a “content filter” could be the equivalent of getting their stomach stapled. This would stop them from having access to their hit while allowing their brain the time to “rewire”, and the individual in question to receive education on proper eating habits, etc. while reinforcing positive neural pathways (i.e. reward circuitry responding to broccoli).

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someone who goes from 300 lbs to 200lbs (losing fat) should be able to have the willpower to allow themselves a cheat meal every so often, as many people obviously do. Why shouldnt someone who once considered themselves “addicted” to porn be able to have the will power to also indulge infrequently and not fall back into old habits?

Seems to me it just depends on the individual

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[quote]Spock81 wrote:

[quote]on edge wrote:
Oh, now i remember, you masturbated yourself with a guys hand before. Is that the only orgasm you’ve had with a guy?[/quote]

Oh ya! That was awesome, but I never got an orgasm from that :S.

OMGOMGOMG I AM BROKEN!!

Maybe it’s not a vibrator thing, maybe it’s an ANthony Kiedis thing or something.

Ilovehimsomuch.

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Don’t worry you’re not broken. If you can have one by yourself you just need to meet a guy who’s all in and you’ll be fine.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

Why go out on Saturday night to talk to the ladies when they are a mixed bag in terms of looks, require hours of courting with no guarantee of sex when you can stay home and rub one out to some of the hottest women you’ve ever seen and then play with your shiny apple products afterwards?

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Because watching and whacking to porn is no substitute for actual sex.

If it is - then that person is fucked up. And I agree with Matt - same shit man - I’m 46, never had an erectile problem in my life, have great sex with my wife, we watch porn together (and critique the scenes and laugh our asses off) and I watch porn (and whack to it) alone. I’ve watched porn all my adult life and had plenty of normal relationships with different women.

Not a problem, never was. But - what’s important here is the fact that, depending on the individual situation, it COULD be a BIG problem.

I think, personally what I see is kids today having access to a hundred thumbnail porn sites with THOUSANDS of videos depicting the nastiest, kinkiest sex imaginable any time of the day or night. Now, when I was 13 years old if you had a Playboy and whacked it to some tits you were doing ok - lol. Then onto Hustler, hardcore stuff and eventually porn on VHS. But it was a more natural progression to the serious shit - kids today are BOMBARDED with freaky 20 guy gangbangs and DP, threesomes…etc…man it’s a LOT for an inexperienced kid to handle. Will almost certainly lead to some issues regarding what’s realistic for a safe, sane individual.

And I think all Cortes is trying to say is that it COULD be a problem. He’s not saying that everyone who watches porn will be addicted, he’s just saying that it HAS to be taken into consideration that the potential for damage is there - and who would disagree with that?

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[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
What if i watch people fucking in real life?

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Then it would be the difference between going to the movies or going to see a Broadway show… lol…

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[quote]SkyNett wrote:
And I think all Cortes is trying to say is that it COULD be a problem. He’s not saying that everyone who watches porn will be addicted, he’s just saying that it HAS to be taken into consideration that the potential for damage is there - and who would disagree with that? [/quote]

I was under the impression Cortes was saying that masturbating to porn is bad period. If not, then like you say it’s hard to see where the argument would be.

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[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]SkyNett wrote:
And I think all Cortes is trying to say is that it COULD be a problem. He’s not saying that everyone who watches porn will be addicted, he’s just saying that it HAS to be taken into consideration that the potential for damage is there - and who would disagree with that? [/quote]

I was under the impression Cortes was saying that masturbating to porn is bad period. If not, then like you say it’s hard to see where the argument would be.[/quote]

Well Deb if it’s bad - then I don’t wanna be good!!! Lol…

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Diddy Ryder wrote:

For the ultra-obese, a “content filter” could be the equivalent of getting their stomach stapled. This would stop them from having access to their hit while allowing their brain the time to “rewire”, and the individual in question to receive education on proper eating habits, etc. while reinforcing positive neural pathways (i.e. reward circuitry responding to broccoli).

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Sounds logical doesn’t it?

Yeah, I remember that thread. I was actually going to edit my last post to say that the most important thing is a genuine desire to change. If you out-eat a gastric band to the point of death then you don’t really want to change quite enough.

But anyway, this is about porn.

As has been mentioned earlier in this thread, the key to understanding porn addiction is the novelty (or Coolidge) effect. This is when your libido receives a boost for a new partner, even if it has already reached satiety. For the sake of reproduction, it will perk up, and a sexually fatigued individual is able to go again with a new partner.

Now, your primitive brain is unable to distinguish between a real partner and one on a PC screen, so will keep on getting it up long after you have satisfied your natural libido. Heavy porn users literally out-wank their libido, which in turn affects their body chemistry.

This is the real problem with porn. The endless novelty proves to be too much for your reward system and you become desensitised as your dopamine receptors are overwhelmed.

Watch the video on yourbrainonporn.com for a better explanation (although the guy’s voice is very dull… I fell asleep watching it for the first time).

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[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

someone who goes from 300 lbs to 200lbs (losing fat) should be able to have the willpower to allow themselves a cheat meal every so often, as many people obviously do. Why shouldnt someone who once considered themselves “addicted” to porn be able to have the will power to also indulge infrequently and not fall back into old habits?

Seems to me it just depends on the individual
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Maybe people like that do exist. But by this logic, a recovering alcoholic should be able to have a shot of tequila every now and then and not fall off the wagon.

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[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]Diddy Ryder wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:

[quote]heavythrower wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Man it sure as hell seems that anyone disagreeing with the point of view that pornography is not as damaging as they believe it to be gets stonewalled and labeled as someone that will not intelligently debate the topic.

I watch porn, and masturbate to it a few times a week, I have sex with my wife often, I masturbate to my wife often, I masturbate w/o porn often. I watch porn with my wife once in a while, we have a healthy sex life. Porn has been part of my normal behavior since I was 13. I understand what is fantasy and what should be left as so, I understand that porn isn’t reality and treat it as so.

I understand that too much of anything may lead to adverse reactions. Including having no sexual outlet at all, before marriage I have had some sexual dry spells, and I thank god I was able to masturbate to porn and to my imagination because without it I was an asshole.

Why does everything have to be so cut and dry, not much in life is. [/quote]

no non no nooo, my dear matty, you do not understand how the world works my friends. drugs_BAD
porn-BAD
guns-BAD
global warming - TRUE and BAD
i could go on and on…

there are just some things that are just NOT up for debate. you are an addict and in denial. admit it, we can help you.

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lmao!!!

Some people try and take all the fun away! Next thing you know fucking will be outlawed. It’s too dangerous!
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Hello my name is Matthew and I am a addict.
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I might as well put my name in that hat then cause i agree with pretty much everything you said.

If you can lead a normal/healthy sex life, regardless of jerkin it to porn a few times a week, then have at it.

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That’s exactly the point. If you can look at porn and lead a normal sex life, you don’t have a problem.

But when you can function normally to porn and have trouble leading a normal sex life (ED, PE, etc.), it means that you have caused changes to your brain’s circuitry, and that you have a porno addiction.

It’s worth noting that guys who got their start on porn before the rise of the internet are far less susceptible to porn addiction, as are guys who had sexual experience before starting heavy porn use. This is because their brains are “wired” to real women, and less dopamine intense forms of porn.
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But there are people basically saying ANY porn watching is bad, that there are only negative effects to come from watching porn. I dont see it that way. In fact if it werent for porn, my sex life would probably be nowhere near as good as it is. [/quote]

I’ve said about 16 times now that this was the answer to a question I was asked that was my personal opinion. It is not the issue at hand. I’ve also clarified this point multiple times now to one after another like you. You are one more poster in a string of posters who either lacks reading comprehension ability or who really isn’t interested in what’s being said at all.

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[quote]SkyNett wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

Why go out on Saturday night to talk to the ladies when they are a mixed bag in terms of looks, require hours of courting with no guarantee of sex when you can stay home and rub one out to some of the hottest women you’ve ever seen and then play with your shiny apple products afterwards?

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Because watching and whacking to porn is no substitute for actual sex.

If it is - then that person is fucked up. And I agree with Matt - same shit man - I’m 46, never had an erectile problem in my life, have great sex with my wife, we watch porn together (and critique the scenes and laugh our asses off) and I watch porn (and whack to it) alone. I’ve watched porn all my adult life and had plenty of normal relationships with different women.

Not a problem, never was. But - what’s important here is the fact that, depending on the individual situation, it COULD be a BIG problem.

I think, personally what I see is kids today having access to a hundred thumbnail porn sites with THOUSANDS of videos depicting the nastiest, kinkiest sex imaginable any time of the day or night. Now, when I was 13 years old if you had a Playboy and whacked it to some tits you were doing ok - lol. Then onto Hustler, hardcore stuff and eventually porn on VHS. But it was a more natural progression to the serious shit - kids today are BOMBARDED with freaky 20 guy gangbangs and DP, threesomes…etc…man it’s a LOT for an inexperienced kid to handle. Will almost certainly lead to some issues regarding what’s realistic for a safe, sane individual.

And I think all Cortes is trying to say is that it COULD be a problem. He’s not saying that everyone who watches porn will be addicted, he’s just saying that it HAS to be taken into consideration that the potential for damage is there - and who would disagree with that? [/quote]

SkyNett gets it. Thank you. Exactly.

I should shut my mouth because some T-Nation posters didn’t fuck themselves up so no one will?

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[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]conservativedog wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
I cant leave my house without watching 6 hours of brutal facefucking videos[/quote]

Yer a dude right?[/quote]

Who knows man? Who really knows?
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And you help the mentally ill or just the ones crazy enough to let you?

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[quote]Diddy Ryder wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
Interesting no?

What would you say to some of these ultra obese people who have a food addiction?

They literally have to indulge in their addiction a little bit everyday just to stay alive.

[/quote]

This is where a lot of guys who are giving up porn choose to install some sort of filter on their computer, meaning that adult content is unavailable to them.[/quote]

Whatman makes a syringeless filter.

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I’ve jumped on the no PMO train earlier this month due to a long drought i’m having. Even though I haven’t met anyone yet, I still feel some positive changes from abstaining from PMO. Porn has caused numerous problems for my relationships through out the years but I continued to look at it. The first time I had sex I had ED and just blamed it on a late night. Then it happened again, just blamed it on the booze.

Finally 12 years later I figured out it was my porn habit that has caused my ED. So far the confidence gains and the increased motivation from quitting PMO has been worth it a lone.

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[quote]conservativedog wrote:

[quote]Diddy Ryder wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
Interesting no?

What would you say to some of these ultra obese people who have a food addiction?

They literally have to indulge in their addiction a little bit everyday just to stay alive.

[/quote]

This is where a lot of guys who are giving up porn choose to install some sort of filter on their computer, meaning that adult content is unavailable to them.[/quote]

Whatman makes a syringeless filter.
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Thanks a lot, dude. You just set me back six steps!

(^=~)

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[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]SkyNett wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

Why go out on Saturday night to talk to the ladies when they are a mixed bag in terms of looks, require hours of courting with no guarantee of sex when you can stay home and rub one out to some of the hottest women you’ve ever seen and then play with your shiny apple products afterwards?

[/quote]

Because watching and whacking to porn is no substitute for actual sex.

If it is - then that person is fucked up. And I agree with Matt - same shit man - I’m 46, never had an erectile problem in my life, have great sex with my wife, we watch porn together (and critique the scenes and laugh our asses off) and I watch porn (and whack to it) alone. I’ve watched porn all my adult life and had plenty of normal relationships with different women.

Not a problem, never was. But - what’s important here is the fact that, depending on the individual situation, it COULD be a BIG problem.

I think, personally what I see is kids today having access to a hundred thumbnail porn sites with THOUSANDS of videos depicting the nastiest, kinkiest sex imaginable any time of the day or night. Now, when I was 13 years old if you had a Playboy and whacked it to some tits you were doing ok - lol. Then onto Hustler, hardcore stuff and eventually porn on VHS. But it was a more natural progression to the serious shit - kids today are BOMBARDED with freaky 20 guy gangbangs and DP, threesomes…etc…man it’s a LOT for an inexperienced kid to handle. Will almost certainly lead to some issues regarding what’s realistic for a safe, sane individual.

And I think all Cortes is trying to say is that it COULD be a problem. He’s not saying that everyone who watches porn will be addicted, he’s just saying that it HAS to be taken into consideration that the potential for damage is there - and who would disagree with that? [/quote]

SkyNett gets it. Thank you. Exactly.

I should shut my mouth because some T-Nation posters didn’t fuck themselves up so no one will?
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Im not sure if this is directed at me, but I will respond anyway, the way I took it was there were some posters (Cstratton I believe) that made it seem that porn is like Crack and once you bang one out you are addicted and it will have some sort of negative effect.

Skynett does get it, he absolutely does, and he agrees with me so we are all kinda on the same page.

Diddy Rider makes some very interesting points, the quick access to porn and the instant gratification aspect is where the main issue is nowadays especially with the generation that grew up on internet porn.

I grew up on magazines and watching my dads porn as well as WHT Black Cat Theater, or trying to unscramble some boobs on a station I didn’t get. There was a real excitement to just getting your hands on a penthouse and hiding it in my pillow case with a flashlight.

That era is gone, and I definitely see where a person could fall into some real bad habits and ruin their lives because of it. I also believe that there has to be a precursor to why it happens to an individual in the first place, IMO somethings lacking from the beginning. Sure it can turn some people into addicts but I feel the individuals that become addicts are by and large suffering from some preexisting issues to begin with

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[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]SkyNett wrote:
And I think all Cortes is trying to say is that it COULD be a problem. He’s not saying that everyone who watches porn will be addicted, he’s just saying that it HAS to be taken into consideration that the potential for damage is there - and who would disagree with that? [/quote]

I was under the impression Cortes was saying that masturbating to porn is bad period. If not, then like you say it’s hard to see where the argument would be.[/quote]

That’s a personal belief of mine. One that was not offered but elicited by request.

In the context of this thread I am arguing about a particular kind of addiction and desensitization that appears to result from a particular kind of porn, both of which are novel modern day phenomena which we as humans are dealing with for the first time in our history as a species.

Can this please be the last time I have to type this?

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In the spirit of this thread, what is the weirdest crap you came across and still found mildly stimulating?