Porn Addiction

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[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]SkyNett wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

Why go out on Saturday night to talk to the ladies when they are a mixed bag in terms of looks, require hours of courting with no guarantee of sex when you can stay home and rub one out to some of the hottest women you’ve ever seen and then play with your shiny apple products afterwards?

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Because watching and whacking to porn is no substitute for actual sex.

If it is - then that person is fucked up. And I agree with Matt - same shit man - I’m 46, never had an erectile problem in my life, have great sex with my wife, we watch porn together (and critique the scenes and laugh our asses off) and I watch porn (and whack to it) alone. I’ve watched porn all my adult life and had plenty of normal relationships with different women.

Not a problem, never was. But - what’s important here is the fact that, depending on the individual situation, it COULD be a BIG problem.

I think, personally what I see is kids today having access to a hundred thumbnail porn sites with THOUSANDS of videos depicting the nastiest, kinkiest sex imaginable any time of the day or night. Now, when I was 13 years old if you had a Playboy and whacked it to some tits you were doing ok - lol. Then onto Hustler, hardcore stuff and eventually porn on VHS. But it was a more natural progression to the serious shit - kids today are BOMBARDED with freaky 20 guy gangbangs and DP, threesomes…etc…man it’s a LOT for an inexperienced kid to handle. Will almost certainly lead to some issues regarding what’s realistic for a safe, sane individual.

And I think all Cortes is trying to say is that it COULD be a problem. He’s not saying that everyone who watches porn will be addicted, he’s just saying that it HAS to be taken into consideration that the potential for damage is there - and who would disagree with that? [/quote]

SkyNett gets it. Thank you. Exactly.

I should shut my mouth because some T-Nation posters didn’t fuck themselves up so no one will?
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Im not sure if this is directed at me, but I will respond anyway, the way I took it was there were some posters (Cstratton I believe) that made it seem that porn is like Crack and once you bang one out you are addicted and it will have some sort of negative effect.

Skynett does get it, he absolutely does, and he agrees with me so we are all kinda on the same page.

Diddy Rider makes some very interesting points, the quick access to porn and the instant gratification aspect is where the main issue is nowadays especially with the generation that grew up on internet porn.

I grew up on magazines and watching my dads porn as well as WHT Black Cat Theater, or trying to unscramble some boobs on a station I didn’t get. There was a real excitement to just getting your hands on a penthouse and hiding it in my pillow case with a flashlight.

That era is gone, and I definitely see where a person could fall into some real bad habits and ruin their lives because of it. I also believe that there has to be a precursor to why it happens to an individual in the first place, IMO somethings lacking from the beginning. Sure it can turn some people into addicts but I feel the individuals that become addicts are by and large suffering from some preexisting issues to begin with[/quote]

It was not directed at you, Matty, it was in response to one of those “some people here are saying” comments that has inevitably been followed by something no one here is saying.

See my post above. It does sound like we probably agree with more than we disagree with.

Also, as someone with more than a little experience with addiction, I will add that I do believe there are certain people who are more inclined to addictive behavior than others. I don’t even think this is necessarily a bad quality. It can be an extremely powerful trait, in fact, when one channels that energy, desire, passion, focus and concentration upon wholesome creative objects. I do not think that all who become addicted have something necessarily “wrong” with them, though certainly some do. Many people who become addicted just had the misfortune of allowing themselves to get a little too deep into something that ought not be abused. My aim here is to warn those with the same inclinations as mine and others who may be on that road or want to get off that this thing exists, has an explanation, is real, and dangerous, but that it is also fixable.

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amputee porn…it was fucked up but it kinda turned me on lol

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[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]SkyNett wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

Why go out on Saturday night to talk to the ladies when they are a mixed bag in terms of looks, require hours of courting with no guarantee of sex when you can stay home and rub one out to some of the hottest women you’ve ever seen and then play with your shiny apple products afterwards?

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Because watching and whacking to porn is no substitute for actual sex.

If it is - then that person is fucked up. And I agree with Matt - same shit man - I’m 46, never had an erectile problem in my life, have great sex with my wife, we watch porn together (and critique the scenes and laugh our asses off) and I watch porn (and whack to it) alone. I’ve watched porn all my adult life and had plenty of normal relationships with different women.

Not a problem, never was. But - what’s important here is the fact that, depending on the individual situation, it COULD be a BIG problem.

I think, personally what I see is kids today having access to a hundred thumbnail porn sites with THOUSANDS of videos depicting the nastiest, kinkiest sex imaginable any time of the day or night. Now, when I was 13 years old if you had a Playboy and whacked it to some tits you were doing ok - lol. Then onto Hustler, hardcore stuff and eventually porn on VHS. But it was a more natural progression to the serious shit - kids today are BOMBARDED with freaky 20 guy gangbangs and DP, threesomes…etc…man it’s a LOT for an inexperienced kid to handle. Will almost certainly lead to some issues regarding what’s realistic for a safe, sane individual.

And I think all Cortes is trying to say is that it COULD be a problem. He’s not saying that everyone who watches porn will be addicted, he’s just saying that it HAS to be taken into consideration that the potential for damage is there - and who would disagree with that? [/quote]

SkyNett gets it. Thank you. Exactly.

I should shut my mouth because some T-Nation posters didn’t fuck themselves up so no one will?
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Im not sure if this is directed at me, but I will respond anyway, the way I took it was there were some posters (Cstratton I believe) that made it seem that porn is like Crack and once you bang one out you are addicted and it will have some sort of negative effect.

Skynett does get it, he absolutely does, and he agrees with me so we are all kinda on the same page.

Diddy Rider makes some very interesting points, the quick access to porn and the instant gratification aspect is where the main issue is nowadays especially with the generation that grew up on internet porn.

I grew up on magazines and watching my dads porn as well as WHT Black Cat Theater, or trying to unscramble some boobs on a station I didn’t get. There was a real excitement to just getting your hands on a penthouse and hiding it in my pillow case with a flashlight.

That era is gone, and I definitely see where a person could fall into some real bad habits and ruin their lives because of it. I also believe that there has to be a precursor to why it happens to an individual in the first place, IMO somethings lacking from the beginning. Sure it can turn some people into addicts but I feel the individuals that become addicts are by and large suffering from some preexisting issues to begin with[/quote]

It was not directed at you, Matty, it was in response to one of those “some people here are saying” comments that has inevitably been followed by something no one here is saying.

See my post above. It does sound like we probably agree with more than we disagree with.

Also, as someone with more than a little experience with addiction, I will add that I do believe there are certain people who are more inclined to addictive behavior than others. I don’t even think this is necessarily a bad quality. It can be an extremely powerful trait, in fact, when one channels that energy, desire, passion, focus and concentration upon wholesome creative objects. I do not think that all who become addicted have something necessarily “wrong” with them, though certainly some do. Many people who become addicted just had the misfortune of allowing themselves to get a little too deep into something that ought not be abused. My aim here is to warn those with the same inclinations as mine and others who may be on that road or want to get off that this thing exists, has an explanation, is real, and dangerous, but that it is also fixable. [/quote]

True Speak bro, lifting weights in whatever fashion you choose is a definite addiction of mine that I have harnessed into something positive.

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This needs to be here.

“Brazilian fart porn”

Amputees, eh? Never watched that.

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Yea - it really is the immediate access to the kinkiest sex imaginable that makes the difference.

What the hell is a 13 year old boy going to think when he sees hundreds of hours of that shit? I mean - you’re going from zero to sixty instantly. There’s no natural progression, or step-wise initiation into sexual behavior.

I mean, I have no problem with consenting adults engaging in whatever they want - hell, I’m a dirty motherfucker myself…lol…within reason of course. But a kid with no sexual experience seeing the kind of stuff that’s available today (as Cortes said, this is unprecedented) - man that can be a recipe for a variety of BIG problems…

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[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:
Anyone who thinks porn is healthy or that it does not or can not become an ENORMOUS problem or addiction on par with any drug is dangerously misinformed.

The science and thousands, probably more like millions of case studies say otherwise. It is extremely unhealthy.

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Are you saying ANY amount of porn is unhealthy?[/quote]

Is ANY amount of cocaine healthy? [/quote]

That’s a loaded question because one could argue that “healthy” is very subjective.

Cocaine in low doses has medicinal benefits to a number of health issues.

The problem I have with the video in the OP is not the presentation which is fine, it’s that so many people have misinterpreted what the presentation is about. It’s not addressing porn as “bad” it’s addressing porn ADDICTION.

Plenty of people consume alcohol socially without a problem. Plenty of other people have an alcohol addiction and it causes terrible problems in their life and health. This doesn’t mean alcohol in and of itself is “bad”.

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Great series of posts by Cortes (and some others) - and yes we’re talking about porn ADDICTION not porn USE as being harmful.

But it’s a pretty slippery slope from one to the other - at least for those like me with addictive personalities.

I’ve had to pull myself (pun intended?) out of that addiction a couple of times and it’s a bitch.

A friend of mine finally got himself clean off heroin, cigarettes and porn (well he still smokes the odd cigarette but we’ll let that slide) - he swears that porn was the hardest.

Porn ADDICTION is not feeling horny a few times a week and rubbing one out.

Porn ADDICTION is feeling your whole body craving the next ‘hit’ (ie, dopamine) from the new level of hardcore shit out there - because the vanilla stuff does nothing for you anymore. Your brain and entire physiology is crying out for that stuff - to the point you can’t function in other areas of your life. It’s locking yourself in front of your computer and ‘edging’ (ie, bring yourself to the point of cumming, but stopping short of actually doing so) over and over again for hours. It’s turning down sex with a real flesh-and-blood woman because that doesn’t quite feel as good as multiple tabs each showing dozens of fake women getting reaming from every position imaginable. And feeling absolute shit about yourself afterwards - and at the same time utterly powerless to quit.

I’ve achieved quite a lot of challenging stuff in my life, personally and professionally, and to this day I count overcoming that addiction as the hardest thing I’ve ever done.

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[quote]SkyNett wrote:
Yea - it really is the immediate access to the kinkiest sex imaginable that makes the difference.

What the hell is a 13 year old boy going to think when he sees hundreds of hours of that shit? I mean - you’re going from zero to sixty instantly. There’s no natural progression, or step-wise initiation into sexual behavior.

I mean, I have no problem with consenting adults engaging in whatever they want - hell, I’m a dirty motherfucker myself…lol…within reason of course. But a kid with no sexual experience seeing the kind of stuff that’s available today (as Cortes said, this is unprecedented) - man that can be a recipe for a variety of BIG problems…[/quote]

Everything you said just came out your ass

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[quote]MattyXL wrote:
amputee porn…it was fucked up but it kinda turned me on lol[/quote]

Matt, I somehow came across a pic of this beautiful and nude woman not too long ago, who had all four limbs amputated, sewn, and laying in a bed… Well, it kind of freaked me out a little.

I Googled her again after seeing your post…

…yeah… still freaks me out.

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[quote]justrob wrote:
But it’s a pretty slippery slope from one to the other - at least for those like me with addictive personalities.
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I think the problem with most discussion of addiction is that it is often missing the second part of your statement. We talk about addiction problems in terms of the object of the addiction and not in terms of the person who suffers from it. I think this places the burden of the addiction on the object which doesn’t make sense because most of us manage just fine in moderation–at least when it comes to non physical dependencies like porn, gambling and alcohol.

Porn presents some issues for sure but it is not the cause of addiction–an addictive person is.

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[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]justrob wrote:
But it’s a pretty slippery slope from one to the other - at least for those like me with addictive personalities.
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I think the problem with most discussion of addiction is that it is often missing the second part of your statement. We talk about addiction problems in terms of the object of the addiction and not in terms of the person who suffers from it. I think this places the burden of the addiction on the object which doesn’t make sense because most of us manage just fine in moderation–at least when it comes to non physical dependencies like porn, gambling and alcohol.

Porn presents some issues for sure but it is not the cause of addiction–an addictive person is.
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YES!

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I can’t even watch internet porn anymore. I’d rather bang the shit out of my girlfriend. She’s a milf.

edit: I mean “make love” lol

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[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]justrob wrote:
But it’s a pretty slippery slope from one to the other - at least for those like me with addictive personalities.
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I think the problem with most discussion of addiction is that it is often missing the second part of your statement. We talk about addiction problems in terms of the object of the addiction and not in terms of the person who suffers from it. I think this places the burden of the addiction on the object which doesn’t make sense because most of us manage just fine in moderation–at least when it comes to non physical dependencies like porn, gambling and alcohol.

Porn presents some issues for sure but it is not the cause of addiction–an addictive person is.
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Which is also why for me right now there is no such thing as “moderation” in my porn consumption - it has to be ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Because the way my brain is wired, it’s either nothing or all-out binging. How do I know? Through literally hundreds of failed attempts to get clean over many years, by attempting to “wean” myself off. Or going clean for a few days, believing I’m in the clear, allowing myself a “harmless little peek” and - BANG - being back right into the throes of the addiction again. A depressing cycle let me tell ya.

Interestingly though, addictive personalities run along my mother’s side of the family - but each afflicted family member has their own particular poison and is not addicted to more than one thing.

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[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:
Anyone who thinks porn is healthy or that it does not or can not become an ENORMOUS problem or addiction on par with any drug is dangerously misinformed.

The science and thousands, probably more like millions of case studies say otherwise. It is extremely unhealthy.

[/quote]
Are you saying ANY amount of porn is unhealthy?[/quote]

Is ANY amount of cocaine healthy? [/quote]

That’s a loaded question because one could argue that “healthy” is very subjective.

Cocaine in low doses has medicinal benefits to a number of health issues.

The problem I have with the video in the OP is not the presentation which is fine, it’s that so many people have misinterpreted what the presentation is about. It’s not addressing porn as “bad” it’s addressing porn ADDICTION.

Plenty of people consume alcohol socially without a problem. Plenty of other people have an alcohol addiction and it causes terrible problems in their life and health. This doesn’t mean alcohol in and of itself is “bad”.
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I don’t care. It isn’t the point. We’re not talking about this zombie side comment any more.

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Thanks justrob, for contributing some excellent posts.

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[quote]MangoMan305 wrote:

Everything you said just came out your ass
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Well, clearly at 22 years old you’ve completed your Phd in Clinical Psychology (with a specialization in porn addiction of course)and can provide us with a myriad of peer reviewed studies (published in actual medical journals) you’ve completed regarding this subject matter.

I hope you’ll include brain scans of teenage boys with comparison to say, 30 years ago so you can definitively make the official diagnosis of “talking out one’s ass”. I’m sure that’s in the ICD-9 book you’re undoubtedly completely familiar with.

Looking forward to your info!

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[quote]SkyNett wrote:
Yea - it really is the immediate access to the kinkiest sex imaginable that makes the difference.

What the hell is a 13 year old boy going to think when he sees hundreds of hours of that shit? I mean - you’re going from zero to sixty instantly. There’s no natural progression, or step-wise initiation into sexual behavior.

I mean, I have no problem with consenting adults engaging in whatever they want - hell, I’m a dirty motherfucker myself…lol…within reason of course. But a kid with no sexual experience seeing the kind of stuff that’s available today (as Cortes said, this is unprecedented) - man that can be a recipe for a variety of BIG problems…[/quote]

What the hell is a 13 year old boy going to think when he sees hundreds of hours of death and gore? I mean - your going from zero to sixty instantly. There’s no natural progression, or step-wise initiation into violence.

But a kid with no experience of violence seeing that kind of stuff that’s available today - man that can be a recipe for a variety of BIG problems

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[quote]SkyNett wrote:

[quote]MangoMan305 wrote:

Everything you said just came out your ass
[/quote]

Well, clearly at 22 years old you’ve completed your Phd in Clinical Psychology (with a specialization in porn addiction of course)and can provide us with a myriad of peer reviewed studies (published in actual medical journals) you’ve completed regarding this subject matter.

I hope you’ll include brain scans of teenage boys with comparison to say, 30 years ago so you can definitively make the official diagnosis of “talking out one’s ass”. I’m sure that’s in the ICD-9 book you’re undoubtedly completely familiar with.

Looking forward to your info! [/quote]

Congrats on your studies.

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[quote]SkyNett wrote:

[quote]MangoMan305 wrote:

Everything you said just came out your ass
[/quote]

Well, clearly at 22 years old you’ve completed your Phd in Clinical Psychology (with a specialization in porn addiction of course)and can provide us with a myriad of peer reviewed studies (published in actual medical journals) you’ve completed regarding this subject matter.

I hope you’ll include brain scans of teenage boys with comparison to say, 30 years ago so you can definitively make the official diagnosis of “talking out one’s ass”. I’m sure that’s in the ICD-9 book you’re undoubtedly completely familiar with.

Looking forward to your info! [/quote]

Actually to an extent it’s been very well researched, just under the term “Internet addiction” because they have never specified for porn alone… But a very high number of those addicts were on porn sites… Also seeing how porn and social networking is the most used feature in Internet access… Why do you need such evidence to know it simply causes problems?? Can’t people just use intuition and a bit of common knowledge…

Not saying you are wrong in your questions but for this case you have people who had a problem, by the thousands… Some of them start giving up the porn and low and behold look how much better they feel? You don’t have to agree with the research but the fact is people are getting their lives back because of the help so why bash it?