Poor Hip-Hop

Yes exactly in THIS case. How does Nas know what Fox likes? How does he know what black men Fox loves. Do I know which Jewish people the NY Times loves? Actually my guess is the anti-war Jewish liberals but I don’t speak for all Jews. Again, I never said Nas can’t comment on certain things. I question the things he CHOOSES to rap about and the ones he doesn’t choose. And yes and the money issue I raised because Nas whines how “you will never be free in AMerica” but if there were daily terrorist bombings and he was hiding under his expensive tables, he would realize how free he actually is, making the amount of money he makes and openly expressing the things he does because in North Korea and other such places, you can’t.

I am not acting like they are aren’t a big deal. I am making observations and yes social status does to some degree dicatate how people are treated. If there weren’t opportunities in America for ALL people, then there would be no Nas the rapper, there would be no Professor X the hyooge dentist who gives great advice on eating and training, there would be no Oprah, there would be no Obama presidential candidate. Yes racism exists and I NEVER EVER EVER support it. This country is not perfect but it is far better than it used to be. But according to Nas, is it?

Nope. Never said that (regarding bank account).

There can be discourse IF you also acknowldge that there are opportunities as well as blacks who are treated well in this country. This country has made mistakes, but it has righted those wrongs. It is not perfect but compared to Rwanda, Somalia, etc, Nas doesn’t know what free is.

But where are the rappers rapping about how they appreciate military, how they despise the terrorist tactics, how they despise statements made by other political channels. Where are the rappers commenting how they respect the policemen and firemen?

I didn’t say the whole album. Where is one song or better yet, how about a verse? Actually an album cover with a a soldier shooting a taliban militant would be hot AND original.

I am happy. I would be happier if you could tell me how to get to 230 lbs because I am very close. Seriously, yes it is important to speak of injustice and racism but if the public doesn’t know positive change is taking place because of media bias, their reluctance to mention it and rappers having a biased political chip on their shoulder… is that fair? Is that fair to the people who do serve the community? What is the message when all policeman hear is negative? When all the military hear from the NY Times and Chris Mathews is negative. What hasn’t been addressed lyrically are the positive changes that has taken place in America over the course of the years.

Speaking of change, have the gun lyrics, f the police lyrics and womanizing lyrics changed over the years? Change would actually be a rapper praising the military and condemning the Boumediene decision giving terrorists access to our courts. Change would actually be a CD cover with a brave soldier on it. Change would actually be Nas going over and doing a salute to the troops. Change would actually be you condemning moveon.org for their anti-semitic, anti christian, anti General Petraeus stance.

If I was afraid of change, I wouldn’t be eating all this damn bison. Light weeeeeeeeeeight!

edit, sorry I didn’ t include your comments in this reply. I had to edit and edit to try to figure out how to get your comments to stay grey and mine yellow.

[quote]Footsolider88 wrote:

Yes exactly in THIS case. How does Nas know what Fox likes?[/quote]

Are you being serious? Is there anyone on this entire forum who would stand up and claim Fox news doesn’t have a clear agenda in their news programming? Like it is hidden or something? But wait, you think pointing it out in public simply can’t be done without being psychic?

LOL!

[quote]

How does he know what black men Fox loves.[/quote]

First, it was a general comment, but just like you claim you want all of these songs about how great the military is…when were the last segments on Fox doing positive pieces about successful black people?

Can you think of one? Why no protest for that?

All I usually see is O’Reilly ranting about this or that rapper on his program with ALL of it done in a negative light.

Remember his dispute with Ludacris?

[quote]
Again, I never said Nas can’t comment on certain things. I question the things he CHOOSES to rap about and the ones he doesn’t choose. And yes and the money issue I raised because Nas whines how “you will never be free in AMerica” but if there were daily terrorist bombings and he was hiding under his expensive tables, he would realize how free he actually is, making the amount of money he makes and openly expressing the things he does because in North Korea and other such places, you can’t.[/quote]

No one said America is worse than North Korea. Why do you take any criticism as meaning hatred for an entire country?

[quote]
Since when does social status alone dictate what issues you can
I am not acting like they are aren’t a big deal. I am making observations and yes social status does to some degree dicatate how people are treated. If there weren’t opportunities in America for ALL people, then there would be no Nas the rapper, there would be no Professor X the hyooge dentist who gives great advice on eating and training, there would be no Oprah, there would be no Obama presidential candidate. Yes racism exists and I NEVER EVER EVER support it. This country is not perfect but it is far better than it used to be. But according to Nas, is it?[/quote]

My “opportunities” have done a great job of showing me where others are coming up short, especially with regards to family support when it comes to future success. Your comments imply that the more money someone makes, the less they can speak out on social issues they believe in.

Why should I have to point out a list of positives to discuss the negatives that I see? To make you feel better?

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I didn’t say the whole album. Where is one song or better yet, how about a verse? Actually an album cover with a a soldier shooting a taliban militant would be hot AND original.[/quote]

That is why you aren’t a rapper. Thank you, Jesus…who is one fine upstanding Mexican by the way.

At least you will hear the full story on Fox. Oh and MSLSD is balanced? And Chris “I have a tingle in my leg for Obama” Mathews does not have an agenda? ANd the NY Times runs a full funeral coverage on Russert but surprise no story on Tony Snow. And what about Couric, Williams and what’s his breath going on tour. I would say compared to the rest, Fox is tame in comparison.

Clarence Thomas here. - YouTube and Juan Williams is a regular commentor. But I forgot, since they are part of the wrong political party I guess it is a moot point right? WHo do you want to have on? Farrakhan? AL Sharpton?

Yes Ludacris a fine fine rapper who speaks on wide diverse array of social issues right? Chicken and beer?

No one said the US is better than North Korea either.How about it Prof, is the US better than North Korea? C’mon, how about a little positive?

Are you glad and grateful that you have an opportunity in this country to pursue what you like? The people who have an opportunity to make more money and then turn around and say you will never be free in America seems a little strange. I guess you are free to make money but not free to do what? Speak out against America? No, you are free to do that.

No I feel fine. The question is, do YOU feel better pointing out the negatives vs the positives? I am pointing out the negatives with your quotes and you are pointing out the negatives with mine and calling me hypocrite. I have said positive things to you regarding your military experience and your training/eating advice. Have I ranted about you not pointing out any positive things I have said? Not at all because I know your style. It is not a big deal.

I do play drums so I gots rhythm yo. I don’t spin records, I spin dreidls.

[quote]Footsolider88 wrote:

At least you will hear the full story on Fox. Oh and MSLSD is balanced? And Chris “I have a tingle in my leg for Obama” Mathews does not have an agenda? ANd the NY Times runs a full funeral coverage on Russert but surprise no story on Tony Snow. And what about Couric, Williams and what’s his breath going on tour. I would say compared to the rest, Fox is tame in comparison.
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Wait, so because you have a love jones for Fox news, anyone who doesn’t is somehow incorrect? The “full story”? They bypass some criticism by incorporating the talk-news shows that they then FILL the network with. If someone then points out these frequently airing shows as examples of clear bias, they just claim, “oh, that’s just a talk-news show”…as if no one is going to O’Reilly for their information and perspective of the news.

One day, that might just fool someone.

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No I feel fine. The question is, do YOU feel better pointing out the negatives vs the positives? [/quote]

I feel better discussing the fucking TRUTH and unlike you, I think it is extremely offensive and intolerable that some woman on a news program would hint at KILLING a potential future president on the air and no one even flinches. If someone had said the same about McCain…or God forbid Bush himself, there would be nationwide outrage. Here, you had to have the quote shoved in your face to even acknowledge it.

Again, that is very interesting.

Ok granted you don’t have a love jones for Fox. By the way Method Man has used that term before. Which song and album? Yes I am hi jacking with song trivia. Has Fox reported on anything correctly? I am curious to hear the positives. Indulge me oh swole one.

So you wanted me to acknowledge something negative and I did yet now you claim you “shoved” the quote in my face. What happened to the laughing by the commentors? There was none! But your quote is telling. Ah now she is “some woman” on a news program. The truth? Perhaps she was not an employee of Fox. Does that make her statement better? No but oh Colbert, you deceive us so with your clever editing skillz. That was one of my points as well. Al Sharpton is often on Fox and he cries racism at the drop of a hat but he has made racist comments himself AND he still gets appearances on the “racist” channel.

I also find it intolerable that a rapper would associate himself with an organization that is anti-semitic, anti Christian, anti-general as well. I have repeated this over and over and you haven’t even acknowldged it. I also acknowledged Clarence Thomas supported by Fox but where oh where is your acknowledgement? How about North Korea? Is the US better than North Korea? How about some real Truth Ruth?

Mucho interesante.

Not that I want to intrude upon this conversation, but one thing made me curious:

“Footsoldier88” ← does the 88 stand for what I think it does ?

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Not that I want to intrude upon this conversation, but one thing made me curious:

“Footsoldier88” ← does the 88 stand for what I think it does ?[/quote]

I don’t know what you mean. 8 is just my lucky number.

PS John Merryman of Cephalic Carnage is a pretty sick drummer. New Origin is pretty crazy as well.

[quote]malonetd wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:

Kanye West Somewhat. With his production, he’s very clever. With his rapping, not so much.
Lupe Fiasco OK
Jay-Z On one or two songs per album. Then he tops off the album with sub-par filler.

[/quote]

I just don’t see it. It’s one thing not to like pop music but to honestly dissect what people write and not think Kanye is one of the best out there doesn’t make sense to me. His word play in lyrics and song titles as well as comedy value is off the charts and consistent in EVERY song even ones he doesn’t seem passionate about.

Then when you top it off with real life topics and sometimes thought provoking subject matter I don’t see how people don’t put him at the top in lyrics. The only person I’ve ever liked all around more was Pac.

Who is your top 5?

worst fox news moment ever i got so pissed when i saw this on tv. They try 2 seem like they dont agree with whats being said but they just want any bad press out there against obama and his race. GAHHH why would they show this.

[quote]Jlabs wrote:

worst fox news moment ever i got so pissed when i saw this on tv. They try 2 seem like they dont agree with whats being said but they just want any bad press out there against obama and his race. GAHHH why would they show this.
[/quote]

Why was this the worst moment for fox? Hannity was saying he was DISAGREEING with Manning and that he disagrees with Obama not because of his race but because of his political viewpoints. He also said that what Manning was saying was bad for the country.

So even when Fox employees speak out against controversial pastors, they are still racist. That makes as much sense as Rosie O DOnnell in lingerie.

he doesnt desserve to go on tv and say such words no matter if the hosts claim to agree or disagree. They just want to give him bad press and they were successful. Its really disgusting to see them put stuff like that on the air.

[quote]Jlabs wrote:

worst fox news moment ever i got so pissed when i saw this on tv. They try 2 seem like they dont agree with whats being said but they just want any bad press out there against obama and his race. GAHHH why would they show this.
[/quote]

That was horrible, I hate the fact that this Obama race has brought out a number of stupid ass characters like this.

[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
i hate when people individually respond to quotes because i do that and its a pain in the ass to quote again. uuuuuuugh.[/quote]
Do you whine this much in real life? I hate when people can’t take the time to punctuate or capitalize.

Nas doesn’t think everyone has to rap like him. That’s retarded. He never criticized De La Soul, Das EFX, or even Devin the Dude, and they don’t rap anything like Nas.

Nas is criticizing those that are watering down the music and making the equivalent to hip hop nursery rhymes.[quote]

@my top 3

Kanye West is severly underrated. this guy uses some of the most clever wordplay today. (and Prawf X is KANYE not KENYA)

-2 words
-cant tell me nothing/remix
-drive slow
-i wonder…the list can go on man, this guy is absolutely phenomenal. i honestly think hes as underrated as Lupe because his lyrics go over so many peoples heads.
[/quote]
Kanye is not underrated at all. In fact, he’s probably overrated as a rapper. Just because he purposely slurs and uses a drawl doesn’t make him great. Rhyming the second or third to last word in a line isn’t especially clever. He’s just an average rapper with some great production. If you think he’s going over people’s head, then I worry about your intelligence level.[quote]

Jay-Z 2 songs off every album? ummm did you not hear American Gangster? almost that entire album was classic. seriously dude, go back listen to American Gangster then get back to me.
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American Gangster was better than Kingdom Come, but that’s not saying much. The album was far from classic. There were a few tracks I really liked, but, again, there’s too much filler.

That’s what Jay does. He makes a couple good songs and fills his album with crap. Kingdom Come was pretty weak overall.

The Black Album was ok, but not great. It’s not clever to rhyme words with the same word.

He admitted himself that the second Blueprint was filled with crap. That’s why he re-released it with half the songs.

See a trend yet?[quote]
im guessing you havent heard his new song A Billie either

“i affiliate
with billie cakes
thats my pair
and jaminillionaire
is my consigeliare
when i wear
billionaire
boys club
its not for care
i dont wear it cause pharrell
i wear it cause im fa real
-i see dead people-
i see benjamins
and a billion other
big head people”

“sean carter, sean bell
whats the difference do tell
50 shots or 50 mill
aint no difference, go to hell” what??!
[/quote]

Is that supposed to be clever? Is that supposed to be impressive rhyming? If you think so, I feel sorry for you. Of all the Jay-Z tracks, you picked that to try to make a point?

[quote]Footsolider88 wrote:
Ok granted you don’t have a love jones for Fox. By the way Method Man has used that term before. Which song and album? Yes I am hi jacking with song trivia. Has Fox reported on anything correctly? I am curious to hear the positives. Indulge me oh swole one.

So you wanted me to acknowledge something negative and I did yet now you claim you “shoved” the quote in my face. What happened to the laughing by the commentors? There was none! But your quote is telling. Ah now she is “some woman” on a news program. The truth? Perhaps she was not an employee of Fox. Does that make her statement better? No but oh Colbert, you deceive us so with your clever editing skillz. That was one of my points as well. Al Sharpton is often on Fox and he cries racism at the drop of a hat but he has made racist comments himself AND he still gets appearances on the “racist” channel.

I also find it intolerable that a rapper would associate himself with an organization that is anti-semitic, anti Christian, anti-general as well. I have repeated this over and over and you haven’t even acknowldged it. I also acknowledged Clarence Thomas supported by Fox but where oh where is your acknowledgement? How about North Korea? Is the US better than North Korea? How about some real Truth Ruth?

Mucho interesante.

[/quote]

  1. What does Al Sharpton have to do with any of this?

  2. How does who the woman is erase the fact that her comment was allowed to air and no one edited it out or corrected her? She didn’t make a comment about his hair. She made one about his life as if it was on par with Osama Bin ladin.

  3. What does Clarence Thomas have to do with this and when did you miss that Clarence Thomas doesn’t exactly have the support of the black community on several social issues?

  4. Nas is not anti-Christian OR anti-semitic so why even attempt to label him as such?

[quote]Jlabs wrote:
he doesnt desserve to go on tv and say such words no matter if the hosts claim to agree or disagree. They just want to give him bad press and they were successful. Its really disgusting to see them put stuff like that on the air.[/quote]

Exactly. It is a game and the fact that people like footsoldier seem to blind to it is frustrating. People really fall for that?

Sad.

[quote]Footsolider88 wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Not that I want to intrude upon this conversation, but one thing made me curious:

“Footsoldier88” ← does the 88 stand for what I think it does ?

I don’t know what you mean. 8 is just my lucky number.

PS John Merryman of Cephalic Carnage is a pretty sick drummer. New Origin is pretty crazy as well.
[/quote]

Sry, being from germany, I was a little suspicious of the 88 = hh = heil hitler kind of thing that the nazis over here use as a “code”.
Glad I was wrong.

I guess I need to get the new Origin album then, any non-streaming samples available ?

Wonder what the new Necrophagist Drummer is going to be like… the last one was fairly sick for a 17 or so year old.

Ah, sry for hijacking a hip hop thread, especially this way :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

1.Because you are talking about the idea that Fox excludes many blacks from its guest list limiting itself to only a select few who go along with its editorial opinions. Al Sharpton has been a guest on Fox many times. Fox will have a more diverse panel of interviewees than CNN.

  1. Because how can a station be responsible for a guest coming on the show and saying something that no one could have predicted was coming. I guess if it was edited out, people will then cry out that Fox is “covering its tracks”. Where is the entire clip without the Colbert edit and again, was this person an employee of Fox or just “some woman” as you said earlier. And I notice now you said no one corrected her. Well no one corrected Dan Rather. Where was the editing process there and the correction hmmmmm?

  2. Clarence Thomas? You asked about a black person getting spotlighted on Fox in a POSITIVE light. Oh so this means, you do like positivity as long it aligns with your point of view. Sounds like curtailment of freedom of speech.

4.Did I label him specifically? What was accomplished by his falsely pointing the finger at Israel as the reason for gun related crime in the black community? Will Jews cry out edit! edit! edit! It is well known that anti semitism is alive and well in this country especially in certain circles namely Moveon.org. and CNN. But, I guess I’m not allowed to criticize those media outlets. They are ALL positive, no negatives right?

If Nas is such a knowledgeable political pundit, how come he doesn’t speak out against moveon.org racist comments. In addition when he was on Stephen Colbert show, he did not provide one SPECIFIC example to back up his statement that O’Reilly is a racist and “out of control”. He can’t go around name calling just because someone provides a different political point of view from him. That is slander.

How about it Prof. Is the US better than North Korea? still waiting…

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Footsolider88 wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Not that I want to intrude upon this conversation, but one thing made me curious:

“Footsoldier88” ← does the 88 stand for what I think it does ?

I don’t know what you mean. 8 is just my lucky number.

PS John Merryman of Cephalic Carnage is a pretty sick drummer. New Origin is pretty crazy as well.

Sry, being from germany, I was a little suspicious of the 88 = hh = heil hitler kind of thing that the nazis over here use as a “code”.
Glad I was wrong.

I guess I need to get the new Origin album then, any non-streaming samples available ?

Wonder what the new Necrophagist Drummer is going to be like… the last one was fairly sick for a 17 or so year old.

Ah, sry for hijacking a hip hop thread, especially this way :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
[/quote]

Hitler? Helllllll Noooooooooo! I did not know that.

I think Romain Goulon is with Necrophagist. Here is a great Origin clip with a new song “Finite”. Longstreth and his crazy double strokes. ORIGIN - Finite @ Death Feast 08 - YouTube

[quote]Footsolider88 wrote:

1.Because you are talking about the idea that Fox excludes many blacks from its guest list limiting itself to only a select few who go along with its editorial opinions. Al Sharpton has been a guest on Fox many times. Fox will have a more diverse panel of interviewees than CNN.[/quote]

Al Sharpton does not speak for me or even most black people so who gives a shit that he has been on Fox several times? Why do so many of you give this man so much credit as a “black leader”? Has it occurred to you at all that Fox features him so much because he is doing more damage than good? Naaaah, you haven’t thought that far.

[quote]

  1. Because how can a station be responsible for a guest coming on the show and saying something that no one could have predicted was coming. I guess if it was edited out, people will then cry out that Fox is “covering its tracks”. Where is the entire clip without the Colbert edit and again, was this person an employee of Fox or just “some woman” as you said earlier. And I notice now you said no one corrected her. Well no one corrected Dan Rather. Where was the editing process there and the correction hmmmmm?[/quote]

You don’t get it. The station has the power to edit content out. They do it ALL OF THE TIME and should have done so with questionable content. They clearly didn’t give a shit and their usual viewership didn’t either. Dan Rather was a slip of the tongue which was nowhere near making a comment about ending a potential future president’s life. How can you even compare the two?

[quote]

  1. Clarence Thomas? You asked about a black person getting spotlighted on Fox in a POSITIVE light. Oh so this means, you do like positivity as long it aligns with your point of view. Sounds like curtailment of freedom of speech.[/quote]

Gee, you don’t see a problem with them highlighting only black people who are strictly on the opposite side of many issues as most in the black community?

No surprise there. I guess you simply can not grasp the desire to see blacks who DO represent the black community in opinion being highlighted positively.

[quote]

4.Did I label him specifically? [/quote]

You tried to make him guilty by association. If you want to discuss some other organization, present exact quotes and have at it. I am not about to go research whether what you claim is correct or not just to counter some UNRELATED issue about some organization you don’t like.

[quote]
If Nas is such a knowledgeable political pundit, how come he doesn’t speak out against moveon.org racist comments. In addition when he was on Stephen Colbert show, he did not provide one SPECIFIC example to back up his statement that O’Reilly is a racist and “out of control”. He can’t go around name calling just because someone provides a different political point of view from him. That is slander.

How about it Prof. Is the US better than North Korea? still waiting…[/quote]

What racist comments? Quote them specifically and start a new thread. This is about NAS, not other organizations of which you have provided no proof of the accusations you keep making.

O’Reilly is a shit stirrer. He does that for ratings. Neither you nor I know what this man is like in private. I do know that he focuses on the worst of the Hip Hop community regularly and uses that to make blanket statements about an entire culture that he clearly knows little about. As much as O’Reilly has called out specific rappers, for you to claim he is being slandered is a fucking joke.

…and your last comment about North Korea doesn’t even deserve a response. It shouldn’t have even been typed by you.

whats every bodies favorite rap artists or songs?