[quote]threewhitelights wrote:
I can’t believe this tool just compaired soulja boy to Pac. I can’t believe ANYONE is being compared to Pac.[/quote]
x2
I challenge Soujah Douche to make a song even remotely close to ‘Hail Mary’ and record it in half an hour.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
soulja boy makes music people want to hear, thats it.[/quote]
Who the fuck wants to hear half audible words repeated ad nauseum for 3 and a half minutes? Retards, that’s who. I’m a year older than you and I find Soujah boy to be the WORST excuse for an artist I’ve EVER seen to (dis)grace the music world.
Are you retarded or something? Given your musical preferences, I’d say so. All Eyez On Me was released BEFORE he was killed you moron. The Don Killuminati was the album released shortly after his death.
HA HA HA!! Awesome. Ask half the rappers with a high profile or underground career who they listened to before they got into rap, and I bet they’ll say Jay-Z, Nas, Biggie AND Pac.
He was famous well before he was killed, so you argument there is just EPIC fail.
LOL. You must speak for a minority then. Everyone I’ve met who listens to Hip-hop can recognize a 2Pac song from a mile away. I don’t see people changing the station because California Love’ just came on the radio.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
malonetd wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
everyone knows who soulja boy is. if you go to the hood they know who he is, if you go to beverly hills they know who he is, if you go to the swamps they know who he is.
You expect me to believe that someone who can’t even pay for heat knows what people in Beverly Hills know?
id think so, i went to Beverly Hills last year. try harder?[/quote]
I’m sorry, since when did Massachusetts have swamps?
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
SteelyD wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
run dmc fucking sucked.
Dude-- do you know how much music would not exist today if not for RunDMC?
Hell, they even influenced my guitar playing.
yeah thats a little too harsh on em from my part. for when they came out they were good. difference is you cant compare them to the rappers out now. have you heard Rev-Run’s new shit? its absolutely awful. i understand what theyve done as far as being pioneers but that doesnt mean i have to like them.[/quote]
You need to stop trying to say, bla bla, todays rappers are better, bla blah.
Fact is, most rappers today couldn’t do run dmc’s, tupac, nas or jay-z’s shit if they tried. So by your logic, todays rappers suck because they can’t do something that you consider inferior, and easier then today’s rap.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
id love to see you walk down any Mexican neighborhood in LA, South Boston 10 years ago or Charlestown
South Boston was a white Irish ghetto. Get your shit straight. I doubt much rap/hip-hop was coming out of there.
The Prof, being black, would be in a bad spot there. [/quote]
nothing gets by you huh?
for the record Southie IS an irish ghetto.just not as much as it used to be.
[quote]malonetd wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
if you arent older than me…or not by much, and you listen to him…you just need to stop trying so hard to be down. anyway, i dont find rappers from that time to be as clever as rappers today. i think any Fabolous freestyle would destroy any early rappers entire career.
So, no matter how universally agreed upon awful a song is, it’s cool for YOU to like it, because you like what you like? But if I like Kane, I’m trying yo be down? You don’t even make sense, kid.
And I really would love to see who you think of “clever”.[/quote]
you can listen to whatever music you want. but if youre born in 1987 and youre listening to music from the 50s id say youre a little weird. just like listening to music from 1992 thats completely played out.
i mean really how long can you listen to the same song over and over? the shit gets played out at somepoint and they arent making new music. besides majority of people who listen to that music are just trying to fit into what could be considered the smug psuedo-intellectual Starbucks drinkers of the hip-hop world.
who do i think is clever?
Kanye West
Lupe Fiasco
Jay-Z
^thats my undisputed top 3
i think Fabolous is greatly underrated too. difference is when i want to hear thought provoking and clever music that i can hear something different each time, i know where to go. when i want to hear party music and just chill or party, i also know where to go and i know the difference of where each genre stands and dont mix the two.
you wouldnt compare Jay-Z to Humpty Hump, you wouldnt compare Slick Rick to DJ Unk. I dont know what it is all of a sudden. theres always been a jokester party guy as long as theres been a lyricist, as long as theres been a gangsta rapper. why are people making a fuss now?
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
id love to see you walk down any Mexican neighborhood in LA, South Boston 10 years ago or Charlestown[/quote]
Man you say that like that’s a good thing.
“Oh, look at me, I’m a fucking gangsta. I get to sell drugs and take my welfare check and go bankrupt California.”
I seriously doubt any gangster listens to soulja boy.
I lived in california for 15 years. LA is a shithole, but you don’t see gang violence all over the city. That stuff is concentrated in small neighborhoods.
When I lived in California, I heard more mexicans listening to country then i did shit like soulja boy. They don’t listen to these rappers that wear more jewelry then bill gates has ever bought his wife.
That life isn’t glamorous.
My dad grew up in Compton on skid row, there wasn’t and never will be some gangsta rolling through there in there Cadillac, wearing gold jewelry. Just guys living in alleys, and sleeping in trash cans.
Oh goodness.
my dad grew up in Springfield, MA. congragulations?
why are you even talking about this stuff? seriously dude? no one is bringing up gangsta shit, Prof X said i should walk through some place like something would happen to me, so i said he should walk through somewhere.
then everyone threw their 2 cents in. …this is exactly what i mean about people on my nuts everywhere i go. im talkin to one damn person and everyone else wants to jump in when they clearly dont even know whats being said.
She got a Donk!
Best Lyrics EVER!
[quote]Footsolider88 wrote:
If you notice the song I listened to, quoted and referenced was not “Sly FOx”. But since we are on the subject, Nas mentioned in SLy Fox that the only black people who watch Fox are dead or in jail. Since when does NAs speak for all black people? I know Al Sharpton doesn’t.[/quote]
That isn’t even what he was getting at. Maybe you should listen to it again. He said the only blacks Fox exploits on are either dead or in jail. His comment had nothing to do with viewership and had more to do with how they present blacks in the media.
Did you watch that Colbert interview with the Fox News clips? Did you see how many times they “mixed up” Osama Bin Ladin (using the entire name, not just an Obama/Osama slip) with Obama? Did you hear the older lady make a comment about taking both of them out as if it was a joke as the other commentator just laughed?
Yet, none of that offended you.
That is very interesting.
[quote]MtbKid wrote:
I seriously doubt any gangster listens to soulja boy.[/quote]
Not true. I once saw a whole bunch of dealers trying to attract prospective clientele by doing the “superman” dance. Then they screamed out “YAH!!” and the crackheads came running.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
you can listen to whatever music you want. but if youre born in 1987 and youre listening to music from the 50s id say youre a little weird. just like listening to music from 1992 thats completely played out. [/quote]
And I think you’re close-minded if you refuse to listen to great music of the past. Great songs don’t get played out.[quote]
i mean really how long can you listen to the same song over and over? [/quote]
A lot. The Beatles are still pretty popular. The Rolling Stones still do tours and make more money annually than Soulja Boy and Lil Wayne combined.[quote]
the shit gets played out at somepoint and they arent making new music.[/quote]
No, it doesn’t get played out. Well, maybe to today’s ADD kids who are trained to change their ringtone to match the current number one on the Hot 100.
Great artists make great music that lasts forever. Not some bubblegum shit to shake your ass to. Run DMC and Public Enemy made songs to last forever. Every rapper today was influenced by Rakim, and they should all hope to have half the microphone presence he had.
Look, there’s really nothing wrong with liking Soulja Boy, and that’s not what my argument is about. But there’s no fucking way anyone can even try to compare him to Nas or any other of the greats. Soulja Boy is not an artist. Britney Spears is more of an artist than Soulja Boy.
[quote]
besides majority of people who listen to that music are just trying to fit into what could be considered the smug psuedo-intellectual Starbucks drinkers of the hip-hop world. [/quote]
No, the are people that want more from their music than cheap production and horrible, repetitive, barely coherent lyrics.[quote]
who do i think is clever?
Kanye West[/quote] Somewhat. With his production, he’s very clever. With his rapping, not so much.[quote]
Lupe Fiasco[/quote] OK[quote]
Jay-Z[/quote] On one or two songs per album. Then he tops off the album with sub-par filler.
[quote]
^thats my undisputed top 3
i think Fabolous is greatly underrated too. difference is when i want to hear thought provoking and clever music that i can hear something different each time, i know where to go. when i want to hear party music and just chill or party, i also know where to go and i know the difference of where each genre stands and dont mix the two.
you wouldnt compare Jay-Z to Humpty Hump, you wouldnt compare Slick Rick to DJ Unk. I dont know what it is all of a sudden. theres always been a jokester party guy as long as theres been a lyricist, as long as theres been a gangsta rapper. why are people making a fuss now?[/quote]
I kind of agree with you here. There are two many differences between artists. That’s why all the “Who is the greatest…?” debates are stupid. Everyone’s different. People don’t get so wrapped up this shit in other genres.
Are the Beatles better than the Stones? Dylan over Springsteen? Pearl Jam over Nirvana? They’re all different. But Soulja Boy is still shit.
i hate when people individually respond to quotes because i do that and its a pain in the ass to quote again. uuuuuuugh.
i used to listen to some old school tracks now and then. but im tired of it now. i may be talking shit about Nas but best believe i bought Stillmatic. my problem with him is how he thinks he can declare what hip-hop is anyway that and hes in no way shape or form the best emcee.
im also not comapring nas to soulja boy. i never did in this whole thread. i told professor x not to compare them because theyre apples and oranges. nas makes political or story telling tracks. soulja boy makes party snap music. my problem isnt if you like either one, its when you start trying to be mad at one for not being like the other when they are seperate styles and seperate sub-genres. like i said, my problem with nas is that he raps a certain way and he thinks anyone who doesnt live up to his standards isnt even hip-hop. for that, nas can fuck himself.
@my top 3
Kanye West is severly underrated. this guy uses some of the most clever wordplay today. (and Prawf X is KANYE not KENYA)
-2 words
-cant tell me nothing/remix
-drive slow
-i wonder…the list can go on man, this guy is absolutely phenomenal. i honestly think hes as underrated as Lupe because his lyrics go over so many peoples heads.
Jay-Z 2 songs off every album? ummm did you not hear American Gangster? almost that entire album was classic. seriously dude, go back listen to American Gangster then get back to me.
im guessing you havent heard his new song A Billie either
“i affiliate
with billie cakes
thats my pair
and jaminillionaire
is my consigeliare
when i wear
billionaire
boys club
its not for care
i dont wear it cause pharrell
i wear it cause im fa real
-i see dead people-
i see benjamins
and a billion other
big head people”
“sean carter, sean bell
whats the difference do tell
50 shots or 50 mill
aint no difference, go to hell” what??!
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Footsolider88 wrote:
If you notice the song I listened to, quoted and referenced was not “Sly FOx”. But since we are on the subject, Nas mentioned in SLy Fox that the only black people who watch Fox are dead or in jail. Since when does NAs speak for all black people? I know Al Sharpton doesn’t.
That isn’t even what he was getting at. Maybe you should listen to it again. He said the only blacks Fox exploits on are either dead or in jail. His comment had nothing to do with viewership and had more to do with how they present blacks in the media.
Did you watch that Colbert interview with the Fox News clips? Did you see how many times they “mixed up” Osama Bin Ladin (using the entire name, not just an Obama/Osama slip) with Obama? Did you hear the older lady make a comment about taking both of them out as if it was a joke as the other commentator just laughed?
Yet, none of that offended you.
That is very interesting.
[/quote]
Actually, I did listen to it again and Nas says “the only black man that Fox loves is in jail or a dead one”. So not only is he speaking for black men but for Fox and the black people who work for Fox. And yes I watched the Colbert clip and you say “mixed up”, there was ONE slip up and she said knocking it off not taking them out. The other clips did not call him Osama or mistake his name. And ONE clip saying his full name - context? Where was your “outrage” when Dan Rather slipped up said Osama bin Ladin and NO ONE corrected him? Colbert always takes clips out of context (which he does for HUMOR not news) and I didn’t realize the Colbert Report and the Daily Show were “legitimate” news sources on COMEDY CENTRAL.
I also find it interesting that during the interview Nas tries to imply that Israel has something to do with the guns in his neighborhood as if the purpose is to target their neighborhood specifically. Did that outrage Colbert? Did he address it? Actually that does not surprise me since I mentioned before that Nas associates with Moveon.org, an organization that has been historically anti-semitic, anti Christian, and anti war slandering General Petreus in the NY Times, and yet none of that offended you.
Again, that is very interesting.
Prof, I am a big fan of your advice as far as training and eating goes as you know, but this Nas issue I disagree.
[quote]Footsolider88 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Footsolider88 wrote:
If you notice the song I listened to, quoted and referenced was not “Sly FOx”. But since we are on the subject, Nas mentioned in SLy Fox that the only black people who watch Fox are dead or in jail. Since when does NAs speak for all black people? I know Al Sharpton doesn’t.
That isn’t even what he was getting at. Maybe you should listen to it again. He said the only blacks Fox exploits on are either dead or in jail. His comment had nothing to do with viewership and had more to do with how they present blacks in the media.
Did you watch that Colbert interview with the Fox News clips? Did you see how many times they “mixed up” Osama Bin Ladin (using the entire name, not just an Obama/Osama slip) with Obama? Did you hear the older lady make a comment about taking both of them out as if it was a joke as the other commentator just laughed?
Yet, none of that offended you.
That is very interesting.
Actually, I did listen to it again and Nas says “the only black man that Fox loves is in jail or a dead one”. So not only is he speaking for black men but for Fox and the black people who work for Fox. And yes I watched the Colbert clip and you say “mixed up”, there was ONE slip up and she said knocking it off not taking them out. The other clips did not call him Osama or mistake his name. And ONE clip saying his full name - context? Where was your “outrage” when Dan Rather slipped up said Osama bin Ladin and NO ONE corrected him? Colbert always takes clips out of context (which he does for HUMOR not news) and I didn’t realize the Colbert Report and the Daily Show were “legitimate” news sources on COMEDY CENTRAL.
I also find it interesting that during the interview Nas tries to imply that Israel has something to do with the guns in his neighborhood as if the purpose is to target their neighborhood specifically. Did that outrage Colbert? Did he address it? Actually that does not surprise me since I mentioned before that Nas associates with Moveon.org, an organization that has been historically anti-semitic, anti Christian, and anti war slandering General Petreus in the NY Times, and yet none of that offended you.
Again, that is very interesting.
Prof, I am a big fan of your advice as far as training and eating goes as you know, but this Nas issue I disagree.
[/quote]
Why are you speaking FOR American military when you aren’t one? I am military and I don’t feel slighted in any way by what he has said.
Why is it alright for you but not for him?
Hypocrite.
That woman specifically said, “[quote]”…If someone could knock off Osama…uhp, well, Obama…well, both if you could".[/quote]"
yet this does not offend you. Why? This is CLEARLY what she did say but you are now making excuses for it. Why?
No one LAUGHED when Dan Rather slipped up. Are you just really that fucking blind?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Footsolider88 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Footsolider88 wrote:
If you notice the song I listened to, quoted and referenced was not “Sly FOx”. But since we are on the subject, Nas mentioned in SLy Fox that the only black people who watch Fox are dead or in jail. Since when does NAs speak for all black people? I know Al Sharpton doesn’t.
That isn’t even what he was getting at. Maybe you should listen to it again. He said the only blacks Fox exploits on are either dead or in jail. His comment had nothing to do with viewership and had more to do with how they present blacks in the media.
Did you watch that Colbert interview with the Fox News clips? Did you see how many times they “mixed up” Osama Bin Ladin (using the entire name, not just an Obama/Osama slip) with Obama? Did you hear the older lady make a comment about taking both of them out as if it was a joke as the other commentator just laughed?
Yet, none of that offended you.
That is very interesting.
Actually, I did listen to it again and Nas says “the only black man that Fox loves is in jail or a dead one”. So not only is he speaking for black men but for Fox and the black people who work for Fox. And yes I watched the Colbert clip and you say “mixed up”, there was ONE slip up and she said knocking it off not taking them out. The other clips did not call him Osama or mistake his name. And ONE clip saying his full name - context? Where was your “outrage” when Dan Rather slipped up said Osama bin Ladin and NO ONE corrected him? Colbert always takes clips out of context (which he does for HUMOR not news) and I didn’t realize the Colbert Report and the Daily Show were “legitimate” news sources on COMEDY CENTRAL.
I also find it interesting that during the interview Nas tries to imply that Israel has something to do with the guns in his neighborhood as if the purpose is to target their neighborhood specifically. Did that outrage Colbert? Did he address it? Actually that does not surprise me since I mentioned before that Nas associates with Moveon.org, an organization that has been historically anti-semitic, anti Christian, and anti war slandering General Petreus in the NY Times, and yet none of that offended you.
Again, that is very interesting.
Prof, I am a big fan of your advice as far as training and eating goes as you know, but this Nas issue I disagree.
Why are you speaking FOR American military when you aren’t one? I am military and I don’t feel slighted in any way by what he has said.
Why is it alright for you but not for him?
Hypocrite.
That woman specifically said, “”…If someone could knock off Osama…uhp, well, Obama…well, both if you could"."
yet this does not offend you. Why? This is CLEARLY what she did say but you are now making excuses for it. Why?
No one LAUGHED when Dan Rather slipped up. Are you just really that fucking blind?
[/quote]
How did I speak for the military? And I didn’t say you had to feel anything. I did say I respect the military. When was the last time Nas said anything remotely similar to that? But I have listened to military men speak on the topic of media bias does not show the progress that is being made and how it does affect their actions because any mistake whether it is their fault or not will be magnified by the NY TImes or anti-war media. And yes, they despise it because they have said so. I made an observation about the issue in general and found it interesting that DURING A TIME OF war Nas and other prominent lyricists in general have not written a song praising the people who defend them and the US. And they don’t write a song denigrating those who try to kill us and the other atrocities terrorists commit but they’d rather spew propaganda about Bush and lies, etc. That’s hypocritical on my part?
But because I am not in the military means I am not allowed to wonder? Wonder why that I, myself, am not a public figure but show support to the troops with donations and praise whenever I see them, but Nas and other prominent rappers who ARE public figures have no “desire” as you say to praise the troops and the people who defend his right to speak freely…not even one song? Yet Nas chooses to say in the song “Breathe” that you will never be free in America and f the police? That doesn’t warrant any criticism? That’s what he chooses to write about instead and that’s hypocritcal on my part? Never said he couldn’t write it but it is interesting that is what he and others choose.
I don’t agree with someone making threats taking a public figure out and honestly I don’t even know who that woman is. I don’t even think she is a part of Fox because I never saw her before. Interesting that they don’t show clips of O’Reilly saying anything about Obama or black people. But cmon, laughing is the deciding factor? Interesting because I did not hear the other newscasters laughing after her comment. I guess that makes me deaf and blind huh? Please, so I guess Nas is not petitioning MSNBC and Rather because no one laughed. I guess Colbert did not touch Nas’s Israel comment because no one laughed. I guess Nas is not petitioning Chris Mathews because no one laughed after his cold blooded killers comment. I guess no one is petitioning moveon.org and their anti semitism, anti-Christian, anti General Petraeus stance because no one laughed.
[quote]Footsolider88 wrote:
I don’t agree with someone making threats taking a public figure out and honestly I don’t even know who that woman is. I don’t even think she is a part of Fox because I never saw her before. Interesting that they don’t show clips of O’Reilly saying anything about Obama or black people. But cmon, laughing is the deciding factor? Interesting because I did not hear the other newscasters laughing after her comment. I guess that makes me deaf and blind huh?
[/quote]
It would appear so. Nas commented on CBS news and NBC. I am actually very interested in how you think. It is very odd to me. You seem to actually believe that a black man in this country should not comment on how blacks are treated. That makes no sense at all. Somehow that didn’t stop you from making that comment and from basically ignoring what that woman said until I literally quoted it for you here.
It is like you see what you want to see and nothing more.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
[/quote]
Why are you arguing? Just call everybody old and call it a day. They are arguing what they like, which is all opinion based. You will never win this argument, the foundation of rap has always been anti-pop, soon as an artist goes pop he will be the devil and everybody will hate him. Why? simply because they hear it EVERYWHERE, and its young and new.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Footsolider88 wrote:
I don’t agree with someone making threats taking a public figure out and honestly I don’t even know who that woman is. I don’t even think she is a part of Fox because I never saw her before. Interesting that they don’t show clips of O’Reilly saying anything about Obama or black people. But cmon, laughing is the deciding factor? Interesting because I did not hear the other newscasters laughing after her comment. I guess that makes me deaf and blind huh?
It would appear so. Nas commented on CBS news and NBC. I am actually very interested in how you think. It is very odd to me. You seem to actually believe that a black man in this country should not comment on how blacks are treated. That makes no sense at all. Somehow that didn’t stop you from making that comment and from basically ignoring what that woman said until I literally quoted it for you here.
It is like you see what you want to see and nothing more.[/quote]
No no no, don’t twist my words around. What comment? I never said blacks couldn’t comment on how they are treated. But where are the rappers rapping about how they appreciate military, how they despise the terrorist tactics, how they despise statements made by other political channels. Where are the rappers commenting how they respect the policemen and firemen? I know not all blacks are treated poorly and I know not all police treat them poorly either. Would you agree? Would you agree that Moveon.org has not treated Jews well? Christians well? General Petraeus well? Nas commented on CBS and NBS in “Sly Fox” but not very specific was he? I’m not a fan of Paul Wall but I did admire his trip to Persian Gulf in 07 to support the troops. Nas, care to make a trip?
I did not ignore the comment but you seem to be ignoring a bunch of my other comments.
[quote]Footsolider88 wrote:
No no no, don’t twist my words around. What comment? I never said blacks couldn’t comment on how they are treated. [/quote]
No, you wrote, “[quote]Actually, I did listen to it again and Nas says “the only black man that Fox loves is in jail or a dead one”. So not only is he speaking for black men but for Fox and the black people who work for Fox.[/quote]”…as if when a black man speaks about how blacks are treated, that this means he is speaking FOR all black people. Does any white man on this country carry the burden of speaking FOR all white people? Why just us? You made this comment after making previous ones about how much money Nas makes as if this means he shouldn’t or couldn’t speak on this issue.
Since when does social status alone dictate what issues you can discuss? Since when does commenting on how blacks are treated mean you are speaking FOR all black people?
These are all comments you have made that you are now acting like aren’t such a big deal.
Does my bank account indicate what I can speak on? Since when?
If I comment on how blacks are treated, this means I am speaking FOR all black people the world over?
There can be no compromise as long as people like you claim that any discussion in public is a negative.
[quote]
But where are the rappers rapping about how they appreciate military, how they despise the terrorist tactics, how they despise statements made by other political channels. Where are the rappers commenting how they respect the policemen and firemen? [/quote]
Uh, who is going to buy this album with nothing but tributes to authority figures and military? I wouldn’t and I AM military.
Wait, so any comment about how blacks are treated in a negative light somehow REQUIRES us to speak on something really positive so that we can make you happy?
Any discussion of this now means that things are not getting better over all?
Why do some of you seem to get upset if someone talks about things that need to change for the better?
Are you afraid of change?