[quote]Professor X wrote:
Just because there are enough idiots to buy anything ringtone rappers put out, it does not mean they have talent. It simply means that many people have bad taste.
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Absolutely.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Just because there are enough idiots to buy anything ringtone rappers put out, it does not mean they have talent. It simply means that many people have bad taste.
You mentioned his “production”. This is no Kenya West and I DARE YOU to compare this fool to an artist that is considered one of the best.
Is he as good or better than Jay-Z?
Tupac?
B.I.G.?
Nas?
Eminem?
Where in those names does this “genius” fit in? I am truly interested.[/quote]
first. who are you to say that just because someone doesnt like what you like that they must have bad taste?
second, youre comparing apples and oranges. soulja boy makes dance music, he makes party music. what is so hard to grasp about this? yea i know its hard to believe but guess what theres people who like to go to the club or house parties and dont want to hear about the trifes of the ghetto. crazy huh?
third. biggies, tupac, and even nas are some of the absolutely most overrated rappers EEEEEVER. nas has a shitload more talent than biggie and pac combined but to say hes the best rapper ever…lawl. Jay-Z is probaly the only one you mentioned that ever deserves the praise about him. thats someone who can sell records decade after decade. he doesnt get old, like these other rappers he knows to evolve with the game, they dont.what club tracks has Nas had? Oochie Wally? ill give props where its due, nas is good, he had his day. hes nothing right now though. real talk.
[quote]malonetd wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
malonetd wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
malonetd wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
but this guy is 16 years old and got more money than you.
He might have a lot of money for a teenager, but that’s about it. His record sales were awful and and tour revenue was below average. He’s relying an awful lot on 99 cent downloads and ring tones.
well it seems to be working. and btw is having a lot of money the whole point?
But the point is that he DOESN’T have a lot of money. Not for being an entertainer.
alright, hes probaly got more money than any of us…by a long shot. he does his own production, he didnt even have to do anything to get discovered. hes more of a household name than anyone mentioned in this thread who lives up to these completely opinionated standards of hip-hop which everyone against thinks he has to fit. id say the kids doing pretty damn good.
The only thing here that I really disagree with is you saying he’s more of a household name than anyone on this thread. Nas is a far bigger name. Soulja Boy is mostly known by by high school kids. Nas was recording before most high school kids were born. Nas is known by young and old.
There’s no denying Soulja Boy’s popularity. And I give him credit putting himself on the map, by himself…well, with the help of MySpace. But his production is horrible. He has no lyrics. He just a living, breathing ringtone. How can anyone possibly take him serious as an artist?[/quote]
People, to this day, can put on “Summer time” by Will Smith and not one person would flip the station. That is the sign of longevity and the creation of a good song.
You could pull out The Chronic album and EVERYONE is going to know some songs from it. That is the indicator of a great album.
Who the fuck is going to be listening to “she got a donk” even one year from now?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
People, to this day, can put on “Summer time” by Will Smith and not one person would flip the station. That is the sign of longevity and the creation of a good song.
You could pull out The Chronic album and EVERYONE is going to know some songs from it. That is the indicator of a great album.
Who the fuck is going to be listening to “she got a donk” even one year from now?[/quote]
No one. And Soulja Boy even encourages that mindset. When someone criticizes “Crank Dat”, he fights the criticism with saying that Crank Dat is old now. No one cares about it anymore. He’s got a new single now.
Any serious artist would strive for longevity. Real artists want to be remembered. Real artists want to create masterpieces, not disposable ringtones.
[quote]malonetd wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
malonetd wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
malonetd wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
but this guy is 16 years old and got more money than you.
He might have a lot of money for a teenager, but that’s about it. His record sales were awful and and tour revenue was below average. He’s relying an awful lot on 99 cent downloads and ring tones.
well it seems to be working. and btw is having a lot of money the whole point?
But the point is that he DOESN’T have a lot of money. Not for being an entertainer.
alright, hes probaly got more money than any of us…by a long shot. he does his own production, he didnt even have to do anything to get discovered. hes more of a household name than anyone mentioned in this thread who lives up to these completely opinionated standards of hip-hop which everyone against thinks he has to fit. id say the kids doing pretty damn good.
The only thing here that I really disagree with is you saying he’s more of a household name than anyone on this thread. Nas is a far bigger name. Soulja Boy is mostly known by by high school kids. Nas was recording before most high school kids were born. Nas is known by young and old.
There’s no denying Soulja Boy’s popularity. And I give him credit putting himself on the map, by himself…well, with the help of MySpace. But his production is horrible. He has no lyrics. He just a living, breathing ringtone. How can anyone possibly take him serious as an artist?[/quote]
everyone knows who soulja boy is. if you go to the hood they know who he is, if you go to beverly hills they know who he is, if you go to the swamps they know who he is. nas has recognition from the hip-hop community solely. dot everyone has to like soulja boy but god damn it they know who he is. you know why hes so famous? everyone hates on him. yall do his damn publicity for him talking about him 24/7. you ever heard “any publicity is good publicity”?
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
malonetd wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
malonetd wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
malonetd wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
but this guy is 16 years old and got more money than you.
He might have a lot of money for a teenager, but that’s about it. His record sales were awful and and tour revenue was below average. He’s relying an awful lot on 99 cent downloads and ring tones.
well it seems to be working. and btw is having a lot of money the whole point?
But the point is that he DOESN’T have a lot of money. Not for being an entertainer.
alright, hes probaly got more money than any of us…by a long shot. he does his own production, he didnt even have to do anything to get discovered. hes more of a household name than anyone mentioned in this thread who lives up to these completely opinionated standards of hip-hop which everyone against thinks he has to fit. id say the kids doing pretty damn good.
The only thing here that I really disagree with is you saying he’s more of a household name than anyone on this thread. Nas is a far bigger name. Soulja Boy is mostly known by by high school kids. Nas was recording before most high school kids were born. Nas is known by young and old.
There’s no denying Soulja Boy’s popularity. And I give him credit putting himself on the map, by himself…well, with the help of MySpace. But his production is horrible. He has no lyrics. He just a living, breathing ringtone. How can anyone possibly take him serious as an artist?
everyone knows who soulja boy is. if you go to the hood they know who he is, if you go to beverly hills they know who he is, if you go to the swamps they know who he is. nas has recognition from the hip-hop community solely. dot everyone has to like soulja boy but god damn it they know who he is. you know why hes so famous? everyone hates on him. yall do his damn publicity for him talking about him 24/7. you ever heard “any publicity is good publicity”?
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Dude, the world knows Monica Lewinsky and Lorena Bobbit as well. That doesn’t mean they are talented.
Well, maybe Lewinsky was.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Where in those names does this “genius” fit in? I am truly interested.
first. who are you to say that just because someone doesnt like what you like that they must have bad taste?
second, youre comparing apples and oranges. soulja boy makes dance music, he makes party music. what is so hard to grasp about this? yea i know its hard to believe but guess what theres people who like to go to the club or house parties and dont want to hear about the trifes of the ghetto. crazy huh?
third. biggies, tupac, and even nas are some of the absolutely most overrated rappers EEEEEVER. nas has a shitload more talent than biggie and pac combined but to say hes the best rapper ever…lawl. Jay-Z is probaly the only one you mentioned that ever deserves the praise about him. thats someone who can sell records decade after decade. he doesnt get old, like these other rappers he knows to evolve with the game, they dont.what club tracks has Nas had? Oochie Wally? ill give props where its due, nas is good, he had his day. hes nothing right now though. real talk.[/quote]
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Where in those names does this “genius” fit in? I am truly interested.
first. who are you to say that just because someone doesnt like what you like that they must have bad taste?[/quote]
Because time judges what is great talent, not any one individual. That is why I mentioned how quickly passing and meaningless that ‘music’ is.
If no one is even listening to shit that kid made just a few months ago because “it’s old now”, then that proves his status as a one hit wonder.
The only difference is, that today with downloads in seconds and youtube, one hit wonders can stick around for several more minutes than the 15 minutes they would have seen even 10 years ago.
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second, youre comparing apples and oranges. soulja boy makes dance music, he makes party music. what is so hard to grasp about this? yea i know its hard to believe but guess what theres people who like to go to the club or house parties and dont want to hear about the trifes of the ghetto. crazy huh? [/quote]
Please. There are TONS of dance songs that are better than this crap.
Right. I wouldn’t give your opinion on music any more credit than that of the shit I just flushed.
Nas was way ahead of this kid even when he was the same age as this kid. So was LL Cool J and even Will Smith, all of whom started in their teens.
If you think this kid has that kind of staying power, you need to quit the pipe and take up pottery or something.
professor x, its hard to argue with you because you take something someone says and twist it around, or take bits and pieces.
starting from the top…
i never said soulja boi was gonna be around for a while. in fact, i said youre right no is going to be listening to him in 20 years, just like no one is listening to Run DMC 20 years later. for the last time, he caters to a specific demographic. people arent liking soulja boy because he came out and is forcing people to like him. no, soulja boy is making a sound and style
people just want to hear.
@there are other dance songs better than him
well at least youre starting to understand that hes a dance artist and makes dance music. whether or not you think theres better dance music is individual.
if nas is ahead of his time, it was only by a few years. he was fortunate to put out a style that was popular when he did. as you can quite clearly see his style is not as popular now as it was then.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
i never said soulja boi was gonna be around for a while. in fact, i said youre right no is going to be listening to him in 20 years, just like no one is listening to Run DMC 20 years later.[/quote]
Did you REALLY just compare this little kid to RUNDMC? The people who set the bar for every rapper who came after them? THAT Run DMC?
Holy flying crap, Batman.
At least we agree on this kid’s one hit wonder status. The sad thing is, they keep letting him come out with more than one flop simply because every teenager has a cell phone and needs a new ring tone every week.
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for the last time, he caters to a specific demographic. people arent liking soulja boy because he came out and is forcing people to like him. no, soulja boy is making a sound and style
people just want to hear.[/quote]
We know. That is why they are called “ring tone rappers”. Their shit is only good enough to sound good on a cell phone for a few seconds before someone says, “Yo, what’s up?”.
I honestly can’t see too many people downloading “she got a donk” into their cell phones though unless they are under the age of 14.
I would be ashamed to play this shit in my car. I would play “Bye, Bye Bye” from Nsync on the highest level before I played this bullshit.
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@there are other dance songs better than him
well at least youre starting to understand that hes a dance artist and makes dance music. whether or not you think theres better dance music is individual.
if nas is ahead of his time, it was only by a few years. he was fortunate to put out a style that was popular when he did. as you can quite clearly see his style is not as popular now as it was then. [/quote]
Nas is one of the best. His first cd is still considered a classic several years later and his new one is one of the more socially conscious albums from the entire Hip Hop community since the last Roots CD.
The fact that you think artists like that are “has beens” simply solidifies how great they are to me.
Your taste in music seems to be pretty foul.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
i never said soulja boi was gonna be around for a while. in fact, i said youre right no is going to be listening to him in 20 years, just like no one is listening to Run DMC 20 years later. [/quote]
I am.
You have to understand, some styles never go “out of fashion.”
[quote]rsg wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
i never said soulja boi was gonna be around for a while. in fact, i said youre right no is going to be listening to him in 20 years, just like no one is listening to Run DMC 20 years later.
I am.
You have to understand, some styles never go “out of fashion.”[/quote]
Shit, any artist with any sense would be studying groups like Run DMC like pro basketball players study Micheal Jordan footage.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
rsg wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
i never said soulja boi was gonna be around for a while. in fact, i said youre right no is going to be listening to him in 20 years, just like no one is listening to Run DMC 20 years later.
I am.
You have to understand, some styles never go “out of fashion.”
Shit, any artist with any sense would be studying groups like Run DMC like pro basketball players study Micheal Jordan footage.[/quote]
No doubt, I mean, how many artists have remixed their stuff to make a hit years later?
That goes for tons of music nowadays, remixed from classics back over 20 years back - and that goes for most genres. I think hip-hop does have the most originality though.
I can’t believe people go out of their way to support souljah boy lol. Eardrum was a sick album this year so was rising down its been a good year for hip hop. The real shit anyways.
I can’t believe this tool just compaired soulja boy to Pac. I can’t believe ANYONE is being compared to Pac.
Pac and Big sold more records post-mortem then this fool ever will. All Eyes on Me reached platinum in HOURS, in fucking hours. 4 hours! This fool STILL hasn’t reached that.
wow this new nas album is tight just started to check it out.
- YouTube
Glad to see mainstream stuff like this. The majority of current rap videos include guys with purses and more jewelry then girls kissing guys on the mouth. 90s rap was manly as hell from mobb deep to atcq.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
MtbKid wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
jnnak wrote:
I feel bad for hip-hop when a song like this… - YouTube is put into the same category (hip-hop) as a song like this… - YouTube
you sound like a grandma trying to compare current music to shit from the 40’s
Hey moron, weren’t you just saying on your other thread how you didn’t start shit. Those songs do not sound alike. And stop insulting people on this forum.
Soulja Boy does lack talent, that’s not hip hop, that’s a guy having 10 words dubbed into a video over and over again. I watched one of his live performances, all he did was yell into the mic, while a cd played half the song in the background. Go youtube him, his performances suck.
I’d enjoy a live performance more where a guy actually sang rather then just dance like a monkey the whole time.
you said you dont evne listen to hip-hop, be dismissed.
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That’s true to a extent… I actually enjoyed the second song, and I own several tupac albums that I listen to at times. That soulja boy song was just shit, seriously if you like the real hiphop how can you like that? They should call it something like pop-hop.
Watch that and tell me that’s talent? He’s singing along to his cd, and sounds nothing like it. But the pants part was pretty funny.
its called snap rap or ringtone rap.
and gee whiz even Bun B supports it.
lol@ saying listening to Run DMC 20 years later is like watching Michael Jordan.wow.
run dmc fucking sucked. ok they were great back then adn they paved the way for a lot but how can you compare them talentwise to that of michael jordan? michael jordan in his prime would still shit on anyone in the NBA. run dmc in their prime actually has the wit content of oh say, soulja boi?
why does everyone keep bringing up talent too? where the fuck did i mention anything about his talent? christ, youre arguing with me about stuff ive never said.
soulja boy makes music people want to hear, thats it.
just for shits, lmao@tupac going platnium in hours. you know why? because hes the most over-fucking-rated rapper eeeeeeeeever. the guy gets killed and suddenly all these people who werent listening to rap when he was alive are declaring him as the GOAT. get the fuck outta here. everyone says oh if pac was out half these rappers wouldnt have careers. im sorry tupac wasnt that influential to control the entire genre of rap. he got famous cause of some beef shit. if no one got killed it wouldve ended on its own and shit would be exactly the same today. its like saying if P Diddy died, oh if Puff was still here it wouldnt be this way. what im saying is just because someone was big way back when doesnt mean theyre shit now. just like your boy Nas.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
everyone knows who soulja boy is. if you go to the hood they know who he is, if you go to beverly hills they know who he is, if you go to the swamps they know who he is.
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You expect me to believe that someone who can’t even pay for heat knows what people in Beverly Hills know?
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Jay-Z is probaly the only one you mentioned that ever deserves the praise about him. thats someone who can sell records decade after decade. he doesnt get old, like these other rappers he knows to evolve with the game, they dont.
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I knew you would be all over Jay-Z. Why? Because you’re a kid. It seems everyone under 25 thinks Jay-Z is the greatest. The problem is they never heard anything else. In another thread, I mentioned six or seven classic tracks, and you said you never heard any of them. How can you know anything about the greatest, or who’s overrated, or anything when you don’t even know some of the undisputed classics?
“I got an exam, let’s see if y’all pass it
Let’s see who can quote a Daddy Kane line the fastest”
-Nas
Do you even know who Big Daddy Kane is?