[quote]IHateGymMorons wrote:
The point of the poll was to use coaches relevant to this site. I threw in the other names and Gray Cook, just for the fun of it.
Save it Cali-fag. Implying my knowledge of coaches is limited to a website makes you look like an arrogant idiot.[/quote]
You didn’t answer my question: BTW, since your criteria is that the person should select a coach is he wants to “play at an elite level,” please list 5 elite elite athletes trained by each of the persons you’ve listed.
If you can’t answer that question, then I’m right to imply that your knowledge of coaches is limited to a website.
[quote]bamit wrote:
speed wrote:
belligerent wrote:
with all due respect to the aforementioned coaches, there are a lot of successful guys in the world who just don’t promote themselves enough to have T-Nation visibility
Agreed. Guys like Nelson Ayotte. From that list, I’d take Poliquin or Louie or Thib.
[quote]CC wrote:
belligerent wrote:
with all due respect to the aforementioned coaches, there are a lot of successful guys in the world who just don’t promote themselves enough to have T-Nation visibility
Seconded.
There are lots of D-I (and even a few D-II and D-III, for that matter) college and NFL S&C coaches who you may have never heard of that can hang with many of those guys named, if not all.
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Ditto that. Coach Tom Cross of Mid America Nazarene University comes to mind. That man is amazing. And the university is almost non existent.
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
IHateGymMorons wrote:
Please only choose from these names. I don’t want anyone inserting their high school coach’s name in here.
Here’s the criteria… If you wanted to look GREAT, play a sport at an elite level, and you wanted to be freaky strong and avoid injury. Who would you choose???
BTW, since your criteria is that the person should select a coach is he wants to “play at an elite level,” please list 5 elite elite athletes trained by each of the persons you’ve listed.
I’m not saying you don’t have a good list. What I am saying is that your list is not based on any real knowledge of the S&C community. You just picked the names of guys who write here. [/quote]
I would pick Charles Poliquin hands down…just look at his record with elite athletes…HE HAS ONE.
In addition,just check out his site for the amount of pro and amateur athletes he has trained…DBT
Pwerlifting Comp, strength & size (Louie)
Oly lifting lifting/Bodybuilding Comp. (Christian)
MMA/Martial Arts (Alwyn)
Have drinks and pick up chicks after the workout (Chad)
I’d personally go with Coach Poliquin. I also agree that there are quite a few super competent coaches who just don’t market themselves that well so their name doesn’t get much recognition. Nelson Ayotte (who was mentionned earlier) is fantastic, so are Pierre Roy and Andrei Kulezcha, to name a few.
I thought I’d add a few thoughts and comments based on some of the replies I’ve seen to this post:
As someone wisely pointed out, there are indeed many talented coaches who are unknown because they choose not to publicize themselves
Some S&C coaches excel with athletes of a specific sport, but may not have the same skills or experience with athletes in other sports.
Be careful of a coach’s client list. Often, a coach will work with an athlete one time, or consult with him/her over the phone, and then add the client to his resume. Similarly, coaches don’t always include well known losing athletes on their resume’s for obvious reasons.
On a similar vein, sometimes a winning athlete may have aquired his/her skills prior to working with the S&C who lists this athlete on his resume.
Don’t be overly impressed withS&C coaches with big-name athletes to his credit- some of the best coaches are those who take average athletes and turn them into “good” athletes.
Some S&C coaches are better known for their practical experience and knowledge, others have made contributions to the theoretical aspects of the field. Both are important.
There are well-known coaches with very specific areas of expertise- for example, programming, biomechanics, or motivating their charges.
Hopefully these examples ilustrate the difficulty of picking the “best” S&C coach
[quote]IHateGymMorons wrote:
Please only choose from these names. I don’t want anyone inserting their high school coach’s name in here.
Here’s the criteria… If you wanted to look GREAT, play a sport at an elite level, and you wanted to be freaky strong and avoid injury. Who would you choose???
I was fortunate enough to train with him over the holidays and set a PB in the close grip. Great workout…great guy…fantastic trainer…Looking forward to another session with him soon.
Let’s go ahead (though it has nothing to do with the poll) and pay homage to these coaches as well.
Here’s some names to get you going… Steve Jvorak, Nelson Ayotte, Vince Gironda, Mike Woicik, Charles Glass, Charlie Francis etc…
It’s just a stupid poll. I didn’t post it so everyone could mention everyone else and pat them on the back. Geez.
By leaving out names such as John Berardi’s and others, I didn’t mean to hurt anyone’s feelings.
To CaliFag… are you actually implying that Charles Poliquin and others have never trained elite athletes? Define elite. If you want to talk about elite athletes, start your own thread.
[quote]Charles Staley wrote:
I thought I’d add a few thoughts and comments based on some of the replies I’ve seen to this post:
As someone wisely pointed out, there are indeed many talented coaches who are unknown because they choose not to publicize themselves
Some S&C coaches excel with athletes of a specific sport, but may not have the same skills or experience with athletes in other sports.
Charles, I agree wholeheartedly. Some coaches become “good” merely by association. My poll could’ve been worded better. I don’t the “BEST” of all time, I just mean the most well rounded that might be capable of training effectively for whatever the goal is. No doubt these coaches all have areas of expertise.
You’re great and I vote for you!!! Well, and a few others. ha, it’s hard to make my mind up
Be careful of a coach’s client list. Often, a coach will work with an athlete one time, or consult with him/her over the phone, and then add the client to his resume. Similarly, coaches don’t always include well known losing athletes on their resume’s for obvious reasons.
On a similar vein, sometimes a winning athlete may have aquired his/her skills prior to working with the S&C who lists this athlete on his resume.
Don’t be overly impressed withS&C coaches with big-name athletes to his credit- some of the best coaches are those who take average athletes and turn them into “good” athletes.
Some S&C coaches are better known for their practical experience and knowledge, others have made contributions to the theoretical aspects of the field. Both are important.
There are well-known coaches with very specific areas of expertise- for example, programming, biomechanics, or motivating their charges.
Hopefully these examples ilustrate the difficulty of picking the “best” S&C coach
IHateGymMorons wrote:
Please only choose from these names. I don’t want anyone inserting their high school coach’s name in here.
Here’s the criteria… If you wanted to look GREAT, play a sport at an elite level, and you wanted to be freaky strong and avoid injury. Who would you choose???
belligerent wrote:
with all due respect to the aforementioned coaches, there are a lot of successful guys in the world who just don’t promote themselves enough to have T-Nation visibility
