Set up and technique are the most important parts of throwing. Your hips have to be lower than your opponents, and you have to move theirs.
You need a moving person to practice with. With marginal technique and set up you’re likely to get folded up and beaten very badly.
Yeah as said 10 times already technique and skill are king
Perfect world get a barbell and get your deadlift up. As a minimum get some TRX type accessory and a few heavy kettlebells and get bull strong from all angles and also become a pullup monster especially from a dead hang. Dan John has loads of drills for loaded carries also…
This is a video of GiI Castillo doing a bit of grappling/wrestling sparing with an NFL player. Two things to consider: Gil the smaller guy is 170lb. The larger guy is 250 ish from the NFL data base.
The Bigger guy will be massively stronger that Gil as he’s professional NFL player at the time. The NFL player is also (likely) to have had some / lots of wrestling experience from high school. Also the fact is BJJ is not about throws or take downs.
Everything is in the NFL players favour to pick up and throw the smaller man. But is not on. Even limited experience of avoid throws negates massive strength and size advantages.
If you want to physically pick people up and manoeuvre them - get skilful.
That’s a very nice vid even though it’s been filmed by a soviet lawnmower (the one driven by potatoes).
Yes, technique is king. However, the giant guy here has some nice moments at the beginning, where he probably could’ve gnp’ed the smaller man’s teeth in. Clearly pure BJJ is not the answer anymore.
Technique is also harder and harder to hone. Kong is already big and strong and the question is more how he should approach his training in order to maximise his hulksmash with the resources he already has (strength + technique from MA days). Just saying “train with elite grapplers for ten years” feels a bit cheap.
To me, it seems useful to check out the technique of successful MMA wrestlers whose bodytype and dispositions you share.
If you’re tall and massive you could try for a power double like Lesnar. If you’re rather stocky and love Popeyes, study Cormier’s high crotch single leg.
I know most techies here love to frown about convergent exercises, but I absolutely stand by my recommendation (it’s actually easier to get transfer from weights with throws than with strikes):
High pulls in all variations. One arm pulling = great. Perfect cleans with immaculate catching = nearly useless.
The video comes from the DVD of UFC 40 when Gil fought Matt Hughes.
On the DVD its much better. And you’re right. If that was a MMA fight - then the guy underneath would have been eaten alive. Which is why I presume Gil lost. Good fighter but not MMA. BJJ only.
Yeah weights transfer more to grappling that striking. However trying to get better an picking up and dumping a man buy just getting strong is like trying to be come a better shot by practising with a water pistol.
And you don’t need to train for years. 6 months with the right guys doing the right things.
This is some of the dumbest shit you’ve ever read? Truly?
I don’t know which tibetan monastic intranet you’ve grown up with, because this is all fairly harmless.
Start here
Well, maybe it is good I checked in here with this thread.
No, I don’t have extra curricular high school wrestling experience, I just did it part of one year in regular class. I did well for what it was, but that is all i can say.
I was thinking of switching to my 125lbs bag, that I am otherwise keeping pristine inside, but maybe I am hearing it won’t make a tangible difference.
More to what i originally was intending to ask is: might I shoot in and grab a single leg with my own hips low and be able to get a man at least off balance significantly? Or might I shoot in hard for a power double, and if i succeed at buckling his knees and have a good grip maybe lift him for some degree of drop?
do realize that my bag lifting routine is partially unilateral. I lift my body with the 100lb bag first with my left leg, and the next lift is the right.
Then again, this thread seems to have lot of answer already, I just can’t resist musing some more.
Sorry, I was typing when this answer came in.
I wasn’t pissed off in the first place, maybe somebody ought to tell some sense to me. I realize this board is among the people found in the real world, and so it goes.
It hurts my heart to admit the truth of this statement, at least for many sport grappling schools that fly the flag of BJJ. However, if you have access to a school or an instructor that teaches BJJ as a fighting art, as it was originally intended, you will be spending a great deal of time on your feet. Brazilian Jiu Jitsu as I’ve learned it is VERY much about throws and takedowns, along with sprawling and other takedown defenses, strike management and clinch work.
In my opinion it is absurd to say that you study BJJ without being proficient in stand-up, but that’s another discussion. Plenty of people like to roll around on the ground in pajamas and call it BJJ.
Relating to my post above, I would argue the opposite. I would consider “Pure” BJJ to be the fighting art that seeks to address all aspects of a struggle, including stand-up. Throws, takedowns, takedown defense, footwork, sprawling, basic striking, making safe from strikes and work in the clinch are all addressed and given just as much mat time as ground work in “pure” BJJ, at least for your first few years.
This is how it was taught for generations before it became a popular sport, which de-prioritized the elements of training that do not provide a good ROI for sport competitors but actually work in a violent struggle against another person.
No. Shooting is a great way to get your face kneed/kicked in, your back stabbed the shit out of or just handing someone your head in general.
For non striking engagement, my favorite go to in bar/drug fights was to move in to grapple, pull their left arm down while throwing their right, sidestep and drop to my left, lock around their waist and send 'em.
BUT that is My plan. I already know it, I know I’m an in fighter/grappler with X years of practice, that big guys come in high, etc. etc. etc., and the whole thing happens in less than a second.
The simple fact is that violence is not for everybody, and if you are pretty far along in life, maybe it’s just not a good idea.
There’s nothing wrong with not being good at it. Believe me. I spent my late teens and entire 20’s in and out of jail and on probation being “good” at it.
I don’t mean any disrespect, but if you’re involving yourself in violence and ending up in jail, that’s not what I’d call being good at handling violence. I have no doubt you were a good fighter, but getting tied up in the legal system is a really bad outcome for a person who wants to involve himself with violence.
I’ve had at least a dozen incidents where I’ve put hands on another person and dealt with the cops afterwards, all recorded on security footage, never once being on the wrong side of the law. That doesn’t make me some ultimate badass, but it does make me a guy who has come out on top repeatedly and never gone to jail because of it.
Like my jiu jistsu instructor says, you’re usually either starting from a bad position or committing assault. Not to discount your fighting skills and experience, but in today’s world where you can almost count on everything being filmed, you have to act with a level of mindfulness and a measured response if you are interested in staying out of jail or not getting sued.
Of course, if you don’t care about any of those consequences, picking a dude up and slamming him on the ground might meet all sorts of personal goals for the OP. Jail has been known to harden a dude up, and there’s nothing like an incarceration story to liven up an otherwise dull party.
This is a very true statement. I’m almost ready to hang up my bouncing hat. I’m 39 and had to wrestle with a really strong guy in his early 20’s last week. Snowboard instructor who does all kinds of flips and shit, lifts weights, way more athletic than me, drunk as a skunk and coked-up to the gills. I got by on technique, strength, sobriety and good judgement, but not much else. The kid was a handful for sure, all full of rage and irrational behavior. If the whistle had blown and we would have scrapped for real I think I would have come out on top, but it’s entirely likely I would have taken some damage. It’s even possible I would have gotten my ass handed to me, especially since he had a lot of buddies in the bar.
There’s nothing quite like violence to make you feel alive. I think I’m close to my fill point, though. Sex is better.
None taken. That’s why I used quotes.
Which brings us to the consequences. Let’s say Kong is in great shape, gets schooled up, has some greats skills and does run into the potential slamee again. Just like in all of the imaginary scenarios he rag dolls the guy like Brock Lesnar vs. Big Bird. Except in real life there are concrete curbs, glass, parking meters, etc. And the slamee ends up actually getting really badly injured.
Now comes possible jail time, potential loss of employment, attorneys fees, restitution etc. It makes a big mess out of things.
Also, sounds like you met the young version of me the other night.
Could be some relation, who knows? After it all went down and someone convinced him to take a ride home before I called the cops to give him a ride, I had all these people tell me what a great guy he his when he’s not drunk and on drugs. This wasn’t the first time he’s acted like an asshole at the bar, so I did him a favor and put him on the banned list for three months. Into the penalty box.
Now he can get back to being a great guy somewhere besides the bar.
It boggles my mind every time I watch a dumbass get arrested for bar fights. It’s all over meaningless bullshit, too.
This is easy enough if you have basic hand eye coordination and strength. Which a 100lb bag slam would help.
Hard. Really really hard. Needs lot of practise…
I hope I’ve helped 
Ha - a man that knows.
I trained with a Renzo Blue belt and then had a saying in the gym. Land in the position that leads to the submission. He CLEARLY believes BJJ starts on your feet.
I train at a sport grappling school for the time being, but I have a LOT of mat time with guys who are from Renzo’s lineage. That’s where I’ve learned the best parts of my jiu jitsu, almost all of my stand-up work and all of the stuff I’ve actually used as a bouncer.
I agree with your old training partner that landing in a dominant position is good, but putting the guy on his ass while you’re still on your feet is even better in most situations. I’ve only gone to the ground as a bouncer once, and it was the last guy in the bar with nobody else in play.
I feel like jiu jitsu is at a point where there needs to be separate names for schools that teach you how to fight versus schools who teach you how to roll. They may have overlapping techniques, but they are different martial arts, both flying the flag of BJJ. The sport schools are flying that flag because of the long line of fighters who’ve put up in all kinds of circumstances, giving their students the impression that training there will prepare them for violence in addition to winning all of the tournaments with their various rule sets. It is false advertising, in my opinion.
I’m ranting now.
Back on-topic. If Kong is not worried about assault charges or civil suits, I suppose his training routine might be adequate. If he can sneak up behind the guy, lift him up and turn his body sideways, he could probably achieve his goal of body-slamming a 230 pound dude.
Surprise would be the key to making this all work.
I’m thinking after reading the"assassination" thread that he just needs that to train him 
