Physique Clinic discussion for USCTrojan619

[quote]ZeusNathan wrote:
no post workout stretching?

should there be ANY stretching involved? because I usually feel better if i stretch after a workout.

very confused :S[/quote]

Maybe Thibs didn’t want to risk USC doing ballistic stretching and injuring himself? Static stretching can’t be all that bad, and I do feel better when I do them post-workout.

Can someone chime in please on why Coach Thibs has USCTrojan619 not eat many grains such as whole wheat, barley, buckwheat, etc. I thought those complex carbs are good for rebuilding after workouts and for energy. It seems to me that there are a lot of fruits and vegetables in his diet which is good, but they do not have much energy. Maybe I’m missing something.

[quote]kgrig wrote:
Can someone chime in please on why Coach Thibs has USCTrojan619 not eat many grains such as whole wheat, barley, buckwheat, etc. I thought those complex carbs are good for rebuilding after workouts and for energy. It seems to me that there are a lot of fruits and vegetables in his diet which is good, but they do not have much energy. Maybe I’m missing something.[/quote]

Could be a digestion concern. You probably get the energy from fruit faster than from grains.
Also could be wheat intolerance. I know some authors on here are anti-oats because apparently alot of westerners are intolerant.

Bottom line: Fruit and Vegetables are a much cleaner carb source.

It is very refreshing to hear that someone else has a hard time eating all the food they need. Your dedication to the diet has inspired me to really up my calorie intake.

Curious about rolling (self myofascial release) after workouts. Does this fall under the same category as stretching?

I will be following along on your journey.

Thanks.

[quote]BF Bullpup wrote:
ZeusNathan wrote:
no post workout stretching?

should there be ANY stretching involved? because I usually feel better if i stretch after a workout.

very confused :S

Maybe Thibs didn’t want to risk USC doing ballistic stretching and injuring himself? Static stretching can’t be all that bad, and I do feel better when I do them post-workout.[/quote]

Some coaches REALLY disagree with the benefits of static stretching.

That being said, I like to stretch in between sets because I think it help loosen the fascia tissue allowing the muscle to grow.

[quote]Half_Truth wrote:
kgrig wrote:
Can someone chime in please on why Coach Thibs has USCTrojan619 not eat many grains such as whole wheat, barley, buckwheat, etc. I thought those complex carbs are good for rebuilding after workouts and for energy. It seems to me that there are a lot of fruits and vegetables in his diet which is good, but they do not have much energy. Maybe I’m missing something.

Could be a digestion concern. You probably get the energy from fruit faster than from grains.
Also could be wheat intolerance. I know some authors on here are anti-oats because apparently alot of westerners are intolerant.

Bottom line: Fruit and Vegetables are a much cleaner carb source.
[/quote]

You guys are all talking about stuff that interests me today… I stopped eating wheat (all gluten products actually) only a month ago and my god do I feel better. Yams are an awesome carb source, but I hate them, so I stick with potatoes and rice, vegetables, fruits and berries.

Thibs wants to create an insulin response after the workout, so he’ll go for simpler carbs as well: oranges and Surge are ideal in this sense. Complex carbs would not create as big of an insulin response.

Looking forward to those new pics USC, make sure to do some proper poses with good lighting, like Thibs was bitching at CrewPierce for.

Stay strong bro!

[quote]kgrig wrote:
Can someone chime in please on why Coach Thibs has USCTrojan619 not eat many grains such as whole wheat, barley, buckwheat, etc. I thought those complex carbs are good for rebuilding after workouts and for energy. It seems to me that there are a lot of fruits and vegetables in his diet which is good, but they do not have much energy. Maybe I’m missing something.[/quote]

yea but you have to realize the majority of people in this world are allergic to wheat :S
i myself break out some what if i have wheat. along with fatigue.
perhaps its because im korean… so i stick to my white rice

Btw, are there any people here with almost thesame body as USCTrojan619, but don’t have the “ecto” metabolism?

USC,

What dosage of Alpha Male are you taking? 1 pill 2x daily or 2 pills 2x daily?

I’ve been taking 1 pill 2x daily (it’s only been a week though) and do not notice anything. Am thinking of upping it to 2 pills since, in general, it takes me a higher dosage of everything to notice results.

Let me know please!

[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
USC,

What dosage of Alpha Male are you taking? 1 pill 2x daily or 2 pills 2x daily?

I’ve been taking 1 pill 2x daily (it’s only been a week though) and do not notice anything. Am thinking of upping it to 2 pills since, in general, it takes me a higher dosage of everything to notice results.

Let me know please! [/quote]

Personally I always had great results with tribulus-based products, especially the old TRIBEX and Alpha Male but I too noticed that I always got better results when I doubled or tripled the dose.

[quote]mithious wrote:
Thibs wants to create an insulin response after the workout, so he’ll go for simpler carbs as well: oranges and Surge are ideal in this sense. Complex carbs would not create as big of an insulin response.

Looking forward to those new pics USC, make sure to do some proper poses with good lighting, like Thibs was bitching at CrewPierce for.

Stay strong bro![/quote]

  1. Well you are partially right with the insulin response. It is one of the reasons why SURGE recovery is so effective: it spikes insulin which drives nutrients to the muscle after the workout. HOWEVER it is not the reason for using oranges since oranges actually provide a super small insulin response. Oranges have a glycemic index of 30 (very low) so they will not contribute to an insulin spike.

The main reason for the inclusion of oranges is the cortisol-lowering properties of vitamin C.

‘‘Why not just use vitamin C pills Thib?’’, because vitamins are better absorbed from their natural source which also provides the right co-factors.

  1. Regarding the pics, I wouldn’t expect much change in less than 2 weeks. At the most he gained 1 - 1.25lbs of muscle which will not really be noticeable. Someone on a fat loss diet will see fast results, but it takes weeks and months for someone on a muscle gain phase to see a significant difference.

USC Trojan, regarding your issues with shrimp in the diet, I have found the tastiest and most convenient way to consume shrimp is using a simple ceviche recipe. Its basically a simple citrus based marinade like this one:
http://www.recipezaar.com/111154

I make a large stockpile of this and just leave it in the fridge and consume as needed. The recipe can be used for Tilapia and other fish aswell and is traditionally left raw to be cooked by the juices themselves. No need to debate if this is healthy or not though, if in doubt use a precooked frozen shrimp variety, pile it in a container and your prep / taste issue are over bud. Since its simple citrus juices and herbs / peppers there is little to compromise your macronutrient ratios.

hey USC

how long does it take you to eat your meals?
i just read this article
http://www.T-Nation.com/readArticle.do?id=1815343&cr=
it basically tells you that when your eating it takes your body 20mins to feel full.

so how about shoving everything in fast! before your body realizes its full!
hmmm or maybe your already feeling full before your meals?

Hey Trojan, keep up the good work.

With regards to the stretching thing, I think, especially on a muscle gaining phase you are pretty much tearing up as much muscle as you can with each workout so the body can adapt and grow.
Like the Coach says, if you stretch then you are causing more damage to the muscles and not allowing them to rest, so, in my humble opinion you have to treat lets say a leg workout as giving yourself a Grade 1 muscle strain, where you let the area rest for around 3-5 days before you do any stretching to it.

If you are reading this Coach or if you could Trojan, ask him what he thinks about contrast showering to the area during these phases. I am 99% sure they can aid in recovey, also, LIGHT massaging to the area, would probably benefit you rather than stretches.

For warm ups, I basically go to the hardest exercise on the plan and do about two sets at a really low weight just to get used to what I’m about to do + it actively streches you and warms you up. I can’t believe I see some people doing 20mins jogging before doing the typical chest and biceps workout.

Anyway that was my rant on your Physique Clinic.
BTW: I did the leg workout yesterday. Can bearly walk. Good luck.

[quote]
F. Romanian deadlift - Barbell
*1st set: 115/10, 115/6
*2nd set: 120/9, 120/4 [/quote]

Hey man,

Can you explain that workout designation?

To me, that looks like 4 sets instead of two.

Set 1: 115/10 reps
Set 2: 115/6 reps
Set 3: 120/9 reps
Set 4: 120/4 reps

Did I read that wrong? Sorry, just learning some of this stuff still…

[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:

F. Romanian deadlift - Barbell
*1st set: 115/10, 115/6
*2nd set: 120/9, 120/4

Hey man,

Can you explain that workout designation?

To me, that looks like 4 sets instead of two.

Set 1: 115/10 reps
Set 2: 115/6 reps
Set 3: 120/9 reps
Set 4: 120/4 reps

Did I read that wrong? Sorry, just learning some of this stuff still…[/quote]

Ponce, if you look at the adjustments for that exercise, its 8-10 to failure, rest 10-12 seconds, and then more reps to failure. That’s what the two sets of numbers mean PER set.

I just don’t put the adjustments on when I post my workouts because it would take FOREVER to make my posts. I type out all my stuff all the time from scratch. . diet. . .workouts. . .everything, and never copy and paste.

[quote]silly wrote:
hey USC

how long does it take you to eat your meals?
i just read this article
http://www.T-Nation.com/readArticle.do?id=1815343&cr=
it basically tells you that when your eating it takes your body 20mins to feel full.

so how about shoving everything in fast! before your body realizes its full!
hmmm or maybe your already feeling full before your meals?[/quote]

I actually watched that on some TV show on New Year’s. I swear, almost all talk shows were about diets, losing weight. . .blah, blah, blah. And a diet expert mentioned that 20 minutes thing. Suffice to say, I’m trying to eat pretty quickly, but still chewing my food as well as possible. I pretty much eat my whole food within that time frame, and just have my shake to drink, unless its one of those days where I just can eat anything.

[quote]Manny Fresh wrote:
USC Trojan, regarding your issues with shrimp in the diet, I have found the tastiest and most convenient way to consume shrimp is using a simple ceviche recipe. Its basically a simple citrus based marinade like this one:
http://www.recipezaar.com/111154

I make a large stockpile of this and just leave it in the fridge and consume as needed. The recipe can be used for Tilapia and other fish aswell and is traditionally left raw to be cooked by the juices themselves. No need to debate if this is healthy or not though, if in doubt use a precooked frozen shrimp variety, pile it in a container and your prep / taste issue are over bud. Since its simple citrus juices and herbs / peppers there is little to compromise your macronutrient ratios.[/quote]

Manny Fresh,

Thanks for this, bro! If I ever get bored of baking/broiling my fish, I’ll try this. Right now, its hitting the spot.

If I can ever come to stomach shrimp again, I’ll go ahead and do this as well. Haha!

Gook lookin’ out!

[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
USC,

What dosage of Alpha Male are you taking? 1 pill 2x daily or 2 pills 2x daily?

I’ve been taking 1 pill 2x daily (it’s only been a week though) and do not notice anything. Am thinking of upping it to 2 pills since, in general, it takes me a higher dosage of everything to notice results.

Let me know please! [/quote]

I’m taking the max dosage on the label, which is two pills at a time.

So, I’m doing the 5/2 cycle (M-F on, Sat-Sun off). 2 pills in the morning before/with breakfast, and then another 2 pills 6-8 hours later, which usually falls on my 2nd snack.

I also noticed that the label said that it’ll take up to 4 weeks for the “full” effects.

[quote]Patriek wrote:
Btw, are there any people here with almost thesame body as USCTrojan619, but don’t have the “ecto” metabolism?[/quote]

At my age, I don’t think I have an “ecto” metabolism anymore either. I certainly think its a lot better than other people my age, but I also know that it has slowed down a little from a few years back–the birth of my “love handles”. Haha!