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[quote]ADvanced TS wrote:

[quote]admbaum wrote:
Compassion, remorse, and dignity are all human traits. If you kill a chicken do the other chicken hover around their dead or sumfin? If they do, I’ve never seen it. Ever seen a pig eat another pig? Do you think that animals demonstrate a degree of dignity to other animals? If I drop a turkey out in the wild, the other turkeys run away. Far away. You guys aren’t really presenting a valid argument to back up your opinions.

FTR: I have no dogs, cats or other pets. If I did have a dog, it would live like a dog. Outside in a doghouse, ready and willing to serve my bidding.

Also FTR: if you believe the garbage they serve at KFC and McDoDo’s is quality meat, I dont know what to tell you. The highest quality meat you can get is the meat you get from animals in the wild.

One more point: Native Americans cut the hearts out of their kills sometimes while the heart was still beating. The only way to ensure there is no pain to the animal is to go for an apricot shot…severing the medulla oblongata…a head shot. I took a deer once (it was tasty)…heart/lung shot at 225yds, it was still breathing when I walked up on it about 45 minutes later. Its true hunters go for a clean kill, but the reality is that you may not get clean kills every time. Hunting is a valid topic to bring up in talking about meat. Isnt the topic of this thread about Vegans and how full of shit they are? All the points vegans try to make can be countered by suggesting going out and getting meat for yourself like our ancestors did thousands of years before grocery stores and commercial harvesting. Can you live without a grocery store? I can. We all should, even the ladies.[/quote]

  1. You didn’t take the time to answer any of my questions. So I won’t intelligently address yours.

  2. Your argument has drifted very far away from my point of not supporting animal cruelty in slaughter houses. If you can’t see the difference between that and hunting, I can’t help you. You lose me with the whole turkeys running away analogy.[/quote]
    i wouldn’t waste your time man.

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I’m starting to get confused over who said what. There are too many ghey hats on avatars around here.

lol

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
I’m starting to get confused over who said what. There are too many ghey hats on avatars around here.

lol[/quote]

Your’s is the gheyest, boss man.

Ha.

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This thread was useful, I learned adambaum is a complete tool.

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[quote]SSC wrote:
This thread was useful, I learned adambaum is a complete tool.[/quote]
that does seem to be the take home message here.

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[quote]iamthewolf wrote:

[quote]SSC wrote:
This thread was useful, I learned adambaum is a complete tool.[/quote]
that does seem to be the take home message here.[/quote]

Now you know.

And knowing is half the battle.

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Admbbaum is a tool? Really you guys are the tools. Animals are animals and nowhere did he say he condone animal torture. For the record my dog had his hip broken by a car just a month ago so I had to put him down the Old yeller way, which really broke my heart? Am I Imhumane?

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I read the title of this thread as “PETA pervert”. LOL!!!
I suck and I’m bored.

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[quote]jre67t wrote:
Am I Imhumane? [/quote]

No, but you are a terrible speller.

But I digress.

Defining if an animal has died with or without dignity is a purely subjective matter. I have been a hunter since about age 8. Squirrels, rabbits, hogs, deer, fish, etc. I’ve killed all of them. I’ve also raised livestock which was then slaughtered and some of it I slaughtered myself. In other words, I’ve watched a lot of critters die.

In my opinion dignity would mean the animal is killed in a RELATIVELY quick and painless as possible manner and it did not die just so I could see it die. Its death had some purpose and served some good, be it feeding someone, clothing someone, or providing a product that could save someones life. Killing something just to put a head on a wall and no meat in the freezer has no dignity.

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[quote]ADvanced TS wrote:

[quote]admbaum wrote:

[quote]ADvanced TS wrote:
PETA loses me with the vegan shit.

You can still eat animals that were killed in a dignified manner.

FTR, I do not eat at KFC or McD’s because of their practices in slaughtering chickens. Watch the video on PETA’s website, it will turn your stomach.[/quote]

Dignified manner? Tell me you’re joking. They are animals for use as fuel for our bodies. You should’ve seen the way my GRANDMOTHER would twirl a chickens head till it popped off. At first, it freaked me out. That was until that same chicken ended up on a plate cooked and tasty in front of me. Stop humanizing animals and learn to hunt. We didnt make it to the top of the food chain to graze like cattle.

[/quote]

Did your grandmother rip its beak off while it was still alive? Did she kick the chicken around the house before killing it? Did she throw it in boling water while still alive?

Did you watch the videos or google Vigil Butler like I suggested, or are you spouting off the first alpha as fuck, bro-nonsense you could think of?

I eat animals, I’ve killed animals. Never have I tortured them nor will I knowingly support any company/institution that does. An animal deserves the quickest most painless death possible, as do all living things.

What about that don’t you agree with?
[/quote]

lemme answer you more directly:

The problem you have with slaughterhouses have nothing to do with slaughterhouses themselves and everything to do with the people that run them. Do I acknowledge the fact that animals are mistreated in these places? Yes, I do. Do I also despise poaching? Yes I do. There’s evil and evil people in the world man, get used to it. Your little stand against the corporate machine is retarded. They will still make money regardless of your contribution. Accept it and learn a way around it.

People that torture animals for the fun of it deserve equal treatment and need to be removed from society. I really hope you dont assume I condone animal cruelty in any way. The way you implied animals be dignified immediately put an image of a chicken blind folded with a cigarette standing on the firing line in my head. How do you dignify an animal you are going to eat? Last time I went to a slaughterhouse, I live in Texas and have hunted on a pig farm, the pigs got hit with an air powered, retractable bullet right to the dome. The rancher said the animal was gone before the bullet came back out. The place was run like a machine and the pigs lived better than they would have in the wild. They ate a mixture of grain, slop from local restraunts, and grass. The average size of wild pigs in Texas is around 100-150#'s. His pigs averaged around 300-350#'s and were very tasty.

How would you prefer animals be slaughtered? Given a sedative, a drug to destroy their lungs, and then their heart?

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Lethal injection in slaughter houses FTW!!!

Just kidding. There were some videos released recently of some fuck heads badly mistreating horse before they were slaughtered. Unbelievable, how someone can be cruel to something defenseless.

As a hunter I can only prey for a quick kill everytime. These slaughter houses seem to be run like businesses, and as such should be looking for ways to be more effecient. I would think just cutting a chicken’s head off and being done with it is more humane then torturing if first. These people are just fucked up.

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On a funny note, my grandfather owned a farm, and used to slaughter chickens, pigs and cows. They had this huge bull that they were putting down. They used to lead the cows out through the barn, and my grandfather would jump out and smash them in the head with a sledge, knocking them out, then slit their throats. Anyways, this bull, no one could haul it anywheres, it just stood wherever it wanted.

So my grandfather and his brothers get the idea they are going to shoot this fucker. Hes just gonna walk right up to it, put a rifle to his head and shoot him. So my grandfather loads up a 30-30, hops the fence, walks right up to the bull, puts the barrell right between his eys and pulls the trigger. POW!!! The fucking bulls knees wobble a bit, then he just gives the great big snort and paws the ground.

Ive never seen a group of old men run so fast in my life!! They ended up using a .303 and killing it from the back porch, but the fucking bullet fromt he original shot was just embedded in the bulls skull.

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[quote]admbaum wrote:
Compassion, remorse, and dignity are all human traits. If you kill a chicken do the other chicken hover around their dead or sumfin? If they do, I’ve never seen it. Ever seen a pig eat another pig? Do you think that animals demonstrate a degree of dignity to other animals? If I drop a turkey out in the wild, the other turkeys run away. Far away. You guys aren’t really presenting a valid argument to back up your opinions.

FTR: I have no dogs, cats or other pets. If I did have a dog, it would live like a dog. Outside in a doghouse, ready and willing to serve my bidding.

Also FTR: if you believe the garbage they serve at KFC and McDoDo’s is quality meat, I dont know what to tell you. The highest quality meat you can get is the meat you get from animals in the wild.

One more point: Native Americans cut the hearts out of their kills sometimes while the heart was still beating. The only way to ensure there is no pain to the animal is to go for an apricot shot…severing the medulla oblongata…a head shot. I took a deer once (it was tasty)…heart/lung shot at 225yds, it was still breathing when I walked up on it about 45 minutes later. Its true hunters go for a clean kill, but the reality is that you may not get clean kills every time. Hunting is a valid topic to bring up in talking about meat. Isnt the topic of this thread about Vegans and how full of shit they are? All the points vegans try to make can be countered by suggesting going out and getting meat for yourself like our ancestors did thousands of years before grocery stores and commercial harvesting. Can you live without a grocery store? I can. We all should, even the ladies.[/quote]

These dogs sleep in the bed with me and I somehow do their bidding.

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Ya know, I don’t think I’ve ever met a vegetarian/vegan woman…

Score one for the South!

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[quote]Nards wrote:

[quote]admbaum wrote:
Compassion, remorse, and dignity are all human traits. If you kill a chicken do the other chicken hover around their dead or sumfin? If they do, I’ve never seen it. Ever seen a pig eat another pig? Do you think that animals demonstrate a degree of dignity to other animals? If I drop a turkey out in the wild, the other turkeys run away. Far away. You guys aren’t really presenting a valid argument to back up your opinions.

FTR: I have no dogs, cats or other pets. If I did have a dog, it would live like a dog. Outside in a doghouse, ready and willing to serve my bidding.

Also FTR: if you believe the garbage they serve at KFC and McDoDo’s is quality meat, I dont know what to tell you. The highest quality meat you can get is the meat you get from animals in the wild.

One more point: Native Americans cut the hearts out of their kills sometimes while the heart was still beating. The only way to ensure there is no pain to the animal is to go for an apricot shot…severing the medulla oblongata…a head shot. I took a deer once (it was tasty)…heart/lung shot at 225yds, it was still breathing when I walked up on it about 45 minutes later. Its true hunters go for a clean kill, but the reality is that you may not get clean kills every time. Hunting is a valid topic to bring up in talking about meat. Isnt the topic of this thread about Vegans and how full of shit they are? All the points vegans try to make can be countered by suggesting going out and getting meat for yourself like our ancestors did thousands of years before grocery stores and commercial harvesting. Can you live without a grocery store? I can. We all should, even the ladies.[/quote]

These dogs sleep in the bed with me and I somehow do their bidding.
[/quote]

Look at those eyes! you’re helplessly under their control Nards. Just face the facts… You never stood a chance

.greg.

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[quote]admbaum wrote:

[quote]ADvanced TS wrote:

[quote]admbaum wrote:

[quote]ADvanced TS wrote:
PETA loses me with the vegan shit.

You can still eat animals that were killed in a dignified manner.

FTR, I do not eat at KFC or McD’s because of their practices in slaughtering chickens. Watch the video on PETA’s website, it will turn your stomach.[/quote]

Dignified manner? Tell me you’re joking. They are animals for use as fuel for our bodies. You should’ve seen the way my GRANDMOTHER would twirl a chickens head till it popped off. At first, it freaked me out. That was until that same chicken ended up on a plate cooked and tasty in front of me. Stop humanizing animals and learn to hunt. We didnt make it to the top of the food chain to graze like cattle.

[/quote]

Did your grandmother rip its beak off while it was still alive? Did she kick the chicken around the house before killing it? Did she throw it in boling water while still alive?

Did you watch the videos or google Vigil Butler like I suggested, or are you spouting off the first alpha as fuck, bro-nonsense you could think of?

I eat animals, I’ve killed animals. Never have I tortured them nor will I knowingly support any company/institution that does. An animal deserves the quickest most painless death possible, as do all living things.

What about that don’t you agree with?
[/quote]

lemme answer you more directly:

The problem you have with slaughterhouses have nothing to do with slaughterhouses themselves and everything to do with the people that run them. Do I acknowledge the fact that animals are mistreated in these places? Yes, I do. Do I also despise poaching? Yes I do. There’s evil and evil people in the world man, get used to it. Your little stand against the corporate machine is retarded. They will still make money regardless of your contribution. Accept it and learn a way around it.

People that torture animals for the fun of it deserve equal treatment and need to be removed from society. I really hope you dont assume I condone animal cruelty in any way. The way you implied animals be dignified immediately put an image of a chicken blind folded with a cigarette standing on the firing line in my head. How do you dignify an animal you are going to eat? Last time I went to a slaughterhouse, I live in Texas and have hunted on a pig farm, the pigs got hit with an air powered, retractable bullet right to the dome. The rancher said the animal was gone before the bullet came back out. The place was run like a machine and the pigs lived better than they would have in the wild. They ate a mixture of grain, slop from local restraunts, and grass. The average size of wild pigs in Texas is around 100-150#'s. His pigs averaged around 300-350#'s and were very tasty.

How would you prefer animals be slaughtered? Given a sedative, a drug to destroy their lungs, and then their heart?[/quote]

I’m not here to convince you on what or what not to eat.

I’ll repeat from the first page: “An animal deserves the quickest most painless death possible, as do all living things.”

The retractable bullet ala “No Country For Old Men” sounds quick and painless. I have no problem with that and would gladly slice some bacon off of that dead pig’s back for breakfast.

Once again, not vegan, not vegetarian, just don’t condone animal cruelty. Do you understand that?

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Nards wrote:

[quote]admbaum wrote:
Compassion, remorse, and dignity are all human traits. If you kill a chicken do the other chicken hover around their dead or sumfin? If they do, I’ve never seen it. Ever seen a pig eat another pig? Do you think that animals demonstrate a degree of dignity to other animals? If I drop a turkey out in the wild, the other turkeys run away. Far away. You guys aren’t really presenting a valid argument to back up your opinions.

FTR: I have no dogs, cats or other pets. If I did have a dog, it would live like a dog. Outside in a doghouse, ready and willing to serve my bidding.

Also FTR: if you believe the garbage they serve at KFC and McDoDo’s is quality meat, I dont know what to tell you. The highest quality meat you can get is the meat you get from animals in the wild.

One more point: Native Americans cut the hearts out of their kills sometimes while the heart was still beating. The only way to ensure there is no pain to the animal is to go for an apricot shot…severing the medulla oblongata…a head shot. I took a deer once (it was tasty)…heart/lung shot at 225yds, it was still breathing when I walked up on it about 45 minutes later. Its true hunters go for a clean kill, but the reality is that you may not get clean kills every time. Hunting is a valid topic to bring up in talking about meat. Isnt the topic of this thread about Vegans and how full of shit they are? All the points vegans try to make can be countered by suggesting going out and getting meat for yourself like our ancestors did thousands of years before grocery stores and commercial harvesting. Can you live without a grocery store? I can. We all should, even the ladies.[/quote]

These dogs sleep in the bed with me and I somehow do their bidding.
[/quote]

Look at those eyes! you’re helplessly under their control Nards. Just face the facts… You never stood a chance

.greg.[/quote]

I’m glad you can understand!

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[quote]ADvanced TS wrote:

[quote]admbaum wrote:

[quote]ADvanced TS wrote:

[quote]admbaum wrote:

[quote]ADvanced TS wrote:
PETA loses me with the vegan shit.

You can still eat animals that were killed in a dignified manner.

FTR, I do not eat at KFC or McD’s because of their practices in slaughtering chickens. Watch the video on PETA’s website, it will turn your stomach.[/quote]

Dignified manner? Tell me you’re joking. They are animals for use as fuel for our bodies. You should’ve seen the way my GRANDMOTHER would twirl a chickens head till it popped off. At first, it freaked me out. That was until that same chicken ended up on a plate cooked and tasty in front of me. Stop humanizing animals and learn to hunt. We didnt make it to the top of the food chain to graze like cattle.

[/quote]

Did your grandmother rip its beak off while it was still alive? Did she kick the chicken around the house before killing it? Did she throw it in boling water while still alive?

Did you watch the videos or google Vigil Butler like I suggested, or are you spouting off the first alpha as fuck, bro-nonsense you could think of?

I eat animals, I’ve killed animals. Never have I tortured them nor will I knowingly support any company/institution that does. An animal deserves the quickest most painless death possible, as do all living things.

What about that don’t you agree with?
[/quote]

lemme answer you more directly:

The problem you have with slaughterhouses have nothing to do with slaughterhouses themselves and everything to do with the people that run them. Do I acknowledge the fact that animals are mistreated in these places? Yes, I do. Do I also despise poaching? Yes I do. There’s evil and evil people in the world man, get used to it. Your little stand against the corporate machine is retarded. They will still make money regardless of your contribution. Accept it and learn a way around it.

People that torture animals for the fun of it deserve equal treatment and need to be removed from society. I really hope you dont assume I condone animal cruelty in any way. The way you implied animals be dignified immediately put an image of a chicken blind folded with a cigarette standing on the firing line in my head. How do you dignify an animal you are going to eat? Last time I went to a slaughterhouse, I live in Texas and have hunted on a pig farm, the pigs got hit with an air powered, retractable bullet right to the dome. The rancher said the animal was gone before the bullet came back out. The place was run like a machine and the pigs lived better than they would have in the wild. They ate a mixture of grain, slop from local restraunts, and grass. The average size of wild pigs in Texas is around 100-150#'s. His pigs averaged around 300-350#'s and were very tasty.

How would you prefer animals be slaughtered? Given a sedative, a drug to destroy their lungs, and then their heart?[/quote]

I’m not here to convince you on what or what not to eat.

I’ll repeat from the first page: “An animal deserves the quickest most painless death possible, as do all living things.”

The retractable bullet ala “No Country For Old Men” sounds quick and painless. I have no problem with that and would gladly slice some bacon off of that dead pig’s back for breakfast.

Once again, not vegan, not vegetarian, just don’t condone animal cruelty. Do you understand that?[/quote]

Duly noted…ad nauseum

Do you eat lobster?

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[quote]admbaum wrote:

[quote]ADvanced TS wrote:

[quote]admbaum wrote:

[quote]ADvanced TS wrote:

[quote]admbaum wrote:

[quote]ADvanced TS wrote:
PETA loses me with the vegan shit.

You can still eat animals that were killed in a dignified manner.

FTR, I do not eat at KFC or McD’s because of their practices in slaughtering chickens. Watch the video on PETA’s website, it will turn your stomach.[/quote]

Dignified manner? Tell me you’re joking. They are animals for use as fuel for our bodies. You should’ve seen the way my GRANDMOTHER would twirl a chickens head till it popped off. At first, it freaked me out. That was until that same chicken ended up on a plate cooked and tasty in front of me. Stop humanizing animals and learn to hunt. We didnt make it to the top of the food chain to graze like cattle.

[/quote]

Did your grandmother rip its beak off while it was still alive? Did she kick the chicken around the house before killing it? Did she throw it in boling water while still alive?

Did you watch the videos or google Vigil Butler like I suggested, or are you spouting off the first alpha as fuck, bro-nonsense you could think of?

I eat animals, I’ve killed animals. Never have I tortured them nor will I knowingly support any company/institution that does. An animal deserves the quickest most painless death possible, as do all living things.

What about that don’t you agree with?
[/quote]

lemme answer you more directly:

The problem you have with slaughterhouses have nothing to do with slaughterhouses themselves and everything to do with the people that run them. Do I acknowledge the fact that animals are mistreated in these places? Yes, I do. Do I also despise poaching? Yes I do. There’s evil and evil people in the world man, get used to it. Your little stand against the corporate machine is retarded. They will still make money regardless of your contribution. Accept it and learn a way around it.

People that torture animals for the fun of it deserve equal treatment and need to be removed from society. I really hope you dont assume I condone animal cruelty in any way. The way you implied animals be dignified immediately put an image of a chicken blind folded with a cigarette standing on the firing line in my head. How do you dignify an animal you are going to eat? Last time I went to a slaughterhouse, I live in Texas and have hunted on a pig farm, the pigs got hit with an air powered, retractable bullet right to the dome. The rancher said the animal was gone before the bullet came back out. The place was run like a machine and the pigs lived better than they would have in the wild. They ate a mixture of grain, slop from local restraunts, and grass. The average size of wild pigs in Texas is around 100-150#'s. His pigs averaged around 300-350#'s and were very tasty.

How would you prefer animals be slaughtered? Given a sedative, a drug to destroy their lungs, and then their heart?[/quote]

I’m not here to convince you on what or what not to eat.

I’ll repeat from the first page: “An animal deserves the quickest most painless death possible, as do all living things.”

The retractable bullet ala “No Country For Old Men” sounds quick and painless. I have no problem with that and would gladly slice some bacon off of that dead pig’s back for breakfast.

Once again, not vegan, not vegetarian, just don’t condone animal cruelty. Do you understand that?[/quote]

Duly noted…ad nauseum

Do you eat lobster?[/quote]

Only if a prayer was said before killing it.

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not to be a dick about it, but you do know that lobsters, for the most part, are boiled alive? Prayer or no prayer.