Performance Enhancing Pathways to Gain Energy & Save Hair?

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Hello everyone I’m new here.
Looking forward to receiving great advice!

Recently I was prescribed TRT due to always feeling tired and got into the world of PED’s.

Currently I’m on Test E 200mg e4d
I wanted to add something to work synergistically as I still felt I don’t have enough energy during the day even though I sleep at least 8 hours a night and most of the time 10-11. I also quit coffee which helped but still not feeling as energetic as I was let’s say when I was 18. (I’m 27 now with business and family)

The thing is I am prone to androgenic balding so after reading a lot I pretty much ruled out every steroid (derivatives of T) and most androgenic sarms.

From my logic in order to further enhance my performance (not just in gym but also in life) and also not hurt my hair anymore (more then I already am with the T)
I conveyed a theory that I should hit other muscle building pathways.

That leaves me with hgh but It’s very expensive so I started also taking mk677 and recently peptide mix of GHRP-2 + MOD GRF 1-29.

I’m thinking of changing that mix to CJC - 1295DAC as I read from more plates more dates that it’s more synergistic with the MK.

I started Gaining a lot of weight but noticed too much fat and water so I want to take additionally SR9009 to keep my bulk going while keeping my BF% and insulin sensitivity in check.
For blood flow I take ginko Biloba which keeps me warm and my blood thin.

I am looking for substances that could further enhance me without feeling anxious or jittery so most stimulants are out.

When it comes to training I just do push ups pull ups and dips 4x a week sometimes squats

Diet is 3000cal a day with 160-220 grams of protein

Are there any more performance/muscle building pathways that I am not hitting?

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Have you tried doing more than push ups and pull ups?

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Yes I tried gym before but

  1. I feel quite injury prone I would always hurt my shoulder.
  2. As a child I used to do gymnastics and I like exercises that move my body around opposed to moving the weight around.
  3. Once I get more strong at those 3 I’m planning to add weighted vest. So far I’m just upping the numbers every workout to have some type of progressive overload.
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There’s nothing you can do about a genetic predisposition to hair loss, except stay off TRT, but as you age you will eventually start losing that hair anyway.

You may be overdosed on T, which can cause fatigue and low energy. You’re over 200 mg per week, definitely far from a typical TRT dosage.

Testosterone and more so, estrogen are the heavy hitters in muscle and performance arena. The other add-on are pocket change. Estrogen provides most of the benefits on TRT, as those crashing their estrogen levels on AI’s have found out the hard way!

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I try to keep my estrogen around 25 area with Egistrozole 0.5mg eod. On the days I don’t take it I have puffy nipples.

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A quality diet and training routine. Pushups, pullups and dips are not a training routine. That’s what I do on my days off when I take my kid to the park or playground.

Drop all the shit you listed above except TRT (true TRT) and if you’re feeling tired drink a cup of coffee. You’re 27 and taking an abundant amount of exogenous testosterone. You don’t need any more chemical interventions for your hormones. If you want to enhance your “muscle building pathways”, start training properly.

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That’s not a reason for being prescribed TRT. Are you hypogonadal? Have you seen a doc about a sleep study?

PEDs are another aspect that’s more a personal choice. I can tell you that these generally make you feel worse than straight up TRT (for hypogonadism).

Jesus man, you’re still a young buck. Post your,labs results. There has to be something else going on.

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These two statements make me wonder if your Testosterone Therapy is relevant :
Test is one among hundreds of hormones, what made you think it is the cause of the fatigue you are experiencing?
Supplementing test and yet still experiencing fatigue raises a red flag here… maybe it is not what you’re currently lacking
Sleeping 10-11 hours per day on most days is another sign to look further into that…
200mg E4D is not TRT, that’s supraphysiological dosage

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You just started TRT? Why not give that some time to take effect? From my experience increasing GH just makes me more tired.

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This post is so out of control I don’t even know where to begin! Except that…

You are NOT on TRT as you are taking 200mg Test E4D!! You are on a lower dose cycle, just call it what it is. And as someone else said, are you on a true DOCTOR PRESCRIBED TRT? I have a feeling no. And if you claim to be, your doctor is being very irresponsible prescribing you that dose AND that dosing of Arimidex. To claim your nips are puffy when you don’t take arimidex is all in your head. There is no way with the dosing schedule or arimidex that you have probably any estrogen in your body. More than likely it’s crashed, which that right there could be another causal factor for your fatigue.

ALSO, why are you so concerned with taking this much test, other peptides etc. which normally would be for building muscle with weight training, but instead you only do push ups and pull ups? A workout like that does NOT necessitate taking all of those substances. If that is you in your avatar, you need to focus on building up the entire body with a sensible weight training regimen. I know, you said you don’t like to move weight through space or whatever the hell…if that’s the case, then lower your “TRT” dose and don’t take arimidex or any other peptides!!! You don’t need all that for pullups/pushups!

Christ, that’s like a cross country runner wanting to take test, growth, peptides, etc…or a table tennis player!! Crazy right? Because it is!

I also agree with another poster, if a doctor has truly diagnosed you (which, at 27 I find very hard to believe…I know it’s possible but the statistics don’t really support it), then you should have blood work done. If you post it here, we can all take a look at your various blood markers and perhaps determine what is causing your fatigue. But again, I don’t think any of this poster’s stuff is legit/true TRT.

You claim you are looking for a substance(s) to “further you”…at what?? pull ups? WTF? I’m not trying to be an ass, but damn son, you make it hard for me not to with all the asinine statements and claims in your post.

In case you hadn’t noticed, this website is primarily bodybuilding/weightlifting/muscular hypertrophy focused, which is also why we all discuss the primary hormone that helps us achieve those aforementioned things, testosterone. And while yes, we discuss PED usage, many of us (myself included) are on LEGITIMATE TRT therapy from a real, licensed doctor and as such, we get bloodwork taken several times a year because we are first and foremost (much more importantly than just focused on muscle) focused on our overall HEALTH.

Maybe take another look at all the stuff you posted and consider what your primary goals are, and also please be honest and let us know if a true doctor has diagnosed you as hypogonadal and hence prescribed you testosterone replacement therapy. And share with us why your doctor has you on such an extremely high dose too. At just 27 years old, I have a hard time believing you have a Total testosterone level under 250-300 ng/dl.

Ok, that’s it…mind is still blown after reading the OP’s stream of consciousness post. It’s people like him who REALLY give us on legitimate TRT a BAD name/image!

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First of all thank you everyone for answering I am humbled by your answers and definitely positively suprised how in depth people want to look into my health and actually help me! I’m very grateful.
I omit the whole progression of “trt” so I’m sorry and let me straighten it up.

  1. This is my blood work right before starting trt on 21 April this year. I just heard from my business friend that it gave him energy so I wanted to try it. Not for bodybuilding purposes. To just be better at providing for my family and not being so damn tired all the time like sleeping 12 hours and still not having energy for more then like 4 hours a day and even if I do push the days because obv I have shit to do I would never feel like doing anything just operating on strength of will. I wasn’t really training at that time at all. I have wife, 2 small kids and 2 businesses and every workout would result in me sore for days on end so I just was swimming at the time.

Test 461, doc prescribed me 100 a week no AI. After first shot I feel great I wanna play with my daughter again I feel like walking isn’t tiring anymore I’m hooked. Sex life got crazy.

  1. After that month or two my results test 790. I say doc it feels nice but i still feel like I could get more out of this get me up. Doc gives 200mg a week
    Test goes to around 2000. I say it feels even better doc but last 2 days before next shot I feel like shit again it’s creeping up let me shot e5d he says it’s cool. I get puffy nipples he lets me up my AI from 0.5mg on the day of shot to eventually 0.5mg every other day or every three days depends on how I feel my nipples.

  2. At this point couple months passed I clearly understand that I’m not on trt anymore I decide to go for e4d and stay there I don’t wanna go further bc of hair. Test around 3400. I’m conscious that this is small cycle but I started gaining nice weight my wife likes it I like it added some push ups now I feel like training again in my life I actually move around finally I grow muscles I like it.

I’m not trying to claim natural or trt or any of that stuff matter of fact I’m not bodybuilder and I don’t care about any of those labels I just want to continue to feel like this as it’s clearly helping me I have become more productive since introducing test much better at business much more assertive and I finally workout without feeling sore.

In the meantime my doc discovered I have sleep apnea. I’ll have to take surgery for that I’m in the middle of getting tomography etc I already had my nose surgically straightened inside but it wasn’t enough I still wake up 5x a night. At least I started sleeping better from peptide. Still wake up but when I do sleep I sleep deeper.

I’m already so proud of myself for doing the calisthenics I think next part is weighted vest as I think it’s pretty much like lifting. Would you guys say it could be enough without actual gym?

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Me on 21 April before this whole thing with test started

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Me now

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I had 1 injury and got sick along the way so all together I’d say I trained 4 full months.

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71.5kg to 77.5kg
BF I don’t know

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You were not hypogonadal. Your FT was also adequate. Neither were ideal I’ll give you that. Your comment about first shot and feels great just proves it’s your mind not,your body. One shot will not do anything for you, it’s a placebo affect. Thanks for proving a point.

Your labs looked best at this dose. They are off the charts with your current dose.

Yup. As I stated in my first post, this was your issue, not your hormones. Now you’re instead hooked on anabolics that could limit your lifespan with long term use. Your doc sucks. It took five seconds to read your post and suspect below.

Sorry about my blunt replies, but I hate seeing a young person doing stupid things because he is ill informed and found a bad doctor.

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Enough for what, exactly? You don’t want to be or look like a bodybuilder, and won’t push yourself on weights, so what, specifically, are you trying to get out of this?

I have nothing to add from what @blshaw has said, other than I think you are doing the stuff that huberman followers do - and you’re chasing “optimal” which simply does not exist.

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I do watch Huberman haha you’re spot on.
When it comes to physique goal it’s 75kg with 8/10% body fat.
My plan is to keep this bulk going untill summer then shred.
That’s why I wanted to take the SR9009 to keep bulking without getting excess fat.
I’m imagining 2-3 years of bulking and cutting can get me to 75 ripped.
Health wise I want to fix my energy levels and have lots of energy everyday without any stimulants.
I’m not planning to push androgens any higher or use other ones.

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Then do yourself a favor and pick up some weights like a big boy. Bodyweight stuff isn’t going to do it.

Most of what you’re taking is just pissing away money, and you’d be better off putting that money into food.

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@Andrewgen_Receptors His “physique goal” should be to actually look like he’s possibly worked out/done pushups/trained for any amount of time-ever!

OP - based upon your pictures, I’m not gonna sugarcoat it/lie to you: you don’t look like you’ve ever done a day of physical exercise in your life! I see zero muscle tone (which is rare because I usually see some semblance of muscles, somewhere), shape, etc. I honestly can’t even see one muscle anywhere! You look as if you eat maybe a couple of potato chips every few days, and it’s MORE than evident that you do NOT eat enough calories, protein, carbs, etc.

Your first goal needs to be trying to eat not just healthy but getting in ENOUGH CALORIES so that your body can add some muscles! Your “physique goals” sound ridiculous when looking at the pictures!

yeah, yeah, I’m the asshole because I said what everyone else was thinking…but at least I am being honest and shooting the OP straight.
The OP shouldn’t even be THINKING about AAS, TRT, peptides, etc, PERIOD! OP-you add those items in after a few solid years of training, when your diet actually has all the proper balance of macronutrients, and you have “maxxed out” most of your natural genetics. If you add them now, it would be an immense waste as your diet is obviously not up to par, nor is your…whatever you call your “exercise regimen”.

It’s quite obvious the OP wants to simply take some test, peptides, etc. and all the sudden look like a Calvin Klein model with his shirt off. Dude, it ain’t gonna happen! Taking AAS/Test without the proper diet/training will do absolutely jack shit for you. It IS NOT A MAGIC SUPPLEMENT/SOLUTION! You don’t just take testosterone, sit on your ass-or for that matter do some goddam pushups/pullups[ridiculous], and all the sudden you’ve got a six pack for abs and some little muscles all over your thin body.

Christ, just the basic premise of what the OP keeps talking about…achieving some random ass “physique goals” , is so dumb. Sorry OP, but you sound ridiculous. Go lift some weights, eat like an actual man, and stay away from performance enhancing drugs. Leave them to people who actually take the time to understand how they work, why they work, and people who eat/train hard enough to actually be able to benefit from them.

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Also, every fucking time I read the thread title, I bust out laughing! It sounds insane LOL.

Performance enhancing pathways to gain energy & save hair…sounds like something a robot would say. Sorry, but not sorry…it does sound hilarious. Again, I may be the asshole for saying it out loud but I’d bet my left arm that many of you have had the same exact thought.

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