Great post 
For anyone intrested in whats actually happening 
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After seeing this:
http://www.youtube.com/...h?v=hPzkLk6sYJg
http://www.youtube.com/...feature=related
http://www.rogerwendell.com/...aqi_torture.jpg
http://www.bloggerheads.com/…_torture_01.jpg
TELL ME, I should BLINDLY respect something responsible for THAT
think again, pal [/quote]
Big atrocities there. Soldiers teasing kids with water is not a war crime. The people who ran Abu Ghraib were punished. But in your paranoid little mind, those events were equivalent to shooting people and dumping them into mass graves.
Again, what evidence do you have of this aside from the tired YouTube presentations, (duplicated ad nauseum), of soldiers shooting a dog, or Abu Ghraib, or soldiers being mean to someone. Even Haditha turned out to be a media-driven scam, but we don’t here about how the majority of the soldiers originally implicated are now exonerated, much to the dismay of prissy little haters like yourself and Jack Murtha.
No, we’re asking for a little balance. Yes, bad things happen, even bad things done by the US military. But on whole, the military is not out there doing the things you accuse it of. No one wants to go to jail. Ever hear of the UCMJ? Soldiers are so afraid of being tried for murder that they often don’t shoot when they should. If our military was really so calloused, as you say, books like “Lone Survivor” would never have been written. Danny Dietz, Matt Axelrod, Michael Murphy, and the 19 other guys that went to rescue them would still be alive.
This just goes to show how breathtakingly ignorant you are of anything military. You’re expected to obey the lawful orders of your superiors. “I was just following orders” is an excuse many have used unsuccessful and courts martials. Article 4 of the code of conduct even echoes this:
The rest of what you wrote is just your paranoia, anger, and inadequacy projected onto someone or something else.
First of all, I would like to point out that anyone arguing against our involvement in WW2 is an idiot. The only crime is we stood by for far too long while little things like the holocaust were happening with our knowlege.
In addition go tell the people of Kuwait we shouldn�??t be in the Middle East. We are the reason the country still exists and all of its citizens didn�??t get raped, murdered and tortured.
My point with telling you to leave is this: There are countries out there that apparently are better than the US, innocent ones that do no wrong and agree with your morals. Why would you choose to live here? You are perpetuating and supporting this �??evil�?? country with your presence. Wouldn�??t you be happier somewhere else?
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Big atrocities there. Soldiers teasing kids with water is not a war crime. The people who ran Abu Ghraib were punished. But in your paranoid little mind, those events were equivalent to shooting people and dumping them into mass graves.
Again, what evidence do you have of this aside from the tired YouTube presentations, (duplicated ad nauseum), of soldiers shooting a dog, or Abu Ghraib, or soldiers being mean to someone. Even Haditha turned out to be a media-driven scam, but we don’t here about how the majority of the soldiers originally implicated are now exonerated, much to the dismay of prissy little haters like yourself and Jack Murtha.
No, we’re asking for a little balance. Yes, bad things happen, even bad things done by the US military. But on whole, the military is not out there doing the things you accuse it of. No one wants to go to jail. Ever hear of the UCMJ? Soldiers are so afraid of being tried for murder that they often don’t shoot when they should. If our military was really so calloused, as you say, books like “Lone Survivor” would never have been written. Danny Dietz, Matt Axelrod, Michael Murphy, and the 19 other guys that went to rescue them would still be alive.
This just goes to show how breathtakingly ignorant you are of anything military. You’re expected to obey the lawful orders of your superiors. “I was just following orders” is an excuse many have used unsuccessful and courts martials. Article 4 of the code of conduct even echoes this:
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Just because it isn’t a crime… makes it ok? I hope your kid grows up in a war torn area, impoverished because of some foreign military, and has to live with his head down. While he has to chase down these soldiers to get a basic necessity.
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Gee, I don’t know, maybe the people I know that have been there completely agree with me on how much injustice the US Military is spreading with their actions. I know 4-5 US Marines/Navy… they all agree with me. Thats my evidence, eye witness accounts… and the videos on www.liveleak.com, real live recordings of american/european/canadian soldiers doing some stupid shit. Haditha turned out to be scum? Lol. So they proved to a court that it was unpremeditated… that was about it, right?? Civillians still died.
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Please read “War is a force that gives us meaning”. Its written by Chris Hedges, a journalist who rode along with a battalion during the gulf war, just read it… Some of the shit he has seen is unbelievable. You guys are telling me I should just trust and support the troops, even though they constantly do shit that would make me vomit if I saw it in real life… instead of simply supporting those who earned my support. Your brain fails.
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Yea, I have heard of the jail. That doesn’t change the fact that people do it?? Texas is hard on murderers, that doesn’t stop Texas from having a considerable amount of murderers. Give me a break man, you are so simple
and F, i thought you were someone else, I already told you, I am done with you. There is nothing I can say to make you just accept that maybe someone thinks differently.
[quote]HangerBaby wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Big atrocities there. Soldiers teasing kids with water is not a war crime. The people who ran Abu Ghraib were punished. But in your paranoid little mind, those events were equivalent to shooting people and dumping them into mass graves.
Again, what evidence do you have of this aside from the tired YouTube presentations, (duplicated ad nauseum), of soldiers shooting a dog, or Abu Ghraib, or soldiers being mean to someone. Even Haditha turned out to be a media-driven scam, but we don’t here about how the majority of the soldiers originally implicated are now exonerated, much to the dismay of prissy little haters like yourself and Jack Murtha.
No, we’re asking for a little balance. Yes, bad things happen, even bad things done by the US military. But on whole, the military is not out there doing the things you accuse it of. No one wants to go to jail. Ever hear of the UCMJ? Soldiers are so afraid of being tried for murder that they often don’t shoot when they should. If our military was really so calloused, as you say, books like “Lone Survivor” would never have been written. Danny Dietz, Matt Axelrod, Michael Murphy, and the 19 other guys that went to rescue them would still be alive.
This just goes to show how breathtakingly ignorant you are of anything military. You’re expected to obey the lawful orders of your superiors. “I was just following orders” is an excuse many have used unsuccessful and courts martials. Article 4 of the code of conduct even echoes this:
- Just because it isn’t a crime… makes it ok? I hope your kid grows up in a war torn area, impoverished because of some foreign military, and has to live with his head down. While he has to chase down these soldiers to get a basic necessity.
No one said the dumb shit was okay. Having seen the inside of a child’s brain because of miscommunication and paranoia, I think I have a grasp on what’s going on over there. And while it’s not okay, it happened. You can sit and bitch and moan and scream to the high heavens all you care to, but it won’t change the fact that it happened. Moving on…
- Gee, I don’t know, maybe the people I know that have been there completely agree with me on how much injustice the US Military is spreading with their actions. I know 4-5 US Marines/Navy… they all agree with me. Thats my evidence, eye witness accounts… and the videos on www.liveleak.com, real live recordings of american/european/canadian soldiers doing some stupid shit. Haditha turned out to be scum? Lol. So they proved to a court that it was unpremeditated… that was about it, right?? Civillians still died.
You know all of 4 or 5 people, huh? I doubt that. Seriously doubt that. You strike me as someone who remains glued to the tv/web and jumps on every little bit of negative publicity you can find. Sounds like a troll.
- Please read “War is a force that gives us meaning”. Its written by Chris Hedges, a journalist who rode along with a battalion during the gulf war, just read it… Some of the shit he has seen is unbelievable. You guys are telling me I should just trust and support the troops, even though they constantly do shit that would make me vomit if I saw it in real life… instead of simply supporting those who earned my support. Your brain fails.
Constant? Wow… you are really informed after reading a book. I’m impressed. Again, having been there, done that, seen it myself, there are far more honorable, noble, and good Soldiers than the ones you are speaking of. And just for the record, that author… a journalist, eh? I remember another journalist that went over. He got captured and soonafter, a video surfaced of him getting his head cut and kicked off. That’s what we fight. When we’re not condoning atrocities, raping, and pillaging that is. And our brain fails? Yeeeah…
- Yea, I have heard of the jail. That doesn’t change the fact that people do it?? Texas is hard on murderers, that doesn’t stop Texas from having a considerable amount of murderers. Give me a break man, you are so simple
and F, i thought you were someone else, I already told you, I am done with you. There is nothing I can say to make you just accept that maybe someone thinks differently.[/quote]
You are one of the ignorant masses my friend. Enabled to simply run around in a circle yelling “fire” but aren’t willing to do anything about it. Yes, you can always do something. Vote, volunteer for something, evoke some kind of change if you don’t like what is going on. If you aren’t willing to do that, then shut the hell up, keep your head down, and keep your soapbox in your shed where it belongs.
I never said it was ok. I said it wasn’t on par with your imagined atrocities. Huge difference.
Like the YouTube videos you linked before? Big deal. Out of the 8 originally charged in the Haditha case, only 1 (Wuterich) is awaiting trial and the rest have been acquitted or had the charges dropped. The prosecution is 0 for 7 so far, and the evidence is accumulating that the whole thing was a hoax, much to your dismay I’m sure:
Aside from that, people under the UCMJ are innocent until proven guilty, as much as you’d like them to be proven guilty.
Journalists are amongst the least trusted professionals. Remember the “journalist” Scott Beauchamp who wrote that hoax for the New Republic about “atrocities” in Iraq that never happened (hey, wasn’t he from Minnesota also?)?? They turned out to be creative writing stories he wrote before he even got into theatre that he published on his blog. I’ve got them saved on my hard drive. Dupes like yourself just like to believe them.
Great, Texas isn’t a theater of war where jihadists intermingle with civilian populations to their advantage and shoot from behind women and children.
Thinking differently is one thing. Coming on here to discredit our military when people from all over the world read this is quite another.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
also, if this nation is so terrible, why is this the nation that the majority of the world wants to immigrate to?
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It does?
[quote]Beast27195 wrote:
You are one of the ignorant masses my friend. Enabled to simply run around in a circle yelling “fire” but aren’t willing to do anything about it. Yes, you can always do something. Vote, volunteer for something, evoke some kind of change if you don’t like what is going on. If you aren’t willing to do that, then shut the hell up, keep your head down, and keep your soapbox in your shed where it belongs. [/quote]
You know nothing about me, so your baseless argument (which by the way is invalid) means nothing here. I’ll ignore your posts too. I’m glad that you feel good when you assume wrongly about others, but whatever.
[quote]HangerBaby wrote:
Beast27195 wrote:
You are one of the ignorant masses my friend. Enabled to simply run around in a circle yelling “fire” but aren’t willing to do anything about it. Yes, you can always do something. Vote, volunteer for something, evoke some kind of change if you don’t like what is going on. If you aren’t willing to do that, then shut the hell up, keep your head down, and keep your soapbox in your shed where it belongs.
You know nothing about me, so your baseless argument (which by the way is invalid) means nothing here. I’ll ignore your posts too. I’m glad that you feel good when you assume wrongly about others, but whatever.[/quote]
"You’re too ignorant for my liking, I’ll just go ahead and ignore your posts from now on. Go wave your flag proudly, don’t forget to kiss the TV when fox news, george bush, or john mccain make an appearance "
That is what you wrote earlier. You made the first assumptions and judgments. You started the name calling. Shut up your ignorant mouth. Spreading misinformation, even if you are dumb enough to believe it, is still lying.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
HangerBaby wrote:
Beast27195 wrote:
You are one of the ignorant masses my friend. Enabled to simply run around in a circle yelling “fire” but aren’t willing to do anything about it. Yes, you can always do something. Vote, volunteer for something, evoke some kind of change if you don’t like what is going on. If you aren’t willing to do that, then shut the hell up, keep your head down, and keep your soapbox in your shed where it belongs.
You know nothing about me, so your baseless argument (which by the way is invalid) means nothing here. I’ll ignore your posts too. I’m glad that you feel good when you assume wrongly about others, but whatever.
"You’re too ignorant for my liking, I’ll just go ahead and ignore your posts from now on. Go wave your flag proudly, don’t forget to kiss the TV when fox news, george bush, or john mccain make an appearance "
That is what you wrote earlier. You made the first assumptions and judgments. You started the name calling. Shut up your ignorant mouth. Spreading misinformation, even if you are dumb enough to believe it, is still lying.[/quote]
Personal beliefs are not misinformation my friend
and no, my beliefs are not built upon misinformation. Please reread my posts, I’ve made no claims that can be ‘debunked’ if you will
[quote]gangstpmp3 wrote:
id rather shove it up your moms ass[/quote]
me too man, me too…
[quote]gangstpmp3 wrote:
Street fighter 2 is the best game of all time[/quote]
Wasn’t this thread about how badass you were at boxing and BJJ? Enough that you could beat up a Marine?
If you learned your fighting moves from Street Fighter 2, you sir, are a LOSER
[quote]HangerBaby wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
HangerBaby wrote:
Beast27195 wrote:
You are one of the ignorant masses my friend. Enabled to simply run around in a circle yelling “fire” but aren’t willing to do anything about it. Yes, you can always do something. Vote, volunteer for something, evoke some kind of change if you don’t like what is going on. If you aren’t willing to do that, then shut the hell up, keep your head down, and keep your soapbox in your shed where it belongs.
You know nothing about me, so your baseless argument (which by the way is invalid) means nothing here. I’ll ignore your posts too. I’m glad that you feel good when you assume wrongly about others, but whatever.
"You’re too ignorant for my liking, I’ll just go ahead and ignore your posts from now on. Go wave your flag proudly, don’t forget to kiss the TV when fox news, george bush, or john mccain make an appearance "
That is what you wrote earlier. You made the first assumptions and judgments. You started the name calling. Shut up your ignorant mouth. Spreading misinformation, even if you are dumb enough to believe it, is still lying.
Personal beliefs are not misinformation my friend
and no, my beliefs are not built upon misinformation. Please reread my posts, I’ve made no claims that can be ‘debunked’ if you will
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Your whole argument is baseless, worthless, and overall, ignorant. Since you have no response to the facts portrayed on here, you simply go the route of “I’m going to ignore you now.” That gets a big whoop. And yes, your beliefs are based on the few bad apples portrayed in the news, and a large amount of misinformation, assumptions, and general laziness towards the truth.
You don’t see the irony of your own statement? You claiming you are tough enough to whoop someone’s ass because you box and do BJJ, is no different than other people claiming a military guy can whoop yours or anyone else’s ass because they had military training.
Or do you lack the gene that processes logical thought?
That made me drool.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Our military men are still are worthy of our respect even if you happen to disagree with the policies of the civilian leadership.
The civilian leadership that we, the people, voted in. If we don’t like what’s going on, too bad. We voted for it. [/quote]
That’s the worst argument I’ve ever heard. Almost as bad as the OP’s.
Are you saying that, just because a ‘majority vote’ - if we can even call it that - voted in a leadership, that the voters can be assumed to agree with every future policy and action of said leadership?
That makes no sense. You are not absolved of accountability just because you are voted into office.
When did I say otherwise? You’re not absolved of accountability for voting people into office either. In a democracy, we (the people), bear part of the responsibility for the decisions made.
We were already in Iraq during the 2004 presidential election and John Kerry didn’t win. We had our chance to vote for someone else. The Democrats had a chance to nominate a better candidate than Kerry. They didn’t.
As much as the paranoid wing of the Left would like to pretend that every 4 years we have a coup d’etat, the reality is that we get the leaders we elect and deserve, and it’s our fault if we pick people that enact policies that we disagree with.
Ok, but then you are saying whatever actions of the leadership - say, plans that they did NOT make transparent to the people at the time they were voted into office - cause damage to the country and economy are the people’s fault, because the people voted in the leadership.
Or have I misread you?
If the Bush administration handled Katrina poorly, but we had no knowledge that there would even BE a Katrina, is it our fault - or the majority voters’ - for voting him into office, given that he did not handle it as the country wished him to?
We don’t know how they are going to treat future situations, right?
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
In a democracy, we (the people), bear part of the responsibility for the decisions made.
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But do we bear responsibility for future indiscretions of the leadership that nobody could foresee?
Your Iraq argument doesn’t hold water because it was an issue ongoing during the time of elections. I am talking about issues that come up during the course of an administration, where the leadership does not deal with it in a manner that the country agrees on; if we disagree, we can’t just vote the leadership out of office.
We have to wait until election time, no?
[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
Ok, but then you are saying whatever actions of the leadership - say, plans that they did NOT make transparent to the people at the time they were voted into office - cause damage to the country and economy are the people’s fault, because the people voted in the leadership.
Or have I misread you?
If the Bush administration handled Katrina poorly, but we had no knowledge that there would even BE a Katrina, is it our fault - or the majority voters’ - for voting him into office, given that he did not handle it as the country wished him to?
We don’t know how they are going to treat future situations, right?[/quote]
Oh, crap, politicians lie? Say it ain’t so.
You name things like Katrina when the president had nothing to do with it. That was the fault of a backwards government organization that has been screwed up for decades.
I guess I’m saying at least point the finger at the whole government. I think people give the pres. and the cabinet too much credit for anything the government does.
Be fair, it�??s all messed up. lol
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OctoberGirl wrote:
also, if this nation is so terrible, why is this the nation that the majority of the world wants to immigrate to?
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People want to imigrate there because you can find your own kind no matter what kind of fruit you are. A very diversed country, most people dont hate americans, but the american gov’t.