People Scared of Servicemen

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
PonceDeLeon wrote:
Ok, but then you are saying whatever actions of the leadership - say, plans that they did NOT make transparent to the people at the time they were voted into office - cause damage to the country and economy are the people’s fault, because the people voted in the leadership.

Or have I misread you?

If the Bush administration handled Katrina poorly, but we had no knowledge that there would even BE a Katrina, is it our fault - or the majority voters’ - for voting him into office, given that he did not handle it as the country wished him to?

We don’t know how they are going to treat future situations, right?

Oh, crap, politicians lie? Say it ain’t so.

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Why the sarcasm? That’s MY point, too.

It sounded like the other poster was saying we should be responsible for the fact that politicians lie, and I am saying we can’t know what will turn out to be a lie and what will be true.

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[quote]Beast27195 wrote:
HangerBaby wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
HangerBaby wrote:
Beast27195 wrote:
You are one of the ignorant masses my friend. Enabled to simply run around in a circle yelling “fire” but aren’t willing to do anything about it. Yes, you can always do something.

Vote, volunteer for something, evoke some kind of change if you don’t like what is going on. If you aren’t willing to do that, then shut the hell up, keep your head down, and keep your soapbox in your shed where it belongs.

You know nothing about me, so your baseless argument (which by the way is invalid) means nothing here. I’ll ignore your posts too. I’m glad that you feel good when you assume wrongly about others, but whatever.

"You’re too ignorant for my liking, I’ll just go ahead and ignore your posts from now on. Go wave your flag proudly, don’t forget to kiss the TV when fox news, george bush, or john mccain make an appearance "

That is what you wrote earlier. You made the first assumptions and judgments. You started the name calling. Shut up your ignorant mouth. Spreading misinformation, even if you are dumb enough to believe it, is still lying.

Personal beliefs are not misinformation my friend and no, my beliefs are not built upon misinformation. Please reread my posts, I’ve made no claims that can be ‘debunked’ if you will

Your whole argument is baseless, worthless, and overall, ignorant. Since you have no response to the facts portrayed on here, you simply go the route of “I’m going to ignore you now.” That gets a big whoop.

And yes, your beliefs are based on the few bad apples portrayed in the news, and a large amount of misinformation, assumptions, and general laziness towards the truth. [/quote]

No. Facts? Check please. I haven’t seen any ‘facts’ that I didn’t simply see in a different light than you. I do not watch the news, I read only independent and foreign sources, I avoid MSNBC, Faux, CBS, CNN etc. I am ignoring those guys’ posts because they have proven to be unworthy of my time.

I hold a different opinion, and they are telling me I am wrong because of it. That is false, BASELESS AND WORTHLESS. I haven’t called anyone wrong, I have just DISAGREED with people based on the eyewitness evidence I have talked to, and based on the readings I have done. You are a pure jackass for thinking otherwise.

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I know a 77 year old Marine. He was attackedby two pit bulls in my town while he was walking his little Pomeranian. Yeah, I know, a pomeranian. but it is his buddy.

He beat off the pits while saving his dog.

I wouldn’t want to tangle with him.

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[quote]tom63 wrote:
I know a 77 year old Marine. He was attackedby two pit bulls in my town while he was walking his little Pomeranian. Yeah, I know, a pomeranian. but it is his buddy.

He beat off the pits while saving his dog.

I wouldn’t want to tangle with him.[/quote]

Reminds of that old S.A.S. vet in the UK that fought off 3 armed attackers when they tried to mug him… they had knives, lol

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[quote]HangerBaby wrote:
tom63 wrote:
I know a 77 year old Marine. He was attackedby two pit bulls in my town while he was walking his little Pomeranian. Yeah, I know, a pomeranian. but it is his buddy.

He beat off the pits while saving his dog.

I wouldn’t want to tangle with him.

Reminds of that old S.A.S. vet in the UK that fought off 3 armed attackers when they tried to mug him… they had knives, lol[/quote]

I’m sure the SAS is like the Marines, there are no ex Marines.

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[quote]tom63 wrote:
I know a 77 year old Marine. He was attackedby two pit bulls in my town while he was walking his little Pomeranian. Yeah, I know, a pomeranian. but it is his buddy.

He beat off the pits while saving his dog.

I wouldn’t want to tangle with him.[/quote]

Sounds like a great guy. Awesome.

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This thread is amazing… If anyone is curious as to why half the world hates America, read this thread.

As an objective outsider it is truly hilarious.

One side = hyper patriotism.

If you don’t love the country and everything about it, fuck off somewhere else (nice endorsement of personal “freedoms” and the right to live in a free manner. Ironically this is one of the things that this side bangs on about America being great for. While at the same time trying to bash people into their line of thinking).

The military must be loved and respected. Servicemen are gods and should be treated as such… While they do a god awful job and put their lives on the line for freedom of others, people do NOT deserve to have their throats ripped out for questioning what they do. Again it’s ironic that this side tells everyone to think for themselves and have some balls, but at the same time all they do is espouse military rhetoric and anyone who doesn’t do the same is a gutless hating coward.

Someone said they should be respected because “they’re doing something you’re not prepared to do”. Hell I’ll stick my weiner in jar of boiling oil, shave my head and wear my hair on my face. Do I get respected for that too…???

Now… On the other side…

“I’m so intellingent, I know what we should be doing and you’re all dumb rednecks”.

Equally as ridiculous in my eyes. These are the guys who think that military force is tthe root of all evil and that the US is murdering scum. They criticise the the hard nose “do what I say because I said so” military line, but discount the fact that when the chips are down this is the exact attitude that is needed to prevail in conflict. Questioning causes doubt, doubt means seconds thoughts, seconds thoughts leads to hesitation, and hesitation means a hole in your head.

Both extremes and some moderate views have been represented here so far but all the valid points have been lost because of that ever so annoying line - “I’m in the military and if you don’t support it then you’re scum and I’m gonna make loads of noise now so no-one can get any logical well thought out points across”

I seriously can’t wait to see what sort of responses I get here. I’ve a feeling they’ll be along the lines of;

One Side;
“I’m in the military and we’re right, so fuck you and the horse you rode in on. You’re not even American so what the fuck does your opinion matter anyway”

OR

Other side;
“Yeah, you’re totally right. I’m glad everyone else hates America. God aren’t we so lucky we know all this and hate those military dickheads who think they’re gods”

OR

“Yeah, good points actually” (lol as if)

OR - most likely…

OP:
“that’s it, you’re getting bashed too, marine or not.”

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Haha, nice post :slight_smile:
I think i fall under the second one even though its a bit extreme :slight_smile:

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Post the link to your U tube video boiling your dick in oil, and I will respect you as a bad ass Mofo. But I have the feeling you are not prepared to do it because you are just making a point. However the military prepares to go to war every day and every person in the military understands that they may have to wake up in the morning and deploy somewhere and start fighting. That is their reality. You make my point for me because they ARE willing to do it everyday. (unless you really post a link then I drastically underestimated your interest in making your point.)

I don’t think I am hyper-patriotic I simply believe that some people in dangerous careers, because of the very nature of the career, deserves my respect until proven otherwise. At the very least they should not be disrespected until it is proven that they did something to deserve the disrespect not the other way around!

The OP and I agree on one thing and that is stereotyping people because of their chosen profession is dumb. Equally dumb would be thinking that because he put the beat down on one dude that he could beat down all military people…

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This thread had some serious potential to deliver, and it turned into a political debate. I would have much rather seen it go the other way while we all call the OP Douche O’Douch.

And whoever used the “Is there a gangstpmp 1 and 2?” line, I beleive that was straight from the eliteballa thread, which is pretty good use of joke recycling. Kudos.

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[quote]Colin Wilson wrote:
Someone said they should be respected because “they’re doing something you’re not prepared to do”. Hell I’ll stick my weiner in jar of boiling oil, shave my head and wear my hair on my face. Do I get respected for that too…???

Post the link to your U tube video boiling your dick in oil, and I will respect you as a bad ass Mofo. But I have the feeling you are not prepared to do it because you are just making a point. However the military prepares to go to war every day and every person in the military understands that they may have to wake up in the morning and deploy somewhere and start fighting. That is their reality. You make my point for me because they ARE willing to do it everyday. (unless you really post a link then I drastically underestimated your interest in making your point.)

I don’t think I am hyper-patriotic I simply believe that some people in dangerous careers, because of the very nature of the career, deserves my respect until proven otherwise. At the very least they should not be disrespected until it is proven that they did something to deserve the disrespect not the other way around!

The OP and I agree on one thing and that is stereotyping people because of their chosen profession is dumb. Equally dumb would be thinking that because he put the beat down on one dude that he could beat down all military people…

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Well said Colin although I do see what Hanley is getting at (Especially as an outsider from the US).

As an ex-soldier though - I agree with you 100%. We did/do everything we can under way more than simple orders. It goes far deeper than that as only another military man would know.

To the OP - Ok - so what? You beat a marine. Means shit really and I suspect you know it from your original post. I choose to think (at least hope) your post was less about beating a marine and more about, as Colin says, not stereotyping people because of their chosen profession.

If it wasn’t then I hope you kick off at some point with some of the USMC guys I’ve known. You’d be dead before you laid a punch. Bravado and one upmanship asside, the USMC guys that I have known have been some of the toughest soldiers I ever met. And that’s coming from a guy who spent years fighting in British Special Forces along side the likes of Gurkhas.

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Where did he get the idea that Marines were simply unbeatable in a street fight? Everyone knows it’s Navy personnel that own faces.

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[quote]Renton wrote:
Colin Wilson wrote:
Someone said they should be respected because “they’re doing something you’re not prepared to do”. Hell I’ll stick my weiner in jar of boiling oil, shave my head and wear my hair on my face. Do I get respected for that too…???

Post the link to your U tube video boiling your dick in oil, and I will respect you as a bad ass Mofo. But I have the feeling you are not prepared to do it because you are just making a point. However the military prepares to go to war every day and every person in the military understands that they may have to wake up in the morning and deploy somewhere and start fighting. That is their reality. You make my point for me because they ARE willing to do it everyday. (unless you really post a link then I drastically underestimated your interest in making your point.)

I don’t think I am hyper-patriotic I simply believe that some people in dangerous careers, because of the very nature of the career, deserves my respect until proven otherwise. At the very least they should not be disrespected until it is proven that they did something to deserve the disrespect not the other way around!

The OP and I agree on one thing and that is stereotyping people because of their chosen profession is dumb. Equally dumb would be thinking that because he put the beat down on one dude that he could beat down all military people…

Well said Colin although I do see what Hanley is getting at (Especially as an outsider from the US).

As an ex-soldier though - I agree with you 100%. We did/do everything we can under way more than simple orders. It goes far deeper than that as only another military man would know.

To the OP - Ok - so what? You beat a marine. Means shit really and I suspect you know it from your original post. I choose to think (at least hope) your post was less about beating a marine and more about, as Colin says, not stereotyping people because of their chosen profession.

If it wasn’t then I hope you kick off at some point with some of the USMC guys I’ve known. You’d be dead before you laid a punch. Bravado and one upmanship asside, the USMC guys that I have known have been some of the toughest soldiers I ever met. And that’s coming from a guy who spent years fighting in British Special Forces along side the likes of Gurkhas. [/quote]

All the more reason for a Marine to avoid a fight on the job. The penalty is stiffer if you hurt someone in a fight outside of simple self defense if you are documented as being well trained. They would consider your body a deadly weapon in itself.

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This thread has nothing to do with politics or nationalism. What it had to do with is an OP who is jealous of GIs being thought of as “bad ass” and no one being respectful his awesomeness. He wants all the attention. Then you get the fruity pebbles eating stressed out fruit(hanger queen or whatever). Realizing he will never actually have the balls to go in harm’s way or actually make a stand for anything decides to make believe his cowardism is because of the same warmed over anti-war/US shit he’s having whispered in his ear while his professor’s take turn ass-humping him.

Only way he can face himself is to make believe he’s way too intelligent to be fooled like all the “brainwashed,redneck, racists”. Yeah I know, you’re the brave internet warrior standing up against the demon USA. Don’t really care what any of you think about the war or why we’re there. Bad mouthing the troops themselves is wrong.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

All the more reason for a Marine to avoid a fight on the job. The penalty is stiffer if you hurt someone in a fight outside of simple self defense if you are documented as being well trained. They would consider your body a deadly weapon in itself.

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Con-Air much?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
All the more reason for a Marine to avoid a fight on the job. The penalty is stiffer if you hurt someone in a fight outside of simple self defense if you are documented as being well trained. They would consider your body a deadly weapon in itself.[/quote]

Absolutely, but you like me, I suspect know that sometimes a fight is inevitable.

I personally always try to walk away from a fight without physical intervention. I see no reason to demonstrate my training to an idiot.

Unfortunately that is not always possible.

The OP was a prat for having a fight in the first place. So was the Marine that he fought.

I have never found a situation in civilian life that really and honestly required violence. Some people are stupid and try to use it as their argument. I am happy to realise they are stupid and walk away.

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[quote]Hanley wrote:
Professor X wrote:

All the more reason for a Marine to avoid a fight on the job. The penalty is stiffer if you hurt someone in a fight outside of simple self defense if you are documented as being well trained. They would consider your body a deadly weapon in itself.

Con-Air much?[/quote]

It’s truth. Body size could work against you as well if the person you end up fighting and severely hurting is significantly smaller and less muscular than you.

It all comes down to, “what would a jury think?”.

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what i was saying proffesor x is outside of their military is that alot of the guys act harder than what they are when they shouldnt and that their mindset is they are in the military so that makes them automatically bad asses

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[quote]salefske wrote:
what i was saying proffesor x is outside of their military is that alot of the guys act harder than what they are when they shouldnt and that their mindset is they are in the military so that makes them automatically bad asses[/quote]

No offense, but unless you have been in the military, you don’t have a clue about what it takes.

It is a completely different world that most in the civilian world wouldn’t make it past 2 weeks if they found themselves in it. The rules, the respect and the hierarchy create an environment where you are ready at all times. There were many nights where I didn’t know if they were going to call us in at 5am or earlier for drills. That meant my meals for the day had to be prepared long in advance just in case.

While everyone will have a different experience, one thing holds true, the military is not for blatant pussies.

That doesn’t mean they are all bad asses. However, it does mean that some of the most reliable, trustworthy, and effective people I have ever met were in uniform. People on the outside can’t hold a candle to them.

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[quote]blazindave wrote:
tom63 wrote:
I know a 77 year old Marine. He was attackedby two pit bulls in my town while he was walking his little Pomeranian. Yeah, I know, a pomeranian. but it is his buddy.

He beat off the pits while saving his dog.

I wouldn’t want to tangle with him.

Sounds like a great guy. Awesome.[/quote]

He’s a helluava nice guy Dave. he’s one of the regular in the American Legion post just down the st from my office. Still in some pretty good shape for a guy his age.