[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Nich wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
think about that for a minute
because this is what we all call the birth of the united states.
I’m trying to hit a moving target here. Who is “we”?
more elitism
us against them huh.
this is us history,if you are told anything else then I am sorry
Who is “we”? [/quote]
its in the history books.
are you going to next deny that any of this happened?
[quote]Nich wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Nich wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
think about that for a minute
because this is what we all call the birth of the united states.
I’m trying to hit a moving target here. Who is “we”?
more elitism
us against them huh.
this is us history,if you are told anything else then I am sorry
Who is “we”?
its in the history books.
are you going to next deny that any of this happened?
[/quote]
are you going to deny or ignore that every great nation has a similar history?
and this is apples to oranges.
Being an asshole who comes on with a what is probably a fake story about beating up a lone marine is not the same as the creation of a nation.
also, if this nation is so terrible, why is this the nation that the majority of the world wants to immigrate to?
tearing it down by its flaws doesn’t dimish its strengths
[quote]Nich wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Nich wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Nich wrote:
Colin Wilson wrote:
“I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.” (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).
You should respect all of them because they did something you are either unwilling or incapable of doing. Next time simply say thank you and walk away…
ok just for sake of argument here.
can anyone name atleast one incident in recent history where the us military has deployed in order to directly protect the freedoms of the united states people?
…at least 2 big ones I can remember…
a civil one maybe too…
How bout over in Afghanistan…
how about it,would you please explain?
if I remember my history correctly the only ones were
all other conflicts were us interventions in conflicts that were started and being fought by countries abroad.
am I wrong here?
Pearl harbor and the world trade center were us soil, not to mention US embassies, ships and civilians that have been attacked over seas.
pearl harbor was AFTER our involvment in the war before we got involved they did nothing.
WTC was AFTER our involvment into the dealings with the problems in the middle east that has been going on for eons.
everything that has been brought upon the united states was OUR doing
we are the police and the bullies of the world.
we go around telling other countries how to live and what to believe.
and then when we are attacked it is OUR freedoms that are infringed upon.
see this is why it is all the same type of people that belong in the millitary.
why not everyone is “good enough”
I can promise that not one of you that joined pre 9/11 wanted to “protect our country” it was either because of family pressure or it was because you wanted to be a bully your self.
now I am all for the original national guard.
a true vounteer force of “minute men”
people that worked and lived in the community and when something happened in their community then they jumped to arms.
todays millitary is a joke and a disgrace and deep down the more free thinkers know this however when they are allowed to express the veiws they see from the outside looking in the yare shot down by the bullying and eliteism of the millitary themselves.
and this is all I will say about it.[/quote]
Wow, nicely said.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Nich wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Nich wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
think about that for a minute
because this is what we all call the birth of the united states.
I’m trying to hit a moving target here. Who is “we”?
more elitism
us against them huh.
this is us history,if you are told anything else then I am sorry
Who is “we”?
its in the history books.
are you going to next deny that any of this happened?
are you going to deny or ignore that every great nation has a similar history?
and this is apples to oranges.
Being an asshole who comes on with a what is probably a fake story about beating up a lone marine is not the same as the creation of a nation.
also, if this nation is so terrible, why is this the nation that the majority of the world wants to immigrate to?
tearing it down by its flaws doesn’t dimish its strengths
[/quote]
I agree with you
it is apples to oranges and I have no idea why I went off on that tangent and for that I am sorry,
I wanted to prove that the united states millitary are bullies and this country was built on fear and death.
and actually there is very few times when we were not the aggressor.
these people in the millitary are not to be known as some sort of hero or superman.
they are doing a job which they are doing very well and for that they should be appluaded.
but for someone like prcaldude to place them in a high status and to be beter than anyone else is just outright wrong.
he was alluding to the point that the us is not evil.
it was built on evil.
every nation is thats all and I have majorly hijacked this thread and I shouldnt have.
and the op in beating up a marine
would it have been any different if it was anyone else.
he wouldnt have felt so proud of himself if it was.
its all a stigma that they are better than us even though in the end there is no they or us.
[quote]Nich wrote:
I agree with you
it is apples to oranges and I have no idea why I went off on that tangent and for that I am sorry,
I wanted to prove that the united states millitary are bullies and this country was built on fear and death.
and actually there is very few times when we were not the aggressor.
these people in the millitary are not to be known as some sort of hero or superman.
they are doing a job which they are doing very well and for that they should be appluaded.
but for someone like prcaldude to place them in a high status and to be beter than anyone else is just outright wrong.
he was alluding to the point that the us is not evil.
it was built on evil.
every nation is thats all and I have majorly hijacked this thread and I shouldnt have.
and the op in beating up a marine
would it have been any different if it was anyone else.
he wouldnt have felt so proud of himself if it was.
its all a stigma that they are better than us even though in the end there is no they or us.
[/quote]
servicemen are still the ones that when we go to war are at the front lines.
but you are right, no more hijack
the OP is a tool who came on for bragging strokes
Can you show me where I did that? Where did I say that people in the military were “better”?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
hedo wrote:
gangstpmp3 wrote:
I mean this with no disrespect to our military servicemen protecting our country, but i hate it when people automatically assume that cuz a guy is in the navy,army, etc… he could whoop anyone’s ass.
Im venting cuz i recently fucked up a former marine and before the incident my boy was like “yo, dont fuck with him, he was a marine”. now unless he has a gun or a knife i could give a fuck.i box and do bjj and feel that hand to hand they are not the badasses everyone thinks they are. no disrespect. just venting
You are projecting the outcome one unverified fight against a former Marine and drawing a conclusion.
I suggest you challenge some other Marines to a fight and see how you make out. Try and catch a young guy like yourself fresh out of bootcamp or maybe a recon Marine just back from the sandpit. Tell him you kicked some former Marines ass in a fight with boxing and BJJ and you are going to do the same to him.
Keep us posted on how you make out.
…Also, tell him to avoid any damage to your writing hand because details are very important and we all await the sequel to “Marine Fight Night”.[/quote]
LOL. I must have missed this one before.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
but for someone like prcaldude to place them in a high status and to be beter than anyone else is just outright wrong.
Can you show me where I did that? Where did I say that people in the military were “better”? [/quote]
did you say the exact words.
no but you know damned well that is what you and others in this thread was getting at.
again I am sorry for derailing this thread and making a mountian out of a mole hill so to speak.
op,your still a douche stop hitting people.
[quote]Nich wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
but for someone like prcaldude to place them in a high status and to be beter than anyone else is just outright wrong.
Can you show me where I did that? Where did I say that people in the military were “better”?
did you say the exact words.
no but you know damned well that is what you and others in this thread was getting at.
[/quote]
Sorry to disappoint you, but that wasn’t my intention.
There are some real douches on this thread.
HangerBaby, Nich, OP I’m looking at you.
[quote]Nich wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
Nich wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Nich wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
think about that for a minute
because this is what we all call the birth of the united states.
I’m trying to hit a moving target here. Who is “we”?
more elitism
us against them huh.
this is us history,if you are told anything else then I am sorry
Who is “we”?
its in the history books.
are you going to next deny that any of this happened?
are you going to deny or ignore that every great nation has a similar history?
and this is apples to oranges.
Being an asshole who comes on with a what is probably a fake story about beating up a lone marine is not the same as the creation of a nation.
also, if this nation is so terrible, why is this the nation that the majority of the world wants to immigrate to?
tearing it down by its flaws doesn’t dimish its strengths
I agree with you
it is apples to oranges and I have no idea why I went off on that tangent and for that I am sorry,
I wanted to prove that the united states millitary are bullies and this country was built on fear and death.
and actually there is very few times when we were not the aggressor.
these people in the millitary are not to be known as some sort of hero or superman.
they are doing a job which they are doing very well and for that they should be appluaded.
but for someone like prcaldude to place them in a high status and to be beter than anyone else is just outright wrong.
he was alluding to the point that the us is not evil.
it was built on evil.
every nation is thats all and I have majorly hijacked this thread and I shouldnt have.
and the op in beating up a marine
would it have been any different if it was anyone else.
he wouldnt have felt so proud of himself if it was.
its all a stigma that they are better than us even though in the end there is no they or us.
[/quote]
No one said they are better than you. What I said was they should be respected (yes even those that did not go to war because they are WILLING to go to war) and to lay their life on the line to defend the country. Its a job not allot of people raise their hand to do. I also put Cops and firemen in this group as well.
The very fact that we have a strong military protects your freedoms daily. Go outside the boundaries of the US, away from that protection see how much your human rights mean to another country. You describe the reality of the world very well and it would be naive to think if we totally disbanded our military that some other country would not be coming in and taking over in two minutes.
The world is not bunnies and flowers, as you have pointed out, and the military keeps at bay those threats to your way of life.
Nich, Hbaby… I sat and read through your posts and I had to contain myself, as I wanted to immediately respond prior to reading the rest. Now that I have done so… both of you should truly pack your shit and move the hell out of the US, and if you don’t live in the US, stay the hell out.
As a Soldier in the US Army, I do agree that sometimes, we step into shit that we shouldn’t, however, I challenge the both of you to go over to Iraq, go over to 'Stan. See what it is that we stepped into. See what it was like prior to us stepping in. Bone up on the atrocities that took place prior to us.
Yes, we have done some bad things as well, but hell, we too are human, but to stand on the soapbox you two are on is just “special.” I especially loved your detailed story on the birth of the US. Kinda happens throughout the world… War is a fact of life. Yes, peace is better, but as long as humans exist, there will be war. There will be conflict.
Soldiers/Warriors will always be needed. Am I “brainwashed” into the military way of thinking, fuck no. And even the most hardcore Soldiers I know aren’t.
Oh, and if I remember correctly, President Woodrow Wilson wanted us to stay out of conflict. He was an idealist, until the German U-boats attacked a ship of ours (either that or a cruise ship that had Americans on it). He begrudgingly whistled a different tune then. Long story short, you guys keep bumping your gums about how fucked up the US is.
I’ll keep defending our imperfect society from what our elected President and Congress deem a threat to us or our allies. I’ll also keep defending your rights to work your damned jaws (or fingers). Keep that in mind while you lay your ugly heads on your pillows at night.
Some real stupidity on this thread.
Rather than work to fix some problems in this country some people try to tear it down. Blame America!
These people are generally losers in real life, living in their mothers basements, unable to hold down jobs, in and out of jail, but on the internet they think they are heroes and the epitome of manhood.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Some real stupidity on this thread.
Rather than work to fix some problems in this country some people try to tear it down. Blame America!
These people are generally losers in real life, living in their mothers basements, unable to hold down jobs, in and out of jail, but on the internet they think they are heroes and the epitome of manhood.[/quote]
I tend to agree. Someone with the goal of making things better wouldn’t sit back and critique from the comfort of their own homes while throwing these types of remarks at the military as if all of us that served were simply mindless drones with no independent thought.
It is not cool to be this way. Life is not a John Mayer song and “Waiting on the world to change” should not be the goal if you want your children to live in a better place.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Some real stupidity on this thread.
Rather than work to fix some problems in this country some people try to tear it down. Blame America!
These people are generally losers in real life, living in their mothers basements, unable to hold down jobs, in and out of jail, but on the internet they think they are heroes and the epitome of manhood.
I tend to agree. Someone with the goal of making things better wouldn’t sit back and critique from the comfort of their own homes while throwing these types of remarks at the military as if all of us that served were simply mindless drones with no independent thought.
It is not cool to be this way. Life is not a John Mayer song and “Waiting on the world to change” should not be the goal if you want your children to live in a better place.[/quote]
But it’s such a beautiful song!
[quote]Beast27195 wrote:
Nich, Hbaby… I sat and read through your posts and I had to contain myself, as I wanted to immediately respond prior to reading the rest. Now that I have done so… both of you should truly pack your shit and move the hell out of the US, and if you don’t live in the US, stay the hell out.
As a Soldier in the US Army, I do agree that sometimes, we step into shit that we shouldn’t, however, I challenge the both of you to go over to Iraq, go over to 'Stan. See what it is that we stepped into. See what it was like prior to us stepping in. Bone up on the atrocities that took place prior to us.
Yes, we have done some bad things as well, but hell, we too are human, but to stand on the soapbox you two are on is just “special.” I especially loved your detailed story on the birth of the US. Kinda happens throughout the world… War is a fact of life. Yes, peace is better, but as long as humans exist, there will be war. There will be conflict.
Soldiers/Warriors will always be needed. Am I “brainwashed” into the military way of thinking, fuck no. And even the most hardcore Soldiers I know aren’t.
Oh, and if I remember correctly, President Woodrow Wilson wanted us to stay out of conflict. He was an idealist, until the German U-boats attacked a ship of ours (either that or a cruise ship that had Americans on it). He begrudgingly whistled a different tune then. Long story short, you guys keep bumping your gums about how fucked up the US is.
I’ll keep defending our imperfect society from what our elected President and Congress deem a threat to us or our allies. I’ll also keep defending your rights to work your damned jaws (or fingers). Keep that in mind while you lay your ugly heads on your pillows at night. [/quote]
Yeah! Like it or leave it! Thats the mentality!
Fuck change, I’ll take first class down the shitter!
Do you guys THINK?
[quote]HangerBaby wrote:
Beast27195 wrote:
Nich, Hbaby… I sat and read through your posts and I had to contain myself, as I wanted to immediately respond prior to reading the rest. Now that I have done so… both of you should truly pack your shit and move the hell out of the US, and if you don’t live in the US, stay the hell out.
As a Soldier in the US Army, I do agree that sometimes, we step into shit that we shouldn’t, however, I challenge the both of you to go over to Iraq, go over to 'Stan. See what it is that we stepped into. See what it was like prior to us stepping in. Bone up on the atrocities that took place prior to us.
Yes, we have done some bad things as well, but hell, we too are human, but to stand on the soapbox you two are on is just “special.” I especially loved your detailed story on the birth of the US. Kinda happens throughout the world… War is a fact of life. Yes, peace is better, but as long as humans exist, there will be war. There will be conflict.
Soldiers/Warriors will always be needed. Am I “brainwashed” into the military way of thinking, fuck no. And even the most hardcore Soldiers I know aren’t.
Oh, and if I remember correctly, President Woodrow Wilson wanted us to stay out of conflict. He was an idealist, until the German U-boats attacked a ship of ours (either that or a cruise ship that had Americans on it). He begrudgingly whistled a different tune then. Long story short, you guys keep bumping your gums about how fucked up the US is.
I’ll keep defending our imperfect society from what our elected President and Congress deem a threat to us or our allies. I’ll also keep defending your rights to work your damned jaws (or fingers). Keep that in mind while you lay your ugly heads on your pillows at night.
Yeah! Like it or leave it! Thats the mentality!
Fuck change, I’ll take first class down the shitter!
Do you guys THINK?[/quote]
Yes we do. A lot more than you are, right now. It’s as simple as that. You speak of change, but what are you doing for that, besides letting your fingers fly. Tell me. What do you do that makes the nation, or the world for that matter?
[quote]Beast27195 wrote:
…
Yes we do. A lot more than you are, right now. It’s as simple as that. You speak of change, but what are you doing for that, besides letting your fingers fly. Tell me. What do you do that makes the nation, or the world for that matter?[/quote]
When I think of all the good things members of our military have done for others, such as delivering food, medical aid and infrastructure to people around the world and then I read tripe like some of these clowns are posting I get irate.
America isn’t perfect, everyone knows that. Nothing is perfect.
Our military men are still are worthy of our respect even if you happen to disagree with the policies of the civilian leadership.
The civilian leadership that we, the people, voted in. If we don’t like what’s going on, too bad. We voted for it.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Beast27195 wrote:
…
Yes we do. A lot more than you are, right now. It’s as simple as that. You speak of change, but what are you doing for that, besides letting your fingers fly. Tell me. What do you do that makes the nation, or the world for that matter?
When I think of all the good things members of our military have done for others, such as delivering food, medical aid and infrastructure to people around the world and then I read tripe like some of these clowns are posting I get irate.
America isn’t perfect, everyone knows that. Nothing is perfect.
Our military men are still are worthy of our respect even if you happen to disagree with the policies of the civilian leadership.
[/quote]
You tell me why I should respect the US Military as A WHOLE, instead of the individuals who earned it (all around the world)…
After seeing this:
TELL ME, I should BLINDLY respect something responsible for THAT
think again, pal
The US Military doesn’t earn shit from me, sure, they’re there, and that helps… but they don’t really protect, they’re more of an occupying, murder force. The individuals in the service that have made accomplishments of sacrifice, bravery, and all of those other fluffy things… THEY get my respect. It isn’t because they’re in the military either.
“a lot more than you actually”
BA! HAHA! Seriously man, think about your mentality real quick.
In life, there are many things you do not like doing
School
Work
Taxes
Fat girls
Life in general can be pretty unenjoyable
if people were just gonna “pack up and leave” every time they didn’t like something…
Suicides would be through the roof
Pretty much everyone would be homeless
Half of America would be gone
Everyone would be broke
War would be far more frequent
etc.
Basically, you have a “CONFORM OR DIE” attitude, “BELIEVE WHAT I BELIEVE OR YOU ARE A HOPELESS BASTARD WITH NO BRAIN”, and you say “OH WUT R U GONA DO BOUT IT”
What is an individual supposed to do to correct such a corrupt system? According to our beloved constitution, we’re supposed to TAKE UP ARMS AND THROW OUT THE GOVERNMENT. Well, thats a felony, and would probably land you in a torture chamber somewhere in Cuba. You guys claim so much freedoms here in the USA, but when you say “do something about the change you speak of” your mind fails to register that
There isnt much you can do
and due to an apathetic general public (what is it only 50% of adult citizens vote?)… Not much is going to happen.
Gas prices are up, instead of debates we have insults, war is all over the place, China owns our economy’s balls, 90% of the world doesn’t like us, we threaten everyone. Our government is run by old men who decide where our young men go to die, but haven’t seen a battlefield at all in a looong time (or ever). If you think it is ok to just “follow orders”, go to somewhere that really has nothing to do with us and kill people… because some old guys are concerned about the oil economy… you have been duped.
If we were to stay out of others business, we would be fine.
DO you think people pick a random country on the other side of the world and go “THEM, THEY DONT DO MUCH, BUT LETS ATTACK THEM”
Nope…