Peace, Propaganda & Promised Land

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]dannyrat wrote:
I don’t know what birkenstocks are, so no i don’t own any. You CAN’T delegitimise my point, as it is legitimate. You, however, are illegitimate. [/quote]

Geez, kiddo - you don’t read very well do you? Try reading my post again. maybe you will catch on after a few tries.

Please tell me why I am illegitimate. Do you have a copy of my birth certificate? You seem to think your logic is infallible. It is not. It is elementary at best, but it is good for achuckle to see such a self-worshipping blowhard like yourself bloviating on subjects you only read about in books.

I can’t either. I say we exteriminate the problem (islamo-nazi-fascism) at the source. You want to hold hands and feel their pain. I want them to rot in the desert and let the buzzards pick their bones clean.

Yours is an exercise in futility. Mine is not. You don’t like my solution. I don’t like yours.

Diplomacy tried and tried again is pointless. Apeasers should rot in hell.

They want a fucking jihad? I say we give them one.

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Here ya go, more stories about the terrorists using kids, but you can’t call it propaganda. It’s from CNN and they love the terrorists.

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Ok. Why did you reply again, with nothing to say, except to try to undermine my point. I admit my logic is fallible. I’m human. But i’m not wicked, i’m sympathetic sometimes. So i try to find the solution that doesn’t begin with ‘we exterminate the islamicists, then…’

I would support a tactically deployed group of shit-hot anti-terrorist soldiers who went in and fought hard in sticky man-to-man spots, like real men, not just firing off salvos and killing many civilians, hoping to ‘get one’.

And don’t come that ‘you only read about in books’ shit. Did you command a unit of the IDF? You’ve never been involved in Mideast diplomacy have you? No so don’t be silly.

I want to see your ugly hairy person going to war on TV, to fight the islamic terrorists soon then rainjack, since you’re a big tough guy who proposes indiscriminate genocide of the arabs to protect a nation of 6 million trespassers (a bit basic i admit but they did trespass). Your ‘solution’ is exactly like the ‘final solution’. cunt

You won’t ‘say anything’ as my posts ‘say it for themselves’. You have nothing at all to contribute. I only post as i’m bored and scrolling T-Nation archives right now, and for people who know, you’re exposure as a genocidal fascist

is quite funny.

All you propose is greater (numbers, not merit) death to end lesser death.

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[quote]ssn0 wrote:
“When you have a population that is being occupied, when their fundamental human rights are being systematically denied. When their not allowed to move from city to city or from place to place without huge amount of harrassment, when their being subject to torture, when people are essentially in desperate conditions its not a surprise that they are going to be very, very angry.”

“They feel so helpless in the face of a powerful israeli army. that some palestinians think that the only answer, and I condemn this, but some palestinians think that the only response to a powerful army is a guerilla tactic, going into israel and setting bombs off in cities. and there’s increasing support among palestinians because of the growing frustration of not going anywhere.”[/quote]

Listen dork, Israel has the right to occupy their own land. Israel is not going around setting off bombs in market places and killing innocent people. They are only defending themselves from all the Arab nations who publicly state that they want to destroy Israel. In the past and present Israel has made many concessions to live with the Arabs peaceably. And yet this is never enough for these idiots because they will not rest until Israel is removed from the face of the earth.

So if you are looking for some sympathy from thinking people in regards to these Muslim idiots you have come to the wrong place.

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[quote]dannyrat wrote:
Ok. Why did you reply again, with nothing to say, except to try to undermine my point. I admit my logic is fallible. I’m human. But i’m not wicked, i’m sympathetic sometimes. So i try to find the solution that doesn’t begin with ‘we exterminate the islamicists, then…’ [/quote]

I had something to say - whether or not you have the cerebral capacity to understand it is a different matter all together.

War is about killing people and breaking things. There is no room for PC bullshit on the battle field. But you just don’t understand that concept. Collateral damage can be a huge huge weapon - see WWII if you need a better understanding of that concept.

And neither have you. You are just a kid that prefers reading a book in a garden to actually living life. You made the point - I am merely reminding you of it.

I have served - I would gladly serve again. In fact I tried to get back in, but I am too old. Have you ever made an attempt to join anything but a discussion?

Once again you misread. You do that a lot. it is not a hard skill to master - just read and comprehend the words that are written. Simplicity escapes you. I was very specific in who I want to see rotting in the desert. It is not my fault that you have a distinct reading disability.

Aren’t the best solutions final decisions? If they aren’t then what kind of solution are they?

Do you know what facsist means? I have no desire for the U.S. to take over the middle east. I just want to kill the fuckers that want to kill me. That’s not genocide - please refer what I have just written wrt your reading disability.

I propose fighting islamo-nazi-fascism the way they want to fight it. It stands to reason that I want to kill more of them than they kill of us. That is how you win wars.

Now - back to my challenge to you: Prove that I am illegitimate. You are all too quick with the words - but slow to back them up. Does cowardice run in your family?

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For you- i like to read in the garden on a sunny day, also lift, fuck, box, listen to music, go clubbing, dance with black women, drink lots of vodka, see nature and stuff on a good day, drive a car fast, jump off cliffs, go surfing, etc. You can’t just stereotype me man. You don’t know me at all. All you know and try to attack is how much more i’ve read on this subject than you.

Okay, please tell me in basic terms what you are saying.

Here’s what i’m saying [quote] Just for balance. Both sides indoctrinate their kids like that. Kids are little sponges in their environment.[/quote]

Here’s what i think you’re saying, in essence [quote]

There is no utopia. Kids are kids. Boys are boys. Until you find a way to suck the last bit of testosterone from the male endocrine system - you are barking up a tree.

(pussifying children= less propensity for war-reflex)

dannyrat wrote:
Man, just because fuck et al are taboo due to norman suppression of anglo saxon words, doesn’t mean it’s big or clever that you attack the person when you can’t delegitimise the argument

I picked out one part of your diatribe that was stupid.

No illusions of being clever here. Just calling stupidity where it is blatantly obvious.

I could honestly give a flying fuck about your “argument” - much less waste my day trying to “delegitimitise” it. you do a great job of that just by posting.

Point being - there will never be the "utopia’ you want. To think so is naivity in it’s most basic form.

You wouldn’t by chance own a pair of Birkenstocks(sp?) - would you?

(nothing- personal attack)

(reiteration of validity of 1st post)

it is good for achuckle to see such a self-worshipping blowhard like yourself bloviating on subjects you only read about in books.

I say we exteriminate the problem (islamo-nazi-fascism) at the source. You want to hold hands and feel their pain. I want them to rot in the desert and let the buzzards pick their bones clean. (i admit you were specific. later you referred to supporting a jihad, which is not quite such a discerning style of war)

War is about killing people and breaking things. There is no room for PC bullshit on the battle field. But you just don’t understand that concept. Collateral damage can be a huge huge weapon

(glorifying what is recognised as indiscriminate slaughter)

Do you know what facsist means? I have no desire for the U.S. to take over the middle east. I just want to kill the fuckers that want to kill me. (a hard task awaits you, and a long queue i imagine) [/quote]

Okay did i get it? You want to kill all terrorists. You want them in the desert. Where you and i differ, is you believe collateral damage to be a positive offensive weapon against terrorism. Think about why it would not be good to kill many innocents in a country that suffers from nationalistic terrorism.

I can’t prove you are illegitimate, but my dog did fuck your mother, that may explain the body hair pattern, but i’m only speculating

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[quote]dannyrat wrote:
I can’t prove you are illegitimate, but my dog did fuck your mother, that may explain the body hair pattern, but i’m only speculating[/quote]

Internet tough guy.

You have just marginalized your entire, pathetic non-contribution to this forum.

And really - is this the best you have?

My daughter can come up with better insults than that - and she’s only 12.

I will tell you right now - you DO NOT want to get into an insult contest with me. Not with the embarassing wit you have displayed with this last line.

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[quote]dannyrat wrote:
I don’t know what birkenstocks are, so no i don’t own any.
[/quote]
This is way off-topic, but if you don’t know what birkenstocks are, how do you know you don’t own any?

Maybe your toothbrush and one of your towels are birkenstocks.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Collateral damage can be a huge huge weapon - see WWII if you need a better understanding of that concept.
[/quote]
Collateral damage might be anticipated, and might be incidentally helpful to the cause. But by definition, collateral damage is accidental – otherwise, it is not collateral damage.

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Israel is recognized by the free world and the United Nations as a legitimate independant state. They have free elections and a constitution. They allow citizenry (including women) to vote, practice whatever religion they desire and to speak freely. Get over it they will no more give up their country than the US will give itself back to the Native Americans.

They have an excellent education system that uses the accumulation of world thought and they don’t rely solely on the visions of a desert nomad for a curriculum. They have a health care system that is second to none, and which provides charity care to the poor (including many palestinians).

They have had the ability for many years to completely occupy and control the Eastern Mediterranian and have refrained from doing so, opting instead to negotiate for GAZA, the Golan Heights and withdrawal from So. Lebanon.

At what point are you going to face the reality of the state of Israel? Does this country not have the right to defend itself? Should they allow themselves to be taken over to become another repressed Islamic state without any of the freedoms an advanced society enjoys? Should they have allowed Yasser Arafat to participate in an open election then subjugate themselves to the will of Allah?

Would you like to see a palestinian state patterned after the Islamic state of Iran?

I’m curious why someone who enjoys all the freedoms of a democratic society would wish the further advancement of fascist subjugation on the people of the middle east.

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Palestinian Refugees have the right to return to their homes in Israel.
General Assembly Resolution 194, Dec. 11, 1948

“Resolves that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbors should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible.”

Israel’s occupation of Palestine is Illegal.
Security Council Resolution 242, Nov. 22, 1967

Calls for the withdrawal of Israeli forces from territories occupied in the war that year and “the acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every state in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force.”

Israel’s settlements in Palestine are Illegal.
Security Council Resolution 446, March 22, 1979

“Determines that the policy and practices of Israel in establishing settlements in the Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied since 1967 have no legal validity and constitute a serious obstruction to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East.”

Palestinian have the right to Self-Determination.
General Assembly Resolution 3236, November 22, 1974

Affirms “the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine…to self-determination without external interference” and “to national independence and sovereignty.”

Reaffirmation of a Palestinian State
Security Council Resolution 1397, March 12, 2002

Affirms “a vision of a region where two states, Israel and Palestine, live side by side within secure and recognized borders.”

Also see:

UN General Assembly Resolution 181 - the 1947 Partition plan of Palestine and the creation of Israel.

International Humanitarian Law: the Geneva Conventions - 150 years of international designated protection of civilians during wartime and Israel’s explicit violations.

History of the Palestinian Problem - from the Division for Palestinian Rights, United Nations

Countless More UN Resolutions on Israel - 1955-1992

More UN Resolutions on Israel, 1955-1992

Resolution 106: condemns Israel for Gaza raid.
Resolution 111: condemns Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people.
Resolution 127: recommends Israel suspend its no-man’s zone’ in Jerusalem.
Resolution 162: urges Israel to comply with UN decisions.
Resolution 171: determines flagrant violations by Israel in its attack on Syria.
Resolution 228: censures Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control.
Resolution 237: urges Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees.
Resolution 248: condemns Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan.
Resolution 250: calls on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem.
Resolution 251: deeply deplores Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250.
Resolution 252: declares invalid Israel’s acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital.
Resolution 256: condemns Israeli raids on Jordan as flagrant violation.
Resolution 259: deplores Israel’s refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation.
Resolution 262: condemns Israel for attack on Beirut airport.
Resolution 265: condemns Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan.
Resolution 267: censures Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem.
Resolution 270: condemns Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon.
Resolution 271: condemns Israel’s failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem.
Resolution 279: demands withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon.
Resolution 280: condemns Israeli’s attacks against Lebanon.
Resolution 285: demands immediate Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon.
Resolution 298: deplores Israel’s changing of the status of Jerusalem.
Resolution 313: demands that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon.
Resolution 316: condemns Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon.
Resolution 317: deplores Israel’s refusal to release.
Resolution 332: condemns Israel’s repeated attacks against Lebanon.
Resolution 337: condemns Israel for violating Lebanon’s sovereignty.
Resolution 347: condemns Israeli attacks on Lebanon.
Resolution 425: calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon.
Resolution 427: calls on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon.
Resolution 444: deplores Israel’s lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces.
Resolution 446: determines that Israeli settlements are a serious obstruction to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention
Resolution 450: calls on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon.
Resolution 452: calls on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories.
Resolution 465: deplores Israel’s settlements and asks all member states not to assist its settlements program.
Resolution 467: strongly deplores Israel’s military intervention in Lebanon.
Resolution 468: calls on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return.
Resolution 469: strongly deplores Israel’s failure to observe the council’s order not to deport Palestinians.
Resolution 471: expresses deep concern at Israel’s failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.
Resolution 476: reiterates that Israel’s claim to Jerusalem are null and void.
Resolution 478: censures (Israel) in the strongest terms for its claim to Jerusalem in its Basic Law.
Resolution 484: declares it imperative that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors.
Resolution 487: strongly condemns Israel for its attack on Iraq’s nuclear facility.
Resolution 497: decides that Israel’s annexation of Syria’s Golan Heights
is null and void and demands that Israel rescinds its decision forthwith.
Resolution 498: calls on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon.
Resolution 501: calls on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops.
Resolution 509: demands that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon.
Resolution 515: demands that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in.
Resolution 517: censures Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon.
Resolution 518: demands that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon.
Resolution 520: condemns Israel’s attack into West Beirut.
Resolution 573: condemns Israel vigorously for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters.
Resolution 587: takes note of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw.
Resolution 592: strongly deplores the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops.
Resolution 605: strongly deplores Israel’s policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians.
Resolution 607: calls on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.
Resolution 608: deeply regrets that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians.
Resolution 636: deeply regrets Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians.
Resolution 641: deplores Israel’s continuing deportation of Palestinians.
Resolution 672: condemns Israel for violence against Palestinians at the Haram Al-Sharif/Temple Mount.
Resolution 673: deplores Israel’s refusal to cooperate with the United Nations.
Resolution 681: deplores Israel’s resumption of the deportation of Palestinians.
Resolution 694: deplores Israel’s deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return.
Resolution 726: strongly condemns Israel’s deportation of Palestinians.
Resolution 799: strongly condemns Israel’s deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return.
http://www.jatonyc.org/UNresolutions.html

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Israel Charged with Systematic Harassment of U.S. Marines
On March 14, 1983, the commandant of the Marine Corps sent a highly unusual letter to the secretary of defense expressing frustration and anger at Israel. General R.H. Barrow charged that Israeli troops were deliberately threatening the lives of Marines serving as peacekeepers in Lebanon. There was, he wrote, a systematic pattern of harassment by Israel Defense Forces (IDF) that was resulting in ?life-threatening situations, replete with verbal degradation of the officers, their uniform and country.?

The following is the complete text of a letter from General Robert H. Barrow, Commandant of the U.S. Marine Corps, to Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger. General Barrow sent a copy of the letter to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

March 14, 1983

Dear Mr. Secretary:

I must formally register my deep concern over the two unprovoked incidents in Beirut of this past weekend involving Marines of the Multinational Force and members of the Israeli Defense Forces. I had considered commenting on earlier incidents between Marines and the IDF but corrective measures, which were rapidly implemented in February 1983, appeared to defuse the situation. I can no longer remain silent on this continual problem of provocation from the IDF.

In addition to the U.S. MNF incidents, I have received information concerning serious harassing incidents by the IDF of U.S. officers attached to the United Nations Truce Supervisory Organization (UNTSO). These particular incidents involved USMC and USA officers in life-threatening situations, replete with verbal degradation of the officers, their uniform and country. Unfortunately, and of greater concern to me, incidents of this nature are the rule, rather than the exception.

It is evident to me, and the opinion of the U.S. Commanders afloat and ashore, that the incidents between the Marines and the IDF are timed, orchestrated, and executed for obtuse Israeli political purposes. The U.S. has been prompt and forthcoming in defusing previous problems and has established a viable communications procedure between the Marines and IDF. The IDF, however, persist in creating serious incidents.

I am distinctly proud to have Marines participating both as members of the Multinational Force and with UNTSO under the auspices of the United Nations. It is inconceivable to me why Americans -serving in peacekeeping roles-must be harassed, endangered, and degraded by an ally.

Previous demarches and diplomatic initiatives have not eliminated difficulties between our Marines and the IDF. Additionally, the expansion of communications links and the use of Liaison Officers will not preclude additional problems, unless the attitude and actions of the Israelis are altered. It is time for firm and strong action, to demonstrate to the Israelis that a role as a peacekeeper does not presume weakness. If anything, the Israelis should respect our efforts in this region.

Warm personal regards,

Sincerely,

R. H. Barrow

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FOX NEWS Report: Israel & 9/11: Largest spying operation ever uncovered In the U.S.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7545.htm

[quote]"Fox News has learned that some American terrorist investigators fear certain suspects in the Sept. 11 attacks may have managed to stay ahead of them, by knowing who and when investigators are calling on the telephone. How? By obtaining and analyzing data that’s generated every time someone in the U.S. makes a call.

What troubles investigators most, particularly in New York, in the counter terrorism investigation of the World Trade Center attack, is that on a number of cases, suspects that they had sought to wiretap and survey immediately changed their telecommunications processes and started acting much differently as soon as those supposedly secret wiretaps went into place."[/quote]

[quote]BRIT HUME: Carl, what about this question of advanced knowledge of what was going to happen on 9/11? How clear are investigators that some Israeli agents may have known something?

CARL CAMERON: It’s very explosive information, obviously, and there’s a great deal of evidence that they say they have collected – none of it necessarily conclusive. It’s more when they put it all together. A bigger question, they say, is how could they not have know? Almost a direct quote.[/quote]

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
dannyrat wrote:
If we worked towards making all environments for kids a sweet place to be, what a utopia would emerge. But we’ve never truly tried that, because we’re too proud, and there’s always ‘just one more war’.

There is no utopia. Kids are kids. Boys are boys. Until you find a way to suck the last bit of testosterone from the male endocrine system - you are barking up a tree.

I find your desire to pussify the children odd.

Why is it you are here at T-Nation if you honestly think it is a good thing emasclulate the male of our species? [/quote]

How did he say pussify children? He makes a good point you fucking hick. We do have the ability to make a better enviornment for our children , just by making a substantial change in society, in the ways that we raise them. Everybody in this nation is scared to death of change, except passing an act that shit on our civil rights and everything this country was founded upon.

We should focus on teaching our kids to think for themselves, teach them individuality. If we fail to do this they may wind up like some of you who still refuse to think outside the box.

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“We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.”
(David Ben-Gurion, May 1948)

Pro-Israel PAC Contributions to 2006 Congressional Candidates

EU poll: Israel ‘biggest threat’ to world peace
U.S. beats out ‘axis of evil’ in causing global instability
October 31, 2003
2003?WorldNetDaily.com
Over half of Europeans think Israel poses the “biggest threat to world peace,” according to a controversial poll commissioned by the European Commission.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35383

Report: Israel responsible for PA collapse
Scathing report issued by Phycisians for Human Rights organization says Palestinian healthcare system collapsing because of aid cuts, Israel curfews; report warns Israel will be held responsible for collapse by international community.

Gaza Power Plant Hit by Israeli Airstrike is Insured by US Agency
WASHINGTON - The Palestinian power plant bombed by Israeli forces Tuesday is insured by a US government agency, and US officials say they expect American funds to be used to pay for the damage.

The destruction of the 140-megawatt reactor, the only one in the Gaza Strip, threatens to create a humanitarian disaster because the plant supplies electricity to two-thirds of Gaza’s 1.3 million residents and operates pumps that provide water supplies.
http://www.missourileadership.com/story/2006/7/1/73110/65857

U.S. to pay $48 million to cover damages to Gaza power station
http://www.missourileadership.com/story/2006/7/3/91430/67089

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[quote]ghengis wrote:
Israel is recognized by the free world and the United Nations as a legitimate independant state. They have free elections and a constitution. They allow citizenry (including women) to vote, practice whatever religion they desire and to speak freely. Get over it they will no more give up their country than the US will give itself back to the Native Americans.

They have an excellent education system that uses the accumulation of world thought and they don’t rely solely on the visions of a desert nomad for a curriculum. They have a health care system that is second to none, and which provides charity care to the poor (including many palestinians).

They have had the ability for many years to completely occupy and control the Eastern Mediterranian and have refrained from doing so, opting instead to negotiate for GAZA, the Golan Heights and withdrawal from So. Lebanon.

At what point are you going to face the reality of the state of Israel? Does this country not have the right to defend itself? Should they allow themselves to be taken over to become another repressed Islamic state without any of the freedoms an advanced society enjoys? Should they have allowed Yasser Arafat to participate in an open election then subjugate themselves to the will of Allah?

Would you like to see a palestinian state patterned after the Islamic state of Iran?

I’m curious why someone who enjoys all the freedoms of a democratic society would wish the further advancement of fascist subjugation on the people of the middle east.[/quote]

What are you talking about? Did you even watch the prsentation? I don’t think you did if you are talking about this. This video talks about Israeli settlements in Palestinian territory and things like on one side of the fence you have watered green lawns and on the other Palestinians don’t have running water for more than two hours a week and the western media bias.

It has nothing to do with the state of Israel existing.

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I can copy and paste too.

UN Resolution 181, defined the outline of a settlement in Palestine creating both a Jewish and a Palestinian homeland. The 1947 UN Partition divided the area into three entities: a Jewish state, an Arab state, and an international zone around Jerusalem.

At midnight on May 14, 1948, the Provisional Government of Israel proclaimed the new State of Israel. On that same date the United States, in the person of President Truman, recognized the provisional Jewish government as de facto authority of the new Jewish state (de jure recognition was extended on January 31). The U.S. delegates to the U.N. and top ranking State Department officials were angered that Truman released his recognition statement to the press without notifying them first. On May 15, 1948, the Arab states issued their response statement and Arab armies invaded Israel and the first Arab-Israeli war began.

http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/israel/large/israel.htm

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FBI Probes Espionage at Clinton White House - suspected telecommunications espionage
Insight
May 29, 2000
The espionage operation may have serious ramifications because the FBI has identified Israel as the culprit.

More than two dozen U.S. intelligence, counterintelligence, law-enforcement and other officials have told Insight that the FBI believes Israel has intercepted telephone and modem communications on some of the most sensitive lines of the U.S. government on an ongoing basis. The worst penetrations are believed to be in the State Department. But others say the supposedly secure telephone systems in the White House, Defense Department and Justice Department may have been compromised as well…

“It has been an eye opener,” says one high-ranking U.S. government official, shaking his head in horror as to the potential level and scope of penetration…

…The potential loss of U.S. secrets is incalculable. So is the possibility that senior U.S. officials could be blackmailed for indiscreet phone talk.
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_20_16/ai_62401780/print

Israel’s Deliberate Attack on the U.S.S. Liberty
http://www.wingtv.net/documentaries.html

‘The USS Liberty’: America’s Most Shameful Secret
‘Liberty’ had been rushed to Sinai to monitor communications of the belligerents in the Third Arab Israeli War: Israel and her foes, Egypt, Syria, and Jordan.

At 0800 hrs, 8 June, 1967, eight Israeli recon flights flew over ‘Liberty,’ which was flying a large American flag. At 1400 hrs, waves of low-flying Israeli Mystere and Mirage-III fighter-bombers repeatedly attacked the American vessel with rockets, napalm, and cannon. The air attacks lasted 20 minutes, concentrating on the ship’s electronic antennas and dishes. The ‘Liberty’ was left afire, listing sharply. Eight of her crew lay dead, a hundred seriously wounded, including the captain, Commander William McGonagle.

At 1424 hrs, three Israeli torpedo boats attacked, raking the burning ‘Liberty’ with 20mm and 40mm shells. At 1431hrs an Israeli torpedo hit the ‘Liberty’ midship, precisely where the signals intelligence systems were located. Twenty-five more Americans died.

Israeli gunboats circled the wounded ‘Liberty,’ firing at crewmen trying to fight the fires. At 1515, the crew were ordered to abandon ship. The Israeli warships closed and poured machine gun fire into the crowded life rafts, sinking two. As American sailors were being massacred in cold blood, a rescue mission by US Sixth Fleet carrier aircraft was mysteriously aborted on orders from the White House.

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Israel celebrating terrorism…

British anger at terror celebration
The Times - July 20, 2006
The commemoration of Israeli bombings that killed 92 people has caused offence

AS ISRAEL wages war against Hezbollah “terrorists” in Lebanon, Britain has protested about the celebration by right-wing Israelis of a Jewish “act of terrorism” against British rule 60 years ago this week…

On the day her brother and his fellow fighters posed as Arabs delivering milk and brought seven milk churns, each containing 50kg of explosives, into the building.

Israel Honors Egyptian Spies 50 Years After Fiasco
Reuters
Haaretz
March 30, 2005
After half a century of reticence and recrimination, Israel on Wednesday honored nine Egyptian Jews recruited as agents-provocateur in what became one of the worst intelligence bungles in the country’s history.

Israel was at war with Egypt when it hatched a plan in 1954 to ruin its rapprochement with the United States and Britain by firebombing sites frequented by foreigners in Cairo and Alexandria.

But Israeli hoped the attacks, which caused no casualties, would be blamed on local insurgents collapsed when the young Zionist bombers were caught and confessed at public trials. Two were hanged. The rest served jail terms and emigrated to Israel…

Both times busted pretending to be Arabs…

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[quote]MisterAmazing wrote:
How did he say pussify children? He makes a good point you fucking hick. We do have the ability to make a better enviornment for our children , just by making a substantial change in society, in the ways that we raise them. Everybody in this nation is scared to death of change, except passing an act that shit on our civil rights and everything this country was founded upon.[/quote]

I just love the way you tough guys get on here and name call in lieu of a real response. I doubt you would be so fucking brave in person.

You honestly think you have a better way to raise children than the way is’t been done since there were children?

I am sick of the liberal bullshit. how many goddamned times did you read Hilary’s book? Dr. Spock’s offering?

My kids do. what’s so fucking new about that? My God - I would a year’s pay that you are nothing more than another fucking kid that has no clue about life other than what George Soros has told you to think - and you want to raise free thinking kids?

Hick, huh? at least I am proud enough to put my location down - pussies like you hide even while playing the fucking tough guy. You are a bitch.