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Why does everyone think you have to pick sides? Both sides are ruthlessly in their actions and killings of civilians. Hizbollah sucks so much I cannot comprehend it my self. The are a authoritarian religious movement, who kidnaps people, have suicidebombings(even amongst children) have smearcampaigns against libyen homosexuals, and many many other bad things.
But does that mean you automatically take the side of israel? Israel who for apparently many americans are a lighthouse of democratic freedom, and therefore look away from the violation of human rights, the kidnappings, the torture, the apartheid-like conditions, and much much more. How can anyone defend these actions performed by the Israeli government?
Some say “but hizbollah hides in civilian residental neighbourhoods”. yes but how does killing one hizbollah justifies the killings of hundreds og civilians (including children).
Is it okay to shoot everyone in the bank, just to hit the bankrobber?
Picture this. You are eitjer in libanon or israel with your dead baby in your hands - and someone tells you - well that was a necessity to kill the evil terrorist (and yes I do believe they are sons of bitches). It’s pretty easy for you too say, when you are on the other side of the big lake, not even knowing where in the world the gaza is.
Have some respect for the civilian individual who does not want to participate in this war. And bear in mind that these violent actions have a root - and this root just keeps on growing when killing even more wifes and daughters and infants.
[quote]Hoejer wrote:
Why does everyone think you have to pick sides? Both sides are ruthlessly in their actions and killings of civilians. Hizbollah sucks so much I cannot comprehend it my self. The are a authoritarian religious movement, who kidnaps people, have suicidebombings(even amongst children) have smearcampaigns against libyen homosexuals, and many many other bad things.
But does that mean you automatically take the side of israel? Israel who for apparently many americans are a lighthouse of democratic freedom, and therefore look away from the violation of human rights, the kidnappings, the torture, the apartheid-like conditions, and much much more. How can anyone defend these actions performed by the Israeli government?
Some say “but hizbollah hides in civilian residental neighbourhoods”. yes but how does killing one hizbollah justifies the killings of hundreds og civilians (including children).
Is it okay to shoot everyone in the bank, just to hit the bankrobber?
Picture this. You are eitjer in libanon or israel with your dead baby in your hands - and someone tells you - well that was a necessity to kill the evil terrorist (and yes I do believe they are sons of bitches). It’s pretty easy for you too say, when you are on the other side of the big lake, not even knowing where in the world the gaza is.
Have some respect for the civilian individual who does not want to participate in this war. And bear in mind that these violent actions have a root - and this root just keeps on growing when killing even more wifes and daughters and infants. [/quote]
Finally, somebody who posted with half a fucking brain. The Israelis and arabs have both been senselessly killing each other for years and years. Guess who won? Oh yeah! Nobody!
Not one of these morons has realized that they’re getting nowhere, so they keep blowing each other up. It’s a shithole, piece of fucking sand, really. These people are all complete scum, they’re wastes, all they do is kill. They both kill innocents, they both have no regard for life, they’re both wrong.
It’s funny to watch these dolts here argue over who’s right and wrong, like those two words even exist to those people. Then everybody licks some guys ass for doing an internet search about how many jackass arabs run around with bombs on them, wtf?
My question to all those picking sides here is: Were you born a moron, or did you go to college for that?
This guy makes another good point of how everybody just has to agree with Israel for some dumbass reason. You think the Jews are any more right than the arabs? Forget that they run our media and most other crap here for a second (if the drones here can think for themselves temporarily), and look at this from a moral persepctive as opposed to a political one. Are they right? How people can be this dumb is beyond my comprehension.
[quote]doogie wrote:
ssn0 wrote:
Oops sorry about that! Ya obviously I dont fucking care man, your trash. Holy shit, are you serious? you can’t be.
“You’re” trash.
Keep at it. You’ll accidentally get it right someday. Until then, work on through these:
http://web.uvic.ca/wguide/Pages/UsYour.html
http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10881-6075621.html#
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lmao good post doogie, * *Your a legend. :0)
[quote]doogie wrote:
I don’t actually read any news sites on the web on a regular basis. Mostly just links from this forum.
If I did visit a bunch of sites daily, why do you think they should be anti-Israel, anti-western, anti-American based sites? That is insane.[/quote]
I didn’t say they should be anti-western. You should however take a look at each perspective, instead of relying on the one you agree with. Such one-sided thinking is why you will never entertain the idea that possibly everything the US does isn’t right.
You will always justify the actions of our country no matter how horrendous(Nagasaki? Hiroshima? Latin America? School of Americas? etc). So instead of looking at a situation from every angle to form an educated opinion you only care for one side’s take on the subject. You’re incapable of forming a valid opinion because you only care about one side. YOUR side.
And why the fuck do you even choose a side? Both are controlled/lead by power hungry psychopaths who hold little regard for human life, and that’s on BOTH side’s of the field.
Our murder is acceptable because we’re the United States? When they behead someone they’re barbaric, but when we cluster bomb a family of 4 and dismember every individual in the family in less than a second, we’re civilized…Uh huh.
[quote]doogie wrote:
For the record, my first degree was a B.A. in political science with a dual focus on Force in International Politics and Campaign Management. What do you bring to these discussions, Hulk? Other than an inferiority complex, of course.[/quote]
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHH your degree really, reallly impresses me.
How many hours of regurgitated political literature did you have to sit through to earn your false sense of arrogant superiority and validated opinion? Your degree means about as much as the gum on my shoe.
[quote]doogie wrote:
What facts do you dispute in the things I cut and pasted? You haven’t pointed out a single one, so I assume you have been unable to prove any of it false. Did I photoshop those photos? Did I make up the articles from the NY Times and Fort Worth Star Telegram?[/quote]
Do you seriously think anyone took the time to read your 10 posts of drivel?
[quote]doogie wrote:
“The Fourth Geneva Convention goes into great and elaborate detail about how to assign fault when military activities take place in civilian areas… Hamas is at war with Israel. But instead of separating themselves from the general population in military camps and wearing uniforms, as required by international law, Hamas members and other Palestinian terrorists try to use civilians – the “protected persons” mentioned in [The Fourth Geneva Convention] 3:1:28 – as living camouflage. To prevent such a thing from happening, international law explicitly gives Israel the right to conduct military operations against military targets under these circumstances.”
http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/53201.htm
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You linked to an OP ED piece??? LOL
And your link doesn’t work.
[quote]doogie wrote:
The editorial board of the Ft. Worth Star-Telegram wrote:
“According to the AP, polls repeatedly have recorded majority Palestinian backing for suicide bombings, with a recent survey indicating more than 60 percent approval. In such an atmosphere, amid accounts of parents piously sanctioning the idea of their offspring becoming instruments of civilian death, perhaps the idea of an infant swaddled in guerrilla’s clothes should not be so shocking after all.”
http://www.dfw.com/mld/startelegram/news/editorial/3626469.htm[/quote]
Link doesn’t work.
[quote]doogie wrote:For a comparative perspective on the Israeli attitude toward Palestinian children, the media can look at an event this week in Israel: A 7-year-old Palestinian girl from Jerusalem is recovering well after receiving a kidney from Jonathan Jesner, the Jewish student from Scotland who was killed in a recent Palestinian suicide bombing.
Link doesn’t work.
[quote]doogie wrote:
“And if this be the case, why doesn’t a single one of all the sheikhs who compete amongst themselves in issuing fiery religious rulings, send his son? Why doesn’t a single one of the leaders who cannot restrain himself in expressing his joy and ecstasy on the satellite channels every time a young Palestinian man or woman sets out to blow himself or herself up send his son?” http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/A/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1034014715076[/quote]
Link doesn’t work.
Yeah, you’re awesome Doog!
[quote]harris447 wrote:
ssn0 wrote:
No he just sounds a bit dillusional .
Dillusional: (adj.) the state of falsely thinking everything tastes like pickles
Do you, perhaps, see a correlation between your piss-poor spelling, grammar, etc., and the fact that people don’t take you seriously?
You come off (and this is without taking into account your crackpot ideas, faulty logic, or lazy reasoning) like a moron 16-year-old.
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Hehehehe … love the pickle.
Misteramazing > I agree in your point of view. These days in the middle east it’s more of an argument of who hit back first. Initiated violence against others IS evil, and the victim has the unequivocal right to fight back BUT NOT on the expense of other individuals - in this case civilians.
It’s a very tragic and probalby never-ending story. You have two sides, which both have lost multiple children, wifes and infants - and therefore the more the dead people - the more the support to fanatic groups like hizbollah or support to the israel governments war.
You cannot just give a land of promise to a people - there were people there in the first place - but now you cannot take it away from the Israelian people. Most of them grew up there, it’s their life.
It’s sad situation, were the loss of innocent lives takes a toll.
Then again. The things we’ve seen the Amerian army do too civilians in Iraq is not pretty either.
[quote]harris447 wrote:
Gregus wrote:
harris447 wrote:
ssn0 wrote:
No he just sounds a bit dillusional .
Dillusional: (adj.) the state of falsely thinking everything tastes like pickles
Do you, perhaps, see a correlation between your piss-poor spelling, grammar, etc., and the fact that people don’t take you seriously?
You come off (and this is without taking into account your crackpot ideas, faulty logic, or lazy reasoning) like a moron 16-year-old.
When you can’t attack what a person says, attack how they say it. When that does not work attack them personally.
It’s the classic internet approach. Whew, i hope i did not spell any words incorrectly as it would detract from this posts point. Oh and don’t take me quoting you personally but not taking a subject matter at hand seriously because of a spelling or gramatical error is silly.
You may not realise but to some of us English is a second or even a third language.
People HAVE attacked the content of his posts, and the only response the little (I’m quite positive ssn0 is a child) knucklehead has is something along the lines of, “Excuse me for blowing your mind,” or some ridiculous freshman year bullshit like that.
He is not a serious person. He has read too many Robert Anton Wilson books and not enough newspapers.
(“Wait, man: newspapers are PART OF THE CONSPIRACY! Does that destroy your plastic fantastic lifestyle, broseph?”)
As for the second or third language thing: this is an American website. Not just that, it is a website whose members have, without explicit agreement, decided that rules of grammar must be followed if one is to be listened to.
If you want to use idiot-speak like “dillusional,” then go to bodybuilding.com; they eat that shit up with a spoon.
This, however, is “Bodybuilding’s Think-Tank.” Thoughts require stringent coralling before they’re presentable to the outside world.
Or did I just blow your fucking mind?[/quote]
Just when you started selling me on your point of view and opinion of what this site is, you went and screwed it up with that last line and totally confirmed what i was getting across in my post. I suppose some poeple need to convey ideas through 4 letter words.
You’re a funny creature. Full of himself with a superiority complex. You’re a legend in your own mind, lol! One of those guys that thinks himself an Alpha Male…But he’s not, just a representation of one. Almost there, but one step short of enlightement.
Man that is fucked up. It’s wrong, irresponsible, and evil of the parents or cultural leaders to lead their children into violence, or to glamorise it. That is absolutely certain in my mind. No doubt.
But, wait.
I played with a toy gun when i was a child. So did you. So did all small males i believe. I was an aggressive little boy (still am, now i’m bigger) and i used to use sticks like sorts, and me and my friend used to smack each other’s knuckles, and necks, and ribcage, fucking hard, Just because we were boys, and if you haven’t noticed, war is a primary symbol of masculinity.
Also, before doogie drowns in congratulation at his insight and compelling distinction between the ‘good and the bad’, no-one here remember that there was a similar propaganda thread not 1 month ago? What was that called? Didn’t its how kids, at least fleetingly, dealing with and enjoying their nation’s preferred armaments? (in this case missiles and altogether more impressive equipment)
Just for balance. Both sides indoctrinate their kids like that. Kids are little sponges in their environment.
If we worked towards making all environments for kids a sweet place to be, what a utopia would emerge. But we’ve never truly tried that, because we’re too proud, and there’s always ‘just one more war’.
[quote]dannyrat wrote:
If we worked towards making all environments for kids a sweet place to be, what a utopia would emerge. But we’ve never truly tried that, because we’re too proud, and there’s always ‘just one more war’.
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There is no utopia. Kids are kids. Boys are boys. Until you find a way to suck the last bit of testosterone from the male endocrine system - you are barking up a tree.
I find your desire to pussify the children odd.
Why is it you are here at T-Nation if you honestly think it is a good thing emasclulate the male of our species?
[quote]Gregus wrote:
harris447 wrote:
Gregus wrote:
harris447 wrote:
ssn0 wrote:
No he just sounds a bit dillusional .
Dillusional: (adj.) the state of falsely thinking everything tastes like pickles
Do you, perhaps, see a correlation between your piss-poor spelling, grammar, etc., and the fact that people don’t take you seriously?
You come off (and this is without taking into account your crackpot ideas, faulty logic, or lazy reasoning) like a moron 16-year-old.
When you can’t attack what a person says, attack how they say it. When that does not work attack them personally.
It’s the classic internet approach. Whew, i hope i did not spell any words incorrectly as it would detract from this posts point. Oh and don’t take me quoting you personally but not taking a subject matter at hand seriously because of a spelling or gramatical error is silly.
You may not realise but to some of us English is a second or even a third language.
People HAVE attacked the content of his posts, and the only response the little (I’m quite positive ssn0 is a child) knucklehead has is something along the lines of, “Excuse me for blowing your mind,” or some ridiculous freshman year bullshit like that.
He is not a serious person. He has read too many Robert Anton Wilson books and not enough newspapers.
(“Wait, man: newspapers are PART OF THE CONSPIRACY! Does that destroy your plastic fantastic lifestyle, broseph?”)
As for the second or third language thing: this is an American website. Not just that, it is a website whose members have, without explicit agreement, decided that rules of grammar must be followed if one is to be listened to.
If you want to use idiot-speak like “dillusional,” then go to bodybuilding.com; they eat that shit up with a spoon.
This, however, is “Bodybuilding’s Think-Tank.” Thoughts require stringent coralling before they’re presentable to the outside world.
Or did I just blow your fucking mind?
Just when you started selling me on your point of view and opinion of what this site is, you went and screwed it up with that last line and totally confirmed what i was getting across in my post. I suppose some poeple need to convey ideas through 4 letter words.
You’re a funny creature. Full of himself with a superiority complex. You’re a legend in your own mind, lol! One of those guys that thinks himself an Alpha Male…But he’s not, just a representation of one. Almost there, but one step short of enlightement. [/quote]
OH NO! Did I desecrate your fragile widdle mind with my dirty, dirty words.
The fact that you blanch at “four letter words” shows me that you have absolutely no idea what enlightenment means.
Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck.
You misunderstood me. I didn’t say ‘deplete endocrine system’, or ‘metrosexualise boys’ or anything like that. Lifting weights to be strong/get pussy= good.
Bullshit war over land, oil and ideology=bad
Man, just because fuck et al are taboo due to norman suppression of anglo saxon words, doesn’t mean it’s big or clever that you attack the person when you can’t delegitimise the argument
[quote]dannyrat wrote:
Man, just because fuck et al are taboo due to norman suppression of anglo saxon words, doesn’t mean it’s big or clever that you attack the person when you can’t delegitimise the argument[/quote]
I picked out one part of your diatribe that was stupid.
No illusions of being clever here. Just calling stupidity where it is blatantly obvious.
I could honestly give a flying fuck about your “argument” - much less waste my day trying to “delegitimitise” it. you do a great job of that just by posting.
Point being - there will never be the "utopia’ you want. To think so is naivity in it’s most basic form.
You wouldn’t by chance own a pair of Birkenstocks(sp?) - would you?
I don’t know what birkenstocks are, so no i don’t own any. You CAN’T delegitimise my point, as it is legitimate. You, however, are illegitimate.
You’re right, we’ll probably never get utopia on this world, in this genration or others. But why stop trying? I can’t just know about this mideast situation and shrug and say ‘so?’
I agree totally with hoejer’s whole post. (Dutch? cool guy)
It’s a shame that the ones who wield political power are also the most eager to use military power to solve conflict