Actually variation 1 here is a much less time consuming way of showing the sweep. The 'Basic' Butterfly Guard Sweep - Grapplearts
I knew what sweeps you meant.
Here is the second one I tried to describe- I learned it when rigan machado came to one of their schools in NYC
and gave a weekend clinic
Here is another version also from machado- I had not seen this before , but that doesnt mean much.
the other one- I talked about- again I need to search up a vid- when they are sitting up-
you shoot your arm through their legs, scooping the far leg, under their knees
pulling their legs into that same arm and keep pulling their legs past-
and away from you, you need to push on their opposite leg with your other arm
pull their legs out and away from you, and pass. it happens pretty fast.
kmc
My family is visiting, so not much internet time is available. My brother’s going to move in with me next month until he finds a job. I asked him if that meant he’d start BJJ and he said maybe, maybe? Why wouldn’t he want to do the funnest sport ever? I think he’s going to find a local rugby team, ridiculousness.
Anyway, I took friday off. So, I haven’t been out in a while, and when I do go out it’s usually with a bunch of combat sport guys. Friday I went out with girls, I only knew one of them and the rest were her friends. To make a long story short, one of the girls ended up spending the night with a guy we met before everyone was drunk. Before we left her, I asked her if she had a condom. She looked at me like I had stomped on a baby bunny and said -I’m not going to sleep with him. Really? Do women go home with randoms and not have sex with them? Am I missing something? I thought that was the whole point. Was she just offended by my question?
Saturday was spent watching the competiton. It wasn’t very big, but the guys did really well and came home with quite a few medals.
Sunday is no-gi, and I couldn’t stay long. We did the vale tudo guard and sweep. I didn’t get a chance to ask about the butterfly guard!
Today I went the the gym with my brother. We did a semi version of workout A, but it was mostly dicking around. I am exhausted now though, so it must have been something.
[quote]kmcnyc wrote:
I knew what sweeps you meant.
Here is the second one I tried to describe- I learned it when rigan machado came to one of their schools in NYC
and gave a weekend clinic
Here is another version also from machado- I had not seen this before , but that doesnt mean much.
the other one- I talked about- again I need to search up a vid- when they are sitting up-
you shoot your arm through their legs, scooping the far leg, under their knees
pulling their legs into that same arm and keep pulling their legs past-
and away from you, you need to push on their opposite leg with your other arm
pull their legs out and away from you, and pass. it happens pretty fast.
kmc
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Thanks!
I’ve actually tried the one from the second video before, and when I drill it it’s great, but in rolling I never get it.
Are you talking about something along these lines for that last one? I haven’t seen this one before and it looks worth trying.
http://www.grappling-videos.net/techniques/passes/butterfly_guard_pass_01.html
Sure… its hard to do rolling too, but that comes with repetition.
here is one like the one I am describing its close enough…
Someone I rolled with once showed me, its pretty easy.
kmc
[quote]kmcnyc wrote:
Sure… its hard to do rolling too, but that comes with repetition.
here is one like the one I am describing its close enough…
Someone I rolled with once showed me, its pretty easy.
kmc[/quote]
That actually reminds me of a variation of the pass in which he grabs the ankle through the legs and keeps a hold of it to lock the guys hips down. There’s so much I’ve already forgotten!
Are you allowed to grip the belt in judo? Rolling the other day one of the guys took an over hook and grabed my belt behind me, how do you break grips on belts? or sometimes they’ll just grab my belt to hold my hip down while trying to open me, and I never know what to do.
You just opened a can of worms…
Yes you can grab the belt, but you have a time limit - when standing- usually 5 seconds.
grips are very important and complicated in Judo- and it has a bunch of different rules
most grips are legal- for a time limit and you have to have “intention” for use,
such as setting up a throw- sounds more complicated then it is.
you can grip a belt like this- but again you need to do something with it…
http://www.welcomematjudoclub.com/images/web_looping_belt_grip_30k5.jpg
there a few times when styles of grips are not acceptable-
pocket or cats paw grip and “pistol” gripping
pocket or cats paw looks like this- its really about the hem- or digging your fingers into the gi- making a pocket
http://pghjudoka.home.comcast.net/~pghjudoka/images/PocketGrip2.JPG
Pistol is also about the hem- getting fingers inside the hem usually frowned upon…to.
getting the hem between fingers and thumb - not always acceptable
grip breaking- attack attack attack
attack their grip early-
peel away with your hands, twist their hands off of you, or your gi
push with your palm- against their hand make it uncomfortable
you can use their gi too to pull their hand off of yours.
Neil Adams has a good judo grip book-
and although I like him personally he is a nice guy- his pimping of product, gets old,
Rhadi Ferguson and Jimmy Pedro have a grip fighting DVD
clip of some grip breaking not exactly what you wanted but its a start
Ok I hope this wasnt too confusing…
kmc
If you know the sweep is coming and you’re stuck, then start briding before you even land with the guy in mount.
Not doing that is biggest mistake.
White belts see everything as position. It’s transition. So if you’re caught, you know what’s next.
So once the guy has an underhook and you feel yourself moving, KEEP THE MOMENTUM, bridge/upa from mount before he has established mount, and end up in his guard (and you should be thinking of the PASS before he even has full guard).
If you watch the best guys, you rarely see one position to the next. It’s transitions. That’s why there is so much half guard. It’s not like, “Guard pass.” Then Mount. ETc. It’s, “He’s almost got this pass, so I’m going to stop him before he gets it all.”
Hi pch2, I read your log daily even though I dont have anything BJJ-y to say, I must say I like how detailed your descriptions are. Shows alot of dedication to your craft.
[quote]kmcnyc wrote:
You just opened a can of worms…
Yes you can grab the belt, but you have a time limit - when standing- usually 5 seconds.
grips are very important and complicated in Judo- and it has a bunch of different rules
most grips are legal- for a time limit and you have to have “intention” for use,
such as setting up a throw- sounds more complicated then it is.
you can grip a belt like this- but again you need to do something with it…
http://www.welcomematjudoclub.com/images/web_looping_belt_grip_30k5.jpg
there a few times when styles of grips are not acceptable-
pocket or cats paw grip and “pistol” gripping
pocket or cats paw looks like this- its really about the hem- or digging your fingers into the gi- making a pocket
http://pghjudoka.home.comcast.net/~pghjudoka/images/PocketGrip2.JPG
Pistol is also about the hem- getting fingers inside the hem usually frowned upon…to.
getting the hem between fingers and thumb - not always acceptable
grip breaking- attack attack attack
attack their grip early-
peel away with your hands, twist their hands off of you, or your gi
push with your palm- against their hand make it uncomfortable
you can use their gi too to pull their hand off of yours.
Neil Adams has a good judo grip book-
and although I like him personally he is a nice guy- his pimping of product, gets old,
Rhadi Ferguson and Jimmy Pedro have a grip fighting DVD
clip of some grip breaking not exactly what you wanted but its a start
Ok I hope this wasnt too confusing…
kmc
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Not too confusing, just a lot of information. I need to start playing with some of this stuff outside of class, sometimes I get to class thinking of what I want to try and then by the time drilling rolls around I’ve forgotten most of the move.
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
White belts see everything as position. It’s transition. So if you’re caught, you know what’s next. [/quote]
I’m slowly beginning to realize this. I’m getting to the point where I can tell what the other person is trying to do, and where it will put me. Figuring out how to stop what’s happening or what to do to change his plans is harder. I still have to think about it all and in my thinking time, they’ve lept ahead 20 steps. I can see it slowly coming together though, and when it does work, it’s fantastic.
[quote]skyel7 wrote:
Hi pch2, I read your log daily even though I dont have anything BJJ-y to say, I must say I like how detailed your descriptions are. Shows alot of dedication to your craft. [/quote]
Thanks! The detail helps me think about what’s going on, and makes me actuallly think about how training went.
[quote]pch2 wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
White belts see everything as position. It’s transition. So if you’re caught, you know what’s next.
I’m slowly beginning to realize this. I’m getting to the point where I can tell what the other person is trying to do, and where it will put me. Figuring out how to stop what’s happening or what to do to change his plans is harder. I still have to think about it all and in my thinking time, they’ve lept ahead 20 steps. I can see it slowly coming together though, and when it does work, it’s fantastic.
[/quote]
Claw is right, its also like
so what… they have me in butterfy and are about to sweep,
so what, or they are trying for xxxx so what.
its hard to go form thinking of each thing as a “move” or a technique
cause each step is taught and drilled one at a time.
and stringing it all together into it being something fluid
kmc
And once they have the grip, you can’t stop the move. You can REDIRECT it.
If a guy has double under hooks on you, you’re going flying. You can’t stop the flight.
But you CAN pull guard quickly.
You don’t want to give up position. But if they get position, you CANNOT fight it. The whole basis of jiu jitus is once someone has leverage, you’re done.
All you can do is redirect.
That has to begin before you go flying.
On an unrelated note, how is the boy doing? Is he still sick?
F-A-B-U-L-O-U-S
I’m digging on you.
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
And once they have the grip, you can’t stop the move. You can REDIRECT it.
If a guy has double under hooks on you, you’re going flying. You can’t stop the flight.
But you CAN pull guard quickly.
You don’t want to give up position. But if they get position, you CANNOT fight it. The whole basis of jiu jitus is once someone has leverage, you’re done.
All you can do is redirect.
That has to begin before you go flying.
[/quote]
I brought up all of these issues I’ve been having with coach last night, and he said basically the same things you guys are saying. Stop seeing things as postions. This actually directed class last night.
Last night’s (thursday) class was about basic principles. We learned escapes from side control, but then he went into a little discussion about how you should never acutally be in complete side control. You should always keep in a little ball, protect your face, and other little details. Then we played a little game where the guy stood next to you and you prevented him from gettting chest to chest. I went with the purple belts, because I had cooties. It was actually a really helpful learning experience.
Then we played king of the hill (the guy on top trys to pass, the guy on bottom trys to sweep/submit, whoever wins stays in). My cooties were still present; I went with coach and he let me pass, then the purple belts let me pass. It felt hollow, so then I told one of the guys he was next. We were in some sort of weird half guard position, and he flared my leg to an odd angle and it hurt like a motherfucker. So, today my knee is not happy with me.
Wends was workout B, but I went with my brother, and it was a mess. I was in a really bad mood, and I know it was mostly hormones, but that knowledge didn’t really help. He kept being himself, and I kept wanting to smash heads in with a dumbell. We didn’t superset, and who knows how long the rests were.
Workout B
Deadlifts 115 3x10
DB Rows 25 3x10
DB Lunges 20 3x10
DB Overhead Press 15 3x10
DB External Rotation 5 2x12
Prone Scaptions 5 2x12
Then I went to class. He didn’t want to come, and I didn’t want to spend any more time with him, so it worked out.
We did self defense against bear hugs. If your arms are traped you create space, go to t postion then hip toss. If your arms aren’t trapped you can smash thier face up and out of the way to break the grip, or come down and kind of squeeze their arms to make them let go. It sounds weird, but it worked. With the squeezed arm one we did a throw, but I wasn’t really feeling it. He kept warning us that if we did it wrong we’d fuck up our knees and my partner was more in the mood to just hug than to actually do anything. So, I drilled the ones I liked and we dicked around for the other ones.
I then played around with opening gaurds. Not really a move, but more about sensing when I should move based on how they are playing. Just being aware of when they are almost open, if they’re low around my hips, or high around my rib cage. It sounds stupid, and looked stupid, but it helped.
[quote]tootles27 wrote:
On an unrelated note, how is the boy doing? Is he still sick?[/quote]
The boy sucks. He’s not sick anymore, but he still has to watch for his spleen exploding, and may still be contagious. I still like him, but we just don’t work well together, I have no idea what’s going on. I kinda want him to just go away, but don’t.
[quote]Comrade wrote:
F-A-B-U-L-O-U-S
I’m digging on you. [/quote]
Why?