I don’t care if you are or are not dissapointed, I am. Guy has a bright future and had a good chance to place at the next olympics. To me, that’s petty cool, an American who medals at the olympics in weightlifting. If it doesn’t bother you I’d say you don’t care that much about your country or the sport. [/quote]
American getting a medal at the Olympics? First, it is highly unlikely that the US will have ANY men’s slots at the 2012 Olympics. If we did get one slot it would go to Farris or Vaughn based on the formula. I can’t see any situation where Mendes would lift in London. As well, I know there were talks of his potentially lifting for Brazil but Reis is lifting for Brazil and put up bigger numbers than Pat did at the recent Pan Ams and Worlds.
Let’s put it this way. At the end of 2010, everyone thought he had a pretty good chance to make it to London and do well. Since then, it’s been a letdown.
[quote]NewWorldMan wrote:
First, it is highly unlikely that the US will have ANY men’s slots at the 2012 Olympics.
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I think I tried to explain this in the worlds thread, but it actually is pretty likely they’ll get that one slot. The American men only need to place top 7 as a team at next years Pan Ams to earn that one slot, and since Cuba and Colombia have already qualified slots through the world championships their teams won’t be included in the ranking. The American men (and Canadian as well, I’m hoping) should be able to pull that off.
[quote]NewWorldMan wrote:
If we did get one slot it would go to Farris or Vaughn based on the formula. I can’t see any situation where Mendes would lift in London.[/quote]
If Mendes can get his shit together in the next 6 months I could almost see USAW choosing him over Farris or Vaughn. Almost. Also, which formula are you referring to? Sinclair? World ranking? Percentage of the world standard? Do you know which of these USAW is planning to use to determine which athletes it will choose to send to London? (honest question, pretty sure Canada uses the percent of the world standard)
Pat would have to get up to around a 400ish total though for that to be a real discussion. And then you have the fact that Farris and Vaughn have more international experience and would be less likely to shit the bed maybe (speaking of which, anybody consider the fact that maybe Pat competing overseas for the first time fucked him up a little?). I dunno, it’s all speculation at this point anyways.
[quote]TheJonty wrote:
Also, which formula are you referring to? Sinclair? World ranking? Percentage of the world standard? Do you know which of these USAW is planning to use to determine which athletes it will choose to send to London? (honest question, pretty sure Canada uses the percent of the world standard)
Pat would have to get up to around a 400ish total though for that to be a real discussion. And then you have the fact that Farris and Vaughn have more international experience and would be less likely to shit the bed maybe (speaking of which, anybody consider the fact that maybe Pat competing overseas for the first time fucked him up a little?). I dunno, it’s all speculation at this point anyways.[/quote]
Don’t quote me but I believe it’s highest % of recent world totals. Currently Farris is closer to the 85 total then Vaughn is to the 77s so he WOULD get the nod. The US qualifiers are the same weekend as the Arnold. There are threads discussing the qualifying procedure for the US men on ‘go heavy’ site and of course there is some convoluted write up on the USAW web site.
[quote]TheJonty wrote:
Also, which formula are you referring to? Sinclair? World ranking? Percentage of the world standard? Do you know which of these USAW is planning to use to determine which athletes it will choose to send to London? (honest question, pretty sure Canada uses the percent of the world standard)
Pat would have to get up to around a 400ish total though for that to be a real discussion. And then you have the fact that Farris and Vaughn have more international experience and would be less likely to shit the bed maybe (speaking of which, anybody consider the fact that maybe Pat competing overseas for the first time fucked him up a little?). I dunno, it’s all speculation at this point anyways.[/quote]
Don’t quote me but I believe it’s highest % of recent world totals. Currently Farris is closer to the 85 total then Vaughn is to the 77s so he WOULD get the nod. The US qualifiers are the same weekend as the Arnold. There are threads discussing the qualifying procedure for the US men on ‘go heavy’ site and of course there is some convoluted write up on the USAW web site.
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The fact that the 77 is within 6-15kg of the top 3 lifters of the 85 makes the 77 a BEASTY class!
[quote]Monopoly19 wrote:
I thought it would be interesting to note that he just competed again at the world championships in Paris.
He snatched 187kg. While this is still a MONSTER number for whatever reason he cannot transfer his training lifts to the platform…[/quote]
For whatever reason? its not that hard to decipher.[/quote]
Well I think it’s pretty obvious but I’m not here to accuse anyone. I don’t really care if he is using, it’s just dissapointing. [/quote]
Im not dissapointed, I don’t expect any less to be honest. [/quote]
I don’t care if you are or are not dissapointed, I am. Guy has a bright future and had a good chance to place at the next olympics. To me, that’s petty cool, an American who medals at the olympics in weightlifting. If it doesn’t bother you I’d say you don’t care that much about your country or the sport. [/quote]
I do care about my country (not from the USA btw), and i love the sport but its not like Pat is the only one using so it’d be a little unfair for me to condemn him when theres many others using.
I like what he says about all his friends going to school not because they want to, but because it’s simply what’s expected of them generally. Regardless of any criticism and bitching about this that or the other, for Pat to drop everything and dedicate himself 100% is something VERY rare in the jaded, lazy youth of today of Western society.
[quote]yarni wrote:
I like what he says about all his friends going to school not because they want to, but because it’s simply what’s expected of them generally. Regardless of any criticism and bitching about this that or the other, for Pat to drop everything and dedicate himself 100% is something VERY rare in the jaded, lazy youth of today of Western society.[/quote]
Yeah, I also like the part where he says ‘‘I believe I can do whatever I want to’’ without getting all huffy about it. Just shows how deep that mindset has sunk in.
I was gonna post this in the powerlifting forum to watch all the drama about his opinion of equipped lifts, BUUUUUUUUUUUT I decided against it.
[quote]tork94 wrote:
it is pretty amazing stuff regardless, but the way he RIPS the bar from the floor makes me feel like hes getting at least 5-10 kgs more due to the straps.
its like those stories of Botev clean and jerking 270 at 110 in training, but then never even coming close to that in any competition, even at 120 body-weight.
I’m starting to get the mindset that what ever someone lifts in training doesn’t mean jack shit, and although im sure Pat doesn’t care what I think, I just cant take him seriously until he does 90+% of his youtube videos in an actual tested competition.[/quote]
I kept pointing that out on their channel on youtube and they banned me from puttin in more comments…I think its fair critique.
