If you step forward that much in competition does it count?
[quote]Cprimero wrote:
If you step forward that much in competition does it count?[/quote]
So long as he doesn’t step off the competition platform and returns the barbell to within the bounds of the competition platform, then yes, it will count. Just eyeballing the video again, I think he would’ve had enough room on a standard competition platform, but it would be close.
It should be pointed out that he is 20 years old. This means a lot for why he has not competed much up to this point. Many lifters are sheltered until they get into their 20’s. Rather than peak for a meet their coaches are more interested in fully developing them without injury fear or meets to disrupt their overall training cycle. Not every coach does this, but it is certainly not unheard of. The only issue is he is not being kept completely under wraps as he would be in Russia, China or one of the Baltic States.
And is it just me or do people put too much emphasis on what is done in meets versus the gym? I’ve got news for you, an 800lb. back squat done in a gym impresses me a hell of a lot more than a 650 done in competition.
Yes numbers are lower in a meet generally for fatigue reasons, schedules, stress, whatever. But it doesn’t mean that what is being done is still not better than what anyone else is doing in the gym. Let’s go straight apples to apples, can anyone in the US do what he is doing now in the gym under the most ideal circumstances imaginable? No they can’t. That is a big freaking deal.
Also remember he is probably more beat up and taxed from his other training than virtually any other lifter in this country. The kid pretty much never takes a day off. His “off” day consists of “only” one workout with heavy back squats included. So it isn’t like he is tapering for his youtube video shoots or anything.
Yes it would be good to see him compete, but seeing as a heavy weight doesn’t really mature until late 20’s what is the rush? Clearly what he is doing is working for him.
EDIT: I suppose he was tapering in some degree for the snatch video due to the upcoming competition, but the rest of his videos seem like part of a standard training period.
[quote]kilpaba wrote:
And is it just me or do people put too much emphasis on what is done in meets versus the gym? I’ve got news for you, an 800lb. back squat done in a gym impresses me a hell of a lot more than a 650 done in competition.
Yes numbers are lower in a meet generally for fatigue reasons, schedules, stress, whatever. But it doesn’t mean that what is being done is still not better than what anyone else is doing in the gym. Let’s go straight apples to apples, can anyone in the US do what he is doing now in the gym under the most ideal circumstances imaginable? No they can’t. That is a big freaking deal.
Also remember he is probably more beat up and taxed from his other training than virtually any other lifter in this country. The kid pretty much never takes a day off. His “off” day consists of “only” one workout with heavy back squats included. So it isn’t like he is tapering for his youtube video shoots or anything.
Yes it would be good to see him compete, but seeing as a heavy weight doesn’t really mature until late 20’s what is the rush? Clearly what he is doing is working for him.[/quote]
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[quote]Neospartan wrote:
[quote]kilpaba wrote:
And is it just me or do people put too much emphasis on what is done in meets versus the gym? I’ve got news for you, an 800lb. back squat done in a gym impresses me a hell of a lot more than a 650 done in competition.
Yes numbers are lower in a meet generally for fatigue reasons, schedules, stress, whatever. But it doesn’t mean that what is being done is still not better than what anyone else is doing in the gym. Let’s go straight apples to apples, can anyone in the US do what he is doing now in the gym under the most ideal circumstances imaginable? No they can’t. That is a big freaking deal.
Also remember he is probably more beat up and taxed from his other training than virtually any other lifter in this country. The kid pretty much never takes a day off. His “off” day consists of “only” one workout with heavy back squats included. So it isn’t like he is tapering for his youtube video shoots or anything.
Yes it would be good to see him compete, but seeing as a heavy weight doesn’t really mature until late 20’s what is the rush? Clearly what he is doing is working for him.[/quote]
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Nice to read some god damn COMMON SENSE. I despair at the jadedness of some of the stuff I have read in this thread.
An 800 pound squat is that exactly: an ENORMOUS feat of strength. It’s sad that some people have struggled appreciate that, and contributed by finding reasons to critisise the lifter and his trainer, claiming that he’s out of line calling it an ‘unofficial record’. I mean seriously who gives a fuck what they, they can say whatever they want, the squat (for example) SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. It say ‘raaaagggghhhhhhhh!!!’
even if heavies don’t peak till later in their 20s anyone that claims(all they are, are claims even if they were done on video) to lift 200+ in both sn and cj can make waves in any competition, if he doesn’t step up and lift for either country soon then i don’t see how anyone could continue to believe his youtube hits
I don’t think anyone is denying the amazing progress and achievements Pat has made in the last couple of years. However when it comes down to it this is a competition sport, while I am in awe of Pat’s lifts, I would be more impressed if he went to a comp and hit 10kg less than his gym lifts.
And my definition of an unofficial record is a record that would pass at a competition, but just wasn’t done at a competition. I will give Pat the benefit of the doubt and say his snatch would have stayed on the platform (if he had rolled the bar back a bit at the start) but it was done with straps.
As I said above, he has to do a competition soon for him to have a chance of qualifying for the olympics and I’m sure Broz has it all planned out for him to do so so it won’t be long now!
Funniest thing I have read was when his coach said that the reason behind his straps is that it’s hard to grip 200 kg without them. I mean, isn’t that the freaking point?! 200 kg snatch means something because it’s hard! Sorry, but that just shows a lack of attitude. Major lack of attitude.
yup, the strongest (at ANY age) american weightlifter has a lack of attitude for wearing straps on the heaviest american snatch…imagine how good he’d be if he had a good attitude! (parden the sarcasm, but come on)
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Whatever. You didn’t disprove me with that sarcasm. I’m glad that Broz and Mendes are only fooling themselves, not me. If you can’t enjoy a challenge, but you have to use a forbidden external aid to achieve something by making that challenge easier and thus beating the purpose…that is the definition of loser attitude.
[quote]Wrah wrote:
Funniest thing I have read was when his coach said that the reason behind his straps is that it’s hard to grip 200 kg without them. I mean, isn’t that the freaking point?! 200 kg snatch means something because it’s hard! Sorry, but that just shows a lack of attitude. Major lack of attitude.[/quote]
Where did he say that? I find that hard to believe and given the amount of volume he does, it makes sense he does his lifts with straps.
[quote]dfreezy wrote:
[quote]Wrah wrote:
Funniest thing I have read was when his coach said that the reason behind his straps is that it’s hard to grip 200 kg without them. I mean, isn’t that the freaking point?! 200 kg snatch means something because it’s hard! Sorry, but that just shows a lack of attitude. Major lack of attitude.[/quote]
Where did he say that? I find that hard to believe and given the amount of volume he does, it makes sense he does his lifts with straps.[/quote]
I wouldn’t disagree with him training in straps, I understand that his hands would get torn to pieces with the amount of volume and weights he lifts. But I don’t think you can call something an unofficial record if it wouldn’t pass in a competition.
I like everyone else here is very impressed with Pat’s lifts and slightly dissappointed not to see them in competition yet, however there is something that no one has brought up yet that I think is very relevant. Consider the scope of WINNING international competitions and not just competing in them for the sake of competition. I dunno if he’s geared or not and really don’t care but if he is wouldn’t it make sense to get him to a level where he’s competitive for world records and what not (assuming that’s what he’s capable of)before you drop him in to drug testing? Again I honestly don’t care if he’s geared or not simply because I’m not sure that the rest of the world isn’t using gear leading up to the international testing and there’s no way to tell. I certainly do hope he competes at some point and regardless of what country he competes for I’m sure we’ll all recognize that his success is due to training in America and not Brazil. This dual citizenship nonsense happens in almost every olympic sport there was one case where twins competed for 2 different countries this is more of a fault of the Olympic commitee and the system than of Mendez
I’m sure you have a full grasp of the situation by a distinct impression from some stuff on an internet forum about a guy.
Forget it.
How did I imply that I had a full grasp of the situation? I’m only implying that there may be more strategic reasons for why he’s not competing.
[quote]rell816 wrote:
How did I imply that I had a full grasp of the situation? I’m only implying that there may be more strategic reasons for why he’s not competing. [/quote]
He responded to my post which I deleted.
It has been said already, but I really think folks are reading too much into the “unofficial” record tagline. Broz was probably just incredibly amped that his athlete did something no other American has every done in any setting. Hard to believe he got excited about one of his students accomplishing something no American has ever done before in or out of competition, what with the use the use of straps and all, but some people are just emotional guys you know.
Every serious competitive weightlifter I have ever seen trains the snatch with straps, period. Please also bear in mind he was training for a meet, he was not trying to hit a competition replica lift at that moment in time.
Just give the kid a break, he will compete when he is ready. Again, every other country in the world does this, their athletes just aren’t as high profile as Mendez is before they compete.