Lol, your ipad while undoubtebly doing cardio typing skills suck today Ryan.
What happened to the sit in Ryan?
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
What happened to the sit in Ryan?[/quote]
I failed. Going back to it though. It’s gotten to the point I can’t take going in circles. It’s making me dizzy
Leave my cardio habits out of this 
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Fact naturals can only synthesis so much muscle in a time period
Fact only so many calories are needed for this
Fact eating more adds only bF that will need to be lost unless BF is of no concern
Anything others want to add to this list?[/quote]
this. naturals cannot force feed muscle growth, regardless of what X says. If X truly believes he is more muscular than top natty pros than let him live in his dream world.[/quote]
WTF is this? Where did I write that I was “more muscular than top natty pros”? Please show me this quote.
I don’t care who you want to throw up with the name dropping just so you can continue whatever smear campaign you are on.
As far as “force feeding growth”, do you mean to tell me that taking advantage of specific times in the life of someone where their hormones and recovery are at optimal levels (including joint integrity which can mean more weight lifted especially if leverage is taken advantage of) you will NOT gain more muscle than someone who thinks like what you wrote?
This and only this is why my education is ever discussed. You aren’t discussing biology with a college student.
You just might learn something if you shut the fuck up long enough.[/quote]
umm you disregarded them because they where not carrying as much weight as you. “there all under 180lbs” is what you actually posted. you would be so surprised at what your actual contest weight would be, stu competes in the 170’s and he is undoubtedly more muscular than you.
yes i do agree with everything you said above, what i dont agree is the fact that people think they need to get fat in order for there hormones and recovery to be at optimal levels.
maybe you would lean something from actual bodybuilders, if you dropped the ego and shut the fuck up long enough…
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]Mtag666 wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]Mtag666 wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
I know I basically just asked the same question twice to MassiveGuns and BlueCollarTr8n, but I’m also interested in your opinion too.
What kind of a modern “bulking diet” would you advocate in order to optimize muscle gains and take advantage of hormonal fluctuations, insulin response, etc.?
I’m assuming that your additional training in biology and the human body has given you some insight into how to optimize those processes, so I’m interested in how you would approach it.[/quote]
Ideal situation:
New trainer under the age of 25 with above average genetics who does no gain fat easily. For someone like that with a goal of being really big, those insulin responses to food intake will aid more muscle growth. It is only recently that many people seem to act as if insulin spikes should be avoided. They should if you are trying to lose body fat and retain muscle. That is not ideal for gaining the most muscle possible.
You may want to start another thread. I have a feeling this one will be screwed by the same nonsense that has been happening.[/quote]
Good call.[/quote]
Well, I tried creating a new thread but it seems to be in limbo somewhere. If that thread ever gets created, I’ll copy things over.
Unfortunately I don’t represent the ideal situation there with the “under 25 and above average genetics”.
What sort of dietary approach would you suggest for someone who has the genetics of a distance runner and an appetite that self-regulates to 135lbs @ 5’10?[/quote]
It sounds like you are one of those people that will have a hard time putting on weight. Do you find that you can eat whatever you want and you can still see your abs? If you are one of those people, how you should start depends on your lifting experience. If you are a total noob, just make sure you have protein covered for you weight, and eat a little bit more than your current intake, say an extra 300cal. Once you have a solid foundation in Squats, Deads, Military press, Bench, Dips and rows (as in your technique is solid) then its time to push it.
You need to buy a body fat monitor, Train your ass off, and just keep bumping calories till the scale starts to move. If its all fat, back off calories and up the training. Once you know wha your gaining level is, then you have something to work with. I have a feeling you will find the number you need to gain is going to be more than you are used to eating.
Dairy IMO is best for peri-post workout. Yoghurt is actually a great one, just add 500g low fat natural yoghurt to your post workout shake and drink it up. That will spike insulin to a massive exent.
The best foods to maintain glycogen are healthy carb sources. Oats IMO are the best. For some reason oats don’t seem to bloat you or make you gain as much fat. And I am personally of the opinion that you should have a high to moderate carb meal at night, it helps you sleep and night time is when the protein switches kick into overdrive, you don’t want to be dehydrated or carb depleted at that time, and you want insulin shuttling nutrients to the cells that need them.[/quote]
I actually lol’d IRL at the broscience in this post. Holy shit. ahhaha
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Ok then. Please articulate what you think is “bro-science” and we’ll see if what you say holds any water.
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Everything about dairy
your thoughts nutrient timing mattering
oats not making you gain as much fat as other carbs (I could eat poptarts and ice cream and so long as macros are the same it wouldn’t have any effect on body comp)
please define what “protein kicking into overdrive” at night even means
Also you don’t carb deplete/lose muscle glycogen if you don’t have carbs for a few hours. [/quote]
If you compare the glycemic index of dairy, with its insulin index, you will find that it is indeed insulinogenic. Its insulin index is double its glycemic index and is, I think, the only food where the difference is that high. There is a shitload of information out there on this.
You can argue with me about nutrient timing till we are both blue in the face, but many people sleep better after carbs. Carbs raise feel good neurotransmitter levels which is why people sleep better.
For reference: High-glycemic-index carbohydrate meals shorten sleep onset - PubMed
My thoughts on oats are my personal opinion. But as a disclaimer, if you think that the food you eat consists soley of the macros and nothing else biologically active, then you are sorely mistaken.
The reason you sleep at night is because your body has evolved to protect the sensitive mechanism of DNA replication from UV light, hence the vast majority of cell differentiation and protein synthesis occur at night. Bro.
If you train at night then you may well be carb depleted before you go to bed. I did not state what you wrote anywhere, but I can see how you could that read into what I wrote.[/quote]
I agree about the carbs can help some people sleep thing. I appreciate the non confrontational, intelligent response. You don’t see that around here much lately
[quote]steven alex wrote:
What kind of training do Sumo wrestlers do regards promoting muscle mass? I dont think they lift weights do they? Just pushing against each other I would imagine. Does this mean that extremely obese people like the kind you see on American tv shows who can barely stand or get out of bed have by dint of eating so much carry more muscle than BBs? [/quote]
Pushing people weighing in excess of 400 lbs all day long definitely creates muscle. Why wouldn’t it?
Obese people on tv CAN’T/DON’T move… you said it yourself… Why would someone who can’t move have more muscle than a bodybuilder? No one even thought about saying this. Your post was honestly pointless and you are clearly just trying to start/continue an argument.
[quote]Highjumper wrote:
[quote]steven alex wrote:
What kind of training do Sumo wrestlers do regards promoting muscle mass? I dont think they lift weights do they? Just pushing against each other I would imagine. Does this mean that extremely obese people like the kind you see on American tv shows who can barely stand or get out of bed have by dint of eating so much carry more muscle than BBs? [/quote]
Pushing people weighing in excess of 400 lbs all day long definitely creates muscle. Why wouldn’t it?
Obese people on tv CAN’T/DON’T move… you said it yourself… Why would someone who can’t move have more muscle than a bodybuilder? No one even thought about saying this. Your post was honestly pointless and you are clearly just trying to start/continue an argument. [/quote]
Nope I think you were/are
BTW highjumper been meaning to ask for a while now but who is that in your avi?
[quote]steven alex wrote:
BTW highjumper been meaning to ask for a while now but who is that in your avi?[/quote]
Gina Carano
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
umm you disregarded them because they where not carrying as much weight as you. “there all under 180lbs” is what you actually posted. you would be so surprised at what your actual contest weight would be, stu competes in the 170’s and he is undoubtedly more muscular than you. [/quote]
? Stu carries less lean body mass than I do. I am not sure what you mean by “more muscular”. He is also shorter than me. Why are you stuck on comparing two different people of different body types just so you can say “prof x said he was bigger than blah blah blah”.
How old are you, kid…seriously?
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yes i do agree with everything you said above, what i dont agree is the fact that people think they need to get fat in order for there hormones and recovery to be at optimal levels. [/quote]
It’s a good thing I didn’t write that, isn’t it?
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maybe you would lean something from actual bodybuilders, if you dropped the ego and shut the fuck up long enough… [/quote]
What is with this attitude? You seem mad that there are professionals here who have very in depth takes on aspects of what we do from their education or personal experience even if they never competed.
No one…and I mean NO ONE is denying what other people have accomplished…but allowing zero discussion simply because YOU alone put some people on pedestals and mock others…is about as childish as you can get.
Please stop.
Obviously you don’t know you carry more lean body mass than Stu because “there hasn’t been an autopsy.”
[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
Obviously you don’t know you carry more lean body mass than Stu because “there hasn’t been an autopsy.”[/quote]
Back looking thickkkkkkk
[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
Obviously you don’t know you carry more lean body mass than Stu because “there hasn’t been an autopsy.”[/quote]
It is a good thing that body fat tests give us an idea so yes, I can say that from what we now know in science and all tools available, what I wrote still stands.
[quote]steven alex wrote:
[quote]Highjumper wrote:
[quote]steven alex wrote:
What kind of training do Sumo wrestlers do regards promoting muscle mass? I dont think they lift weights do they? Just pushing against each other I would imagine. Does this mean that extremely obese people like the kind you see on American tv shows who can barely stand or get out of bed have by dint of eating so much carry more muscle than BBs? [/quote]
Pushing people weighing in excess of 400 lbs all day long definitely creates muscle. Why wouldn’t it?
Obese people on tv CAN’T/DON’T move… you said it yourself… Why would someone who can’t move have more muscle than a bodybuilder? No one even thought about saying this. Your post was honestly pointless and you are clearly just trying to start/continue an argument. [/quote]
Nope I think you were/are[/quote]
Dumb
[quote]steven alex wrote:
BTW highjumper been meaning to ask for a while now but who is that in your avi?[/quote]
But ya it’s Gina Carano haha
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
umm you disregarded them because they where not carrying as much weight as you. “there all under 180lbs” is what you actually posted. you would be so surprised at what your actual contest weight would be, stu competes in the 170’s and he is undoubtedly more muscular than you. [/quote]
? Stu carries less lean body mass than I do. I am not sure what you mean by “more muscular”. He is also shorter than me. Why are you stuck on comparing two different people of different body types just so you can say “prof x said he was bigger than blah blah blah”.
How old are you, kid…seriously?
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yes i do agree with everything you said above, what i dont agree is the fact that people think they need to get fat in order for there hormones and recovery to be at optimal levels. [/quote]
It’s a good thing I didn’t write that, isn’t it?
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maybe you would lean something from actual bodybuilders, if you dropped the ego and shut the fuck up long enough… [/quote]
What is with this attitude? You seem mad that there are professionals here who have very in depth takes on aspects of what we do from their education or personal experience even if they never competed.
No one…and I mean NO ONE is denying what other people have accomplished…but allowing zero discussion simply because YOU alone put some people on pedestals and mock others…is about as childish as you can get.
Please stop.[/quote]
haha you insult me, then i repsond with the exact same statement and you complain…
im not. you blatantly discredited them because they where all under 180lb in contest condition, regardless of bodytype.
wait mad at professionals, which professionals? i certainly hope you don’t mean yourself, because i wouldn’t call you in anyway a professional in the sense of bodybuilding.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I don’t think anyone but some of you care that much about who is natural and who isn’t.[/quote]
And what’s wrong with caring about this?
[quote]willden wrote:
So many butthurt fat people on here. Honestly if you can bench 400lbs and squat 500lbs you can lose some weight, its not that hard. Spend 3 months cutting and stop being a fatass- be done with it. Its so much easier to lose a lb of fat than gain a lb of muscle anyway after you’ve been training for a while and makes a bigger difference in how you look.
Been there, was 20lbs overweight and people thought I was getting a lot stronger. Looked like shirt with my shirt off though. Don’t be a marzouk.[/quote]
Its really more butthurt fat guys vs butthurt skinny guys each of them yelling at the other about how wrong their own personal goals are in some weird ass search for external validation.
^ Best post
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
maybe you would lean something[/quote]
^ funny typo 