Part 2: What Naturals are Truly Capable Of

Training
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[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Fact naturals can only synthesis so much muscle in a time period
Fact only so many calories are needed for this
Fact eating more adds only bF that will need to be lost unless BF is of no concern

Anything others want to add to this list?[/quote]

Add to it?

Statement: Fact naturals can only synthesis so much muscle in a time period

Truth: All humans have variable rates at which they synthesize muscle and this is an adaptive ability as well. Increased training can increase protein anabolism…meaning synthesis of muscle tissue is not static but changes in rate due to many variables…like age, stress, overall conditioning, sleep, etc…

Statement:Fact only so many calories are needed for this

Truth: The amount of calories needed for this changes as the needs of the body change. It can not be predicted but you can try to feed it when it is most ready to grow.

Statement: Fact eating more adds only bF that will need to be lost unless BF is of no concern

Truth: Combined with intense training, adding muscular body weight even if fat is added could contribute to increased leverage which could increase the weight used for exercises…which alone could lead to more muscle growth. Joint lubrication and stability is also a factor as many notice a decrease in joint integrity with extremely lean body comps.

Hormonal fluctuations associated with age may also allow more muscle to be built from more intake. This is why it is often discussed that even obese people do NOT just gain body fat…they gain fat and muscle tissue…even if that muscle gain is minimal…it comes without training.[/quote]

Plz note I did not finite numbers there just because of this so…not sure what your argument is[/quote]

You did not “finite” numbers?

What are you talking about?

Are you the guy claiming to be in med school?

WTF?[/quote]

Please explain what you don’t understand [/quote]

Dude, your sentence isn’t even correct grammar so I don’t even know what you were trying to say.

None of what you write before was correct. I just showed you that. If you disagree, please disagree point by point.

It seems that once someone challenges you, you tend to give up.[/quote]

Sorry for my iPad skills but I thought your dentist amazing trained super duper reading comprehension would take care of that

You should I was wrong how? I posted no finite numbers so again you are actually supporting my argument.
[/quote]

You don’t actually have an argument! You have a meaningless statement followed by two assumptions with no evidence to back them up. You’ll make a great doctor with that kind of attitude. You don’t even realise you don’t need finite numbers, just a frame of reference.

If you think that protein synthesis occurs at the same rate all the time, you better go read up those textbooks again.

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[quote]Mtag666 wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:
I know I basically just asked the same question twice to MassiveGuns and BlueCollarTr8n, but I’m also interested in your opinion too.

What kind of a modern “bulking diet” would you advocate in order to optimize muscle gains and take advantage of hormonal fluctuations, insulin response, etc.?

I’m assuming that your additional training in biology and the human body has given you some insight into how to optimize those processes, so I’m interested in how you would approach it.[/quote]

Ideal situation:

New trainer under the age of 25 with above average genetics who does no gain fat easily. For someone like that with a goal of being really big, those insulin responses to food intake will aid more muscle growth. It is only recently that many people seem to act as if insulin spikes should be avoided. They should if you are trying to lose body fat and retain muscle. That is not ideal for gaining the most muscle possible.

You may want to start another thread. I have a feeling this one will be screwed by the same nonsense that has been happening.[/quote]

Good call.[/quote]

Well, I tried creating a new thread but it seems to be in limbo somewhere. If that thread ever gets created, I’ll copy things over.

Unfortunately I don’t represent the ideal situation there with the “under 25 and above average genetics”.

What sort of dietary approach would you suggest for someone who has the genetics of a distance runner and an appetite that self-regulates to 135lbs @ 5’10?[/quote]

It sounds like you are one of those people that will have a hard time putting on weight. Do you find that you can eat whatever you want and you can still see your abs? If you are one of those people, how you should start depends on your lifting experience. If you are a total noob, just make sure you have protein covered for you weight, and eat a little bit more than your current intake, say an extra 300cal. Once you have a solid foundation in Squats, Deads, Military press, Bench, Dips and rows (as in your technique is solid) then its time to push it.

You need to buy a body fat monitor, Train your ass off, and just keep bumping calories till the scale starts to move. If its all fat, back off calories and up the training. Once you know wha your gaining level is, then you have something to work with. I have a feeling you will find the number you need to gain is going to be more than you are used to eating.

Dairy IMO is best for peri-post workout. Yoghurt is actually a great one, just add 500g low fat natural yoghurt to your post workout shake and drink it up. That will spike insulin to a massive exent.

The best foods to maintain glycogen are healthy carb sources. Oats IMO are the best. For some reason oats don’t seem to bloat you or make you gain as much fat. And I am personally of the opinion that you should have a high to moderate carb meal at night, it helps you sleep and night time is when the protein switches kick into overdrive, you don’t want to be dehydrated or carb depleted at that time, and you want insulin shuttling nutrients to the cells that need them.[/quote]

I actually lol’d IRL at the broscience in this post. Holy shit. ahhaha

[/quote]

Ok then. Please articulate what you think is “bro-science” and we’ll see if what you say holds any water.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

Actually, you can’t do more than a lunge. There’s video proof of that. “You suck” and “you’re not that bright”, huh? You ol’ honeydripper you. You’re an out of shape, delusional, middle aged man who’s spent over a decade yelling at people on an internet forum. That’s so comically sad I’d actually feel bad for you if you weren’t such a world class douche. Good luck with the bulk.
[/quote]

If you really knew me, you would be pissed off. You are just a casual hater. I am not in my 40’s so LOL at “middle aged”. Also at “out of shape”…because I have damn sure heard the exact opposite lately from most people.

Like I said, flash, I have helped more people today than you have all week…and that is jus at work. Don’t feel sorry for me…my life is just hitting its stride…[/quote]

Whatever you gotta tell yourself to get through the day big fella. What baffles me is, if everything is so great, why are you so damn defensive…?

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[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]Mtag666 wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:
I know I basically just asked the same question twice to MassiveGuns and BlueCollarTr8n, but I’m also interested in your opinion too.

What kind of a modern “bulking diet” would you advocate in order to optimize muscle gains and take advantage of hormonal fluctuations, insulin response, etc.?

I’m assuming that your additional training in biology and the human body has given you some insight into how to optimize those processes, so I’m interested in how you would approach it.[/quote]

Ideal situation:

New trainer under the age of 25 with above average genetics who does no gain fat easily. For someone like that with a goal of being really big, those insulin responses to food intake will aid more muscle growth. It is only recently that many people seem to act as if insulin spikes should be avoided. They should if you are trying to lose body fat and retain muscle. That is not ideal for gaining the most muscle possible.

You may want to start another thread. I have a feeling this one will be screwed by the same nonsense that has been happening.[/quote]

Good call.[/quote]

Well, I tried creating a new thread but it seems to be in limbo somewhere. If that thread ever gets created, I’ll copy things over.

Unfortunately I don’t represent the ideal situation there with the “under 25 and above average genetics”.

What sort of dietary approach would you suggest for someone who has the genetics of a distance runner and an appetite that self-regulates to 135lbs @ 5’10?[/quote]

It sounds like you are one of those people that will have a hard time putting on weight. Do you find that you can eat whatever you want and you can still see your abs? If you are one of those people, how you should start depends on your lifting experience. If you are a total noob, just make sure you have protein covered for you weight, and eat a little bit more than your current intake, say an extra 300cal. Once you have a solid foundation in Squats, Deads, Military press, Bench, Dips and rows (as in your technique is solid) then its time to push it.

You need to buy a body fat monitor, Train your ass off, and just keep bumping calories till the scale starts to move. If its all fat, back off calories and up the training. Once you know wha your gaining level is, then you have something to work with. I have a feeling you will find the number you need to gain is going to be more than you are used to eating.

Dairy IMO is best for peri-post workout. Yoghurt is actually a great one, just add 500g low fat natural yoghurt to your post workout shake and drink it up. That will spike insulin to a massive exent.

The best foods to maintain glycogen are healthy carb sources. Oats IMO are the best. For some reason oats don’t seem to bloat you or make you gain as much fat. And I am personally of the opinion that you should have a high to moderate carb meal at night, it helps you sleep and night time is when the protein switches kick into overdrive, you don’t want to be dehydrated or carb depleted at that time, and you want insulin shuttling nutrients to the cells that need them.[/quote]

I actually lol’d IRL at the broscience in this post. Holy shit. ahhaha

[/quote]

Ok then. Please articulate what you think is “bro-science” and we’ll see if what you say holds any water.
[/quote]

Everything about dairy
your thoughts nutrient timing mattering
oats not making you gain as much fat as other carbs (I could eat poptarts and ice cream and so long as macros are the same it wouldn’t have any effect on body comp)
please define what “protein kicking into overdrive” at night even means

Also you don’t carb deplete/lose muscle glycogen if you don’t have carbs for a few hours.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Did I give advice? I’m 5’9" 175 with a LEGIT 12% bodyfat. I can dunk a basketball, do a couple of reps on the bench with 1.5 times my bodyweight, run a sub 4.6 40 yard dash all with two major knee injuries under my belt and 31 years of age. I can also take my shirt off without a pump and ideal lighting and camera tricks and get complimented on my build. I could care less about being massive and so out of shape I couldn’t do a single bodyweight lunge. I’d be so embarrassed and ashamed of myself I’d probably crawl into a bucket of haggen daas and hibernate for the summer.[/quote]

Hey don’t tell the world about my summer training methods.

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So many butthurt fat people on here. Honestly if you can bench 400lbs and squat 500lbs you can lose some weight, its not that hard. Spend 3 months cutting and stop being a fatass- be done with it. Its so much easier to lose a lb of fat than gain a lb of muscle anyway after you’ve been training for a while and makes a bigger difference in how you look.

Been there, was 20lbs overweight and people thought I was getting a lot stronger. Looked like shirt with my shirt off though. Don’t be a marzouk.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

Sorry for my iPad skills but I thought your dentist amazing trained super duper reading comprehension would take care of that

You should I was wrong how? I posted no finite numbers so again you are actually supporting my argument.
[/quote]

Once again, you are the guy claiming to be in med school?

I just went through each statement made and showed you what was wrong. For you to even think like that concerning the human body makes me question your education.

Care to explain how not adding finite numbers erases the fact that you didn’t even acknowledge adaptability?[/quote]

No you really didn’t. You added variables and complexity. Which I didn’t. Agree there are variables that affect it again hence why I didn’t use finite statements and made broad ones…your arguments really suck btw. Really not even fun any more [/quote]

But…your “broad statements” make the statement incorrect or implies that you can not change how fast muscle is synthesized.

I just showed you that you can to some degree through very known methods.

Care to explain why you still don’t seem to understand this?..med school guy?.
[/quote]

I love how you through that in at the end every time

My broad statements don’t imply anything. That’s just what you assume they mean. If you are arguing against them you are saying nattys have no limit in protein syntheiss? Constant manipulation of those variables you stated which you missed some, will allow infinite protein synthesis?

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[quote]Mtag666 wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]Mtag666 wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:
I know I basically just asked the same question twice to MassiveGuns and BlueCollarTr8n, but I’m also interested in your opinion too.

What kind of a modern “bulking diet” would you advocate in order to optimize muscle gains and take advantage of hormonal fluctuations, insulin response, etc.?

I’m assuming that your additional training in biology and the human body has given you some insight into how to optimize those processes, so I’m interested in how you would approach it.[/quote]

Ideal situation:

New trainer under the age of 25 with above average genetics who does no gain fat easily. For someone like that with a goal of being really big, those insulin responses to food intake will aid more muscle growth. It is only recently that many people seem to act as if insulin spikes should be avoided. They should if you are trying to lose body fat and retain muscle. That is not ideal for gaining the most muscle possible.

You may want to start another thread. I have a feeling this one will be screwed by the same nonsense that has been happening.[/quote]

Good call.[/quote]

Well, I tried creating a new thread but it seems to be in limbo somewhere. If that thread ever gets created, I’ll copy things over.

Unfortunately I don’t represent the ideal situation there with the “under 25 and above average genetics”.

What sort of dietary approach would you suggest for someone who has the genetics of a distance runner and an appetite that self-regulates to 135lbs @ 5’10?[/quote]

It sounds like you are one of those people that will have a hard time putting on weight. Do you find that you can eat whatever you want and you can still see your abs? If you are one of those people, how you should start depends on your lifting experience. If you are a total noob, just make sure you have protein covered for you weight, and eat a little bit more than your current intake, say an extra 300cal. Once you have a solid foundation in Squats, Deads, Military press, Bench, Dips and rows (as in your technique is solid) then its time to push it.

You need to buy a body fat monitor, Train your ass off, and just keep bumping calories till the scale starts to move. If its all fat, back off calories and up the training. Once you know wha your gaining level is, then you have something to work with. I have a feeling you will find the number you need to gain is going to be more than you are used to eating.

Dairy IMO is best for peri-post workout. Yoghurt is actually a great one, just add 500g low fat natural yoghurt to your post workout shake and drink it up. That will spike insulin to a massive exent.

The best foods to maintain glycogen are healthy carb sources. Oats IMO are the best. For some reason oats don’t seem to bloat you or make you gain as much fat. And I am personally of the opinion that you should have a high to moderate carb meal at night, it helps you sleep and night time is when the protein switches kick into overdrive, you don’t want to be dehydrated or carb depleted at that time, and you want insulin shuttling nutrients to the cells that need them.[/quote]

I actually lol’d IRL at the broscience in this post. Holy shit. ahhaha

[/quote]

Ok then. Please articulate what you think is “bro-science” and we’ll see if what you say holds any water.
[/quote]

Everything about dairy
your thoughts nutrient timing mattering
oats not making you gain as much fat as other carbs (I could eat poptarts and ice cream and so long as macros are the same it wouldn’t have any effect on body comp)
please define what “protein kicking into overdrive” at night even means

Also you don’t carb deplete/lose muscle glycogen if you don’t have carbs for a few hours. [/quote]

If you compare the glycemic index of dairy, with its insulin index, you will find that it is indeed insulinogenic. Its insulin index is double its glycemic index and is, I think, the only food where the difference is that high. There is a shitload of information out there on this.

You can argue with me about nutrient timing till we are both blue in the face, but many people sleep better after carbs. Carbs raise feel good neurotransmitter levels which is why people sleep better.

For reference: High-glycemic-index carbohydrate meals shorten sleep onset - PubMed

My thoughts on oats are my personal opinion. But as a disclaimer, if you think that the food you eat consists soley of the macros and nothing else biologically active, then you are sorely mistaken.

The reason you sleep at night is because your body has evolved to protect the sensitive mechanism of DNA replication from UV light, hence the vast majority of cell differentiation and protein synthesis occur at night. Bro.

If you train at night then you may well be carb depleted before you go to bed. I did not state what you wrote anywhere, but I can see how you could that read into what I wrote.

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[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

Sorry for my iPad skills but I thought your dentist amazing trained super duper reading comprehension would take care of that

You should I was wrong how? I posted no finite numbers so again you are actually supporting my argument.
[/quote]

Once again, you are the guy claiming to be in med school?

I just went through each statement made and showed you what was wrong. For you to even think like that concerning the human body makes me question your education.

Care to explain how not adding finite numbers erases the fact that you didn’t even acknowledge adaptability?[/quote]

No you really didn’t. You added variables and complexity. Which I didn’t. Agree there are variables that affect it again hence why I didn’t use finite statements and made broad ones…your arguments really suck btw. Really not even fun any more [/quote]

But…your “broad statements” make the statement incorrect or implies that you can not change how fast muscle is synthesized.

I just showed you that you can to some degree through very known methods.

Care to explain why you still don’t seem to understand this?..med school guy?.
[/quote]

I love how you through that in at the end every time

My broad statements don’t imply anything. That’s just what you assume they mean. If you are arguing against them you are saying nattys have no limit in protein syntheiss? Constant manipulation of those variables you stated which you missed some, will allow infinite protein synthesis?
[/quote]

Broad statements are just broad statements. Can you not see how you are making your argument extremely weak by stating it solely consists of broad statements?

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[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Fact naturals can only synthesis so much muscle in a time period
Fact only so many calories are needed for this
Fact eating more adds only bF that will need to be lost unless BF is of no concern

Anything others want to add to this list?[/quote]

Add to it?

Statement: Fact naturals can only synthesis so much muscle in a time period

Truth: All humans have variable rates at which they synthesize muscle and this is an adaptive ability as well. Increased training can increase protein anabolism…meaning synthesis of muscle tissue is not static but changes in rate due to many variables…like age, stress, overall conditioning, sleep, etc…

Statement:Fact only so many calories are needed for this

Truth: The amount of calories needed for this changes as the needs of the body change. It can not be predicted but you can try to feed it when it is most ready to grow.

Statement: Fact eating more adds only bF that will need to be lost unless BF is of no concern

Truth: Combined with intense training, adding muscular body weight even if fat is added could contribute to increased leverage which could increase the weight used for exercises…which alone could lead to more muscle growth. Joint lubrication and stability is also a factor as many notice a decrease in joint integrity with extremely lean body comps.

Hormonal fluctuations associated with age may also allow more muscle to be built from more intake. This is why it is often discussed that even obese people do NOT just gain body fat…they gain fat and muscle tissue…even if that muscle gain is minimal…it comes without training.[/quote]

Plz note I did not finite numbers there just because of this so…not sure what your argument is[/quote]

You did not “finite” numbers?

What are you talking about?

Are you the guy claiming to be in med school?

WTF?[/quote]

Please explain what you don’t understand [/quote]

Dude, your sentence isn’t even correct grammar so I don’t even know what you were trying to say.

None of what you write before was correct. I just showed you that. If you disagree, please disagree point by point.

It seems that once someone challenges you, you tend to give up.[/quote]

Sorry for my iPad skills but I thought your dentist amazing trained super duper reading comprehension would take care of that

You should I was wrong how? I posted no finite numbers so again you are actually supporting my argument.
[/quote]

You don’t actually have an argument! You have a meaningless statement followed by two assumptions with no evidence to back them up. You’ll make a great doctor with that kind of attitude. You don’t even realise you don’t need finite numbers, just a frame of reference.

If you think that protein synthesis occurs at the same rate all the time, you better go read up those textbooks again.
[/quote]

Plz find a quote where I stated that protein syntheiss occurs at the same rate all the time…I will wait but not hold my breath

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[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

I love how you through that in at the end every time

My broad statements don’t imply anything. That’s just what you assume they mean. If you are arguing against them you are saying nattys have no limit in protein syntheiss? Constant manipulation of those variables you stated which you missed some, will allow infinite protein synthesis?
[/quote]

Who wrote anything about “no limits”? It is like when you get trapped by your own nonsense you turn tail and run.

You were implying that muscle synthesis can not be changed in a trainer…when it can.

Are you really a med student?

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[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

Sorry for my iPad skills but I thought your dentist amazing trained super duper reading comprehension would take care of that

You should I was wrong how? I posted no finite numbers so again you are actually supporting my argument.
[/quote]

Once again, you are the guy claiming to be in med school?

I just went through each statement made and showed you what was wrong. For you to even think like that concerning the human body makes me question your education.

Care to explain how not adding finite numbers erases the fact that you didn’t even acknowledge adaptability?[/quote]

No you really didn’t. You added variables and complexity. Which I didn’t. Agree there are variables that affect it again hence why I didn’t use finite statements and made broad ones…your arguments really suck btw. Really not even fun any more [/quote]

But…your “broad statements” make the statement incorrect or implies that you can not change how fast muscle is synthesized.

I just showed you that you can to some degree through very known methods.

Care to explain why you still don’t seem to understand this?..med school guy?.
[/quote]

I love how you through that in at the end every time

My broad statements don’t imply anything. That’s just what you assume they mean. If you are arguing against them you are saying nattys have no limit in protein syntheiss? Constant manipulation of those variables you stated which you missed some, will allow infinite protein synthesis?
[/quote]

Broad statements are just broad statements. Can you not see how you are making your argument extremely weak by stating it solely consists of broad statements?[/quote]

Can’t you see I give no fucks about making a strong argument with you or X it doesn’t take a strong one to still correct and you are backing up. All of a sudden my argument went from plain wrong and stupid to not strong. You just are so easy to bait

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

I love how you through that in at the end every time

My broad statements don’t imply anything. That’s just what you assume they mean. If you are arguing against them you are saying nattys have no limit in protein syntheiss? Constant manipulation of those variables you stated which you missed some, will allow infinite protein synthesis?
[/quote]

Who wrote anything about “no limits”? It is like when you get trapped by your own nonsense you turn tail and run.

You were implying that muscle synthesis can not be changed in a trainer…when it can.

Are you really a med student?[/quote]
Go retread my statment. I said that nattys have a limit in protein syntheis or gaining In a time period I can’t remeber. Yet you say this is wrong so if that’s wrong the opposite must be true

Lol the med student thing again. I am unsure if you mean that as an insult because any time you tell someone you are a med student they love it, they are in awe. So keep complimenting me I love it. Mr dentist I can’t make it into a harder profession and have to come on the Internet to attempt to boost my self confidence. Good thing I have a good tv show in the background

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[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
. I said that nattys have a limit in protein syntheis or gaining In a time period I can’t remeber. Yet you say this is wrong so if that’s wrong the opposite must be true[/quote]

There is no fucking way you are a med student writing like this…and the problem isn’t the iPad.

Ok…back to not being able to argue what is written.

Wow…and you guys think you are smarter?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
. I said that nattys have a limit in protein syntheis or gaining In a time period I can’t remeber. Yet you say this is wrong so if that’s wrong the opposite must be true[/quote]

There is no fucking way you are a med student writing like this…and the problem isn’t the iPad.

Ok…back to not being able to argue what is written.

Wow…and you guys think you are smarter?[/quote]

Ok

And we don’t think we know

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[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

Ok

And we don’t think we know
[/quote]

Dude, you don’t even know how to write complete sentences.

Your “broad statements” were the worst expression of understanding of the human body I have seen for anyone claiming they went to school for this.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

Ok

And we don’t think we know
[/quote]

Dude, you don’t even know how to write complete sentences.

Your “broad statements” were the worst expression of understanding of the human body I have seen for anyone claiming they went to school for this.[/quote]

Alright big buy all knowing master

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[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
If you compare the glycemic index of dairy, with its insulin index, you will find that it is indeed insulinogenic. Its insulin index is double its glycemic index and is, I think, the only food where the difference is that high. There is a shitload of information out there on this.

You can argue with me about nutrient timing till we are both blue in the face, but many people sleep better after carbs. Carbs raise feel good neurotransmitter levels which is why people sleep better.

For reference: High-glycemic-index carbohydrate meals shorten sleep onset - PubMed

My thoughts on oats are my personal opinion. But as a disclaimer, if you think that the food you eat consists soley of the macros and nothing else biologically active, then you are sorely mistaken.

The reason you sleep at night is because your body has evolved to protect the sensitive mechanism of DNA replication from UV light, hence the vast majority of cell differentiation and protein synthesis occur at night. Bro.

If you train at night then you may well be carb depleted before you go to bed. I did not state what you wrote anywhere, but I can see how you could that read into what I wrote.[/quote]

MG, I replied to your earlier post in the other thread, here’s a direct link to my response:

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What kind of training do Sumo wrestlers do regards promoting muscle mass? I dont think they lift weights do they? Just pushing against each other I would imagine. Does this mean that extremely obese people like the kind you see on American tv shows who can barely stand or get out of bed have by dint of eating so much carry more muscle than BBs?

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[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
It might be an idea to read the paper and not the abstract before publicly stating an opinion. And just because everyone thinks the world is flat, does not mean that it is.
[/quote]
I couldn’t access that paper at my university or the medical school I sometimes studied at.[/quote]

Me neither.

MG, if you wouldn’t mind tossing the complete paper up for us to peruse (via Dropbox or something similar), it would be much appreciated.