Palm Strikes (Street Fights)

Why palm strike???

What about blood? What does he have?

Knuckles cut people open then you get hep C, HIV etc.

Police have to worry about this shit because they constantly deal with drug addicts.

Plus once a palm hits it can grab. In non-mma fights where clothes are the norm this is a huge advantage.

Of course I don’t train them for my mma fights because I have unlimited wrist protection and gloves. It’s great, But in the streets, new game.

Punch a dude right in the forehead and tell me it won’t break your hand. I broke a guys pinky kunckle by “blocking” with my fat (It’s huge) head.

-chris

[quote]AznMscls wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
AznMscls wrote:
This just makes you sound more like a poser. Most street fighters I know tend to avoid conflict. It gets old after a while and having cops look for you every weekend is just not fun.

Another poser. The reason someone becomes a street fighter is because he does it often. It’s easy to avoid fights. It was rare indeed when I could not have avoided a fight. In fact, I can’t think of one time where I wasn’t at least partially responsible for the fight starting.

Some guys go through a phase where that’s what they lived for. I went through the phase. Sure, today I avoid fights, but that’s because I’m too old and don’t want to be sued and get arrested. I did not have that same attitude when I was 12-19.

I also do not consider myself a street fighter. I’m just a banged-up old fart who used to be one. So that I avoid fights is not probative of what ACTUAL fighters do.

You, obviously, have never been a fighter, nor have you been around many.

Quit fronting.

Poser? Are you blind or can you just not read? I never stated that I ever fought in my last post.

BUT if I was a fighter, I would not consider it easy as you say to avoid a fight. Heck… if I was a fighter I would presume it to be harder to avoid one rather than engaging.

I’m sorry it took you that long to realize you didn’t want to get sued or arrested, some people come to that realization quicker.

You obviously have never been in that many street fights. Have you ever been arrested? Have you ever been charged with assault? Have you had to pay someones medical bills? After a few times, people tend to smarten up and start to avoid fights. Either that or you’re blessed with luck that everywhere and everyone you fought didn’t call or give up your name to the police.

YOU, obviously, have never been a street fighter, or maybe its perhaps you were just to slow to realize the cost severely outweighs the fun, joy, excitement or what-have-yous of street fighting.[/quote]

You also know very little about the law. So long as you don’t do something ruthless like stomp the guy’s head when he’s down, you’ll rarely be arrested for fighting. The guys who get carried away are the ones who get into trouble.

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
AznMscls wrote:
This just makes you sound more like a poser. Most street fighters I know tend to avoid conflict. It gets old after a while and having cops look for you every weekend is just not fun.

Another poser. The reason someone becomes a street fighter is because he does it often. It’s easy to avoid fights. It was rare indeed when I could not have avoided a fight. In fact, I can’t think of one time where I wasn’t at least partially responsible for the fight starting.

Some guys go through a phase where that’s what they lived for. I went through the phase. Sure, today I avoid fights, but that’s because I’m too old and don’t want to be sued and get arrested. I did not have that same attitude when I was 12-19.

I also do not consider myself a street fighter. I’m just a banged-up old fart who used to be one. So that I avoid fights is not probative of what ACTUAL fighters do.

You, obviously, have never been a fighter, nor have you been around many.

Quit fronting.

People forget that in order to be considered a “street fighter” (a term thrown around so loosely that I think it’s fucking hysterical), you have to be an asshole.

Not the, “Yea, I’m an asshole” in the Dennis Leary sense of the word, but mostly a true dick who takes offense at very small things and is willing to risk possibly killing someone over them.

I’m 22, and I don’t look at fighting the same as I did when I was 18. Once you have to run from the cops because they’re going to arrest you for assault or you catch a beer bottle in the eye, fighting becomes a lot less fun.

I could have probably avoided most of the fights I’ve been in. I don’t really have much to prove to anyone now, and I’m too old to not be able to think about being thrown in jail getting sued by some asshole at a bar.

My original theory still stands though- when you try to do things like “palm strikes” because you saw someone do it and it looked cool, you’re going to break your wrist and end up looking like an asshole.

Not to mention you’ll get stomped. [/quote]

Dude,

Hate to call you out, but exactly how many times have you run from the cops? 2-3?

Seriously?

How many?

And yes, I enjoy fighting for the fun of fighting eventhopugh I am older and have responsibilities I never had before. Although I am older now, 35 years old to be exact, with a son & wife, rent & and numerous financial responsibilities, but I get the urge to engage in a physical dispute, I turn to my my wife and ask if I can.

If she says “boo,” then I am off. I love to fight win or lose. If she says “no” then I sit back down.

The good thing is she thinks I am bluffing sometimes :slight_smile:

Either way, she seems to enjoy it which is why I married her. I can find a new job, I can find new enemies. But the people that seem to think they are above everything honorable sometimes need to be knocked the fuck out. And sometimes they wake up and stop cutting people off in traffic and being a dis-honorable person. They realize that sometimes their actions may have consequences, by a psycho cook like me, and they just might wake up with their teeth in their throat.

And don’t get me wrong Fightingirish, I have much respect for you. I have seen many posts on here where you have displayed knowledge and intelligence. You are not a fool and have earned respect. But what you say about fighting above limits it to your perspective.

The idea I am trying to get across is some street fighters have such a passion for it, they put aside the limitations imposed by our society for the fun, and hopeful avoidance, of the activity. Lets face it, every fight does not end in prosecution, and sometimes being prosecuted is worth beating someone’s ass.

First you assumed I was fronting to be a fighter when I never stated I was and now you assume I know little about the law when it concerns fighting yet you dodge my questions.

Its like me saying, “you’re inflicted with a small penis”. How did I come up with this conclusion? I don’t know, I just assumed so.

[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
So long as you don’t do something ruthless like stomp the guy’s head when he’s down, you’ll rarely be arrested for fighting.[/quote]

I don’t know a lot of things, I must be ignorant. I also don’t know what fantasy world you live in but if you’re in a fight and the cops show up, they arrest people! Ruthless or not.

[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
The guys who get carried away are the ones who get into trouble. [/quote]

Really? So now you’re saying the guy that recieved the “ruthless” beatdown will be more likely to get in trouble. How about I paint you a different scenario. The guy that gets carried away to the hospital is question by police. They get your name and within a day or so are looking to arrest you for assault. Now you either face trial or he can drop the charges if you pay the guys medical bill which is absurdly high since he has no insurance.

Welcome to the real world.

[quote]AznMscls wrote:
First you assumed I was fronting to be a fighter when I never stated I was and now you assume I know little about the law when it concerns fighting yet you dodge my questions.

Its like me saying, “you’re inflicted with a small penis”. How did I come up with this conclusion? I don’t know, I just assumed so.

CaliforniaLaw wrote:
So long as you don’t do something ruthless like stomp the guy’s head when he’s down, you’ll rarely be arrested for fighting.

I don’t know a lot of things, I must be ignorant. I also don’t know what fantasy world you live in but if you’re in a fight and the cops show up, they arrest people! Ruthless or not.

CaliforniaLaw wrote:
The guys who get carried away are the ones who get into trouble.

Really? So now you’re saying the guy that recieved the “ruthless” beatdown will be more likely to get in trouble. How about I paint you a different scenario. The guy that gets carried away to the hospital is question by police. They get your name and within a day or so are looking to arrest you for assault. Now you either face trial or he can drop the charges if you pay the guys medical bill which is absurdly high since he has no insurance.

Welcome to the real world.[/quote]

Hate to call you out brother, but in Washington DC street fighting is called disorderly fighting (no matter how orderly i think I beat them down) and is punishable by a few hours in a holding cell, and $50.00 for release no criminal record involved. No trial, no jury, nothing except $50.00 :slight_smile:

Hello!!!

Thats right my friend, it does not even go on a record. You spend a few hours in a holding cell (if you are caught), pay $50 bucks, and you are free. No record, no lost job nothing. Just a free fight.

Also understand you need to draw a serious crowd in DC to even get arrested :slight_smile:

Hence: free-$50.00 street fights in DC!!! Wake up man. Don’t street fight where you will get busted for it!!

Avoid those fights!!! For me, I will almost never fight in Virginia, I go to DC for my fun! Virginia puyts it on my record, and prosecutes me. DC: they do nothing!!!

[quote]AznMscls wrote:
First you assumed I was fronting to be a fighter when I never stated I was and now you assume I know little about the law when it concerns fighting yet you dodge my questions.

Its like me saying, “you’re inflicted with a small penis”. How did I come up with this conclusion? I don’t know, I just assumed so.

CaliforniaLaw wrote:
So long as you don’t do something ruthless like stomp the guy’s head when he’s down, you’ll rarely be arrested for fighting.

I don’t know a lot of things, I must be ignorant. I also don’t know what fantasy world you live in but if you’re in a fight and the cops show up, they arrest people! Ruthless or not.

CaliforniaLaw wrote:
The guys who get carried away are the ones who get into trouble.

Really? So now you’re saying the guy that recieved the “ruthless” beatdown will be more likely to get in trouble. How about I paint you a different scenario. The guy that gets carried away to the hospital is question by police. They get your name and within a day or so are looking to arrest you for assault. Now you either face trial or he can drop the charges if you pay the guys medical bill which is absurdly high since he has no insurance.

Welcome to the real world.[/quote]

No disrespect brother, because a large amount of what you say is correct.

However, you have to pick and choose fights so that you know you can get away with it legally.

Believe me, I know, people are all about talking about how they are going to mess you up until they wake up with their teeth in their hand. Then they call the cops.

You need to avoid this. Dont fight people who know your name. Dont give them your name and tell them to contact the police when you they are spitting teeth. Dont fight where cops take fighting seriously. Ever hear of mutual combatants?

Hate to say it man, but you are a little off here. I fight in Washington DC, and on the off chance I create such a commotion I get arrested, it costs me $50.00 bucks to get out. No rial, nothing. Just a fine.

Know your area brother, and fight accordingly. Play it smart.

[quote]Petedacook wrote:
AznMscls wrote:
First you assumed I was fronting to be a fighter when I never stated I was and now you assume I know little about the law when it concerns fighting yet you dodge my questions.

Its like me saying, “you’re inflicted with a small penis”. How did I come up with this conclusion? I don’t know, I just assumed so.

CaliforniaLaw wrote:
So long as you don’t do something ruthless like stomp the guy’s head when he’s down, you’ll rarely be arrested for fighting.

I don’t know a lot of things, I must be ignorant. I also don’t know what fantasy world you live in but if you’re in a fight and the cops show up, they arrest people! Ruthless or not.

CaliforniaLaw wrote:
The guys who get carried away are the ones who get into trouble.

Really? So now you’re saying the guy that recieved the “ruthless” beatdown will be more likely to get in trouble. How about I paint you a different scenario. The guy that gets carried away to the hospital is question by police. They get your name and within a day or so are looking to arrest you for assault. Now you either face trial or he can drop the charges if you pay the guys medical bill which is absurdly high since he has no insurance.

Welcome to the real world.

No disrespect brother, because a large amount of what you say is correct.

However, you have to pick and choose fights so that you know you can get away with it legally.

Believe me, I know, people are all about talking about how they are going to mess you up until they wake up with their teeth in their hand. Then they call the cops.

You need to avoid this. Dont fight people who know your name. Dont give them your name and tell them to contact the police when you they are spitting teeth. Dont fight where cops take fighting seriously. Ever hear of mutual combatants?

Hate to say it man, but you are a little off here. I fight in Washington DC, and on the off chance I create such a commotion I get arrested, it costs me $50.00 bucks to get out. No rial, nothing. Just a fine.

Know your area brother, and fight accordingly. Play it smart.
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You’re kind of an idiot dude.

Palm strikes are a good tool and people who say otherwise are wrong.

I have used them in real situations and they can be devastating. They can be effective even for people with otherwise weak fists e.g girls, and 90% of the male population who think they are tough but

a) can’t punch in the first place
b) even with their weak punches stuff their wrist/knuckles

Apart from saving damage to self the palm strike can deliver a different kind of blow, and can lead to grappling or scratching or whatever, faster and better.

People have died from palm strikes from having the bridge to their nose break and go back into their brain.

Bas Rutten knows his stuff and I recommend his street self defense as a good overview of what you should be looking for. There are other good systems out there as well but really they all look the same when they are effective.

You don’t need to be an asshole to get into street fights, just run into assholes. Or hang out with some. OR hang out with really gorgeous women which often incites violence from dickless shit-for-brain drunks.

I hope I never have to fight again.
I try to keep in some kind of fighting shape in case I have to.
I am nowhere near as good as I was but hopefully I am still able to handle myself.
Problem is it always happens when you least expect it, when you are drunk, tired, sick etc… when people prey on you.
In that case it is good to have drilled in reflex skills to help you out.

In my opinion the best way to resolve any fight (that I assume you did not want) is with minimum damage to self, rapid resolve, usually like this

  1. unexpectedly attacked
  2. reflexive defense / minimise damage
  3. reflective STUNNING hit of some kind
  4. a throw, lock, strike of utter incapacitation
  5. rapid exit / finish

With minimal self injury.

That is ideal. Your self defense training should give you reflexes so you don’t have to think in steps 1-3 because chances are you won’t be able to. The training here is should be drills with someone attacking you, you respond, over and over.

Step 4 takes some thought and assessment. A good solution is to put the person on the ground with a throw/trip etc… although you have to be careful, sending someone to ground can kill them if they bang their head. You want a swift, unstoppable graceful takedown. An alternative is to break their leg or something similar, an injury that cannot be ignored and stops them.

Then gettoutathere.

My point is you never want to be training to face off with someone as if you were in a sparring match. You don’t know who else is on their side. If someone strikes you and you face off with them you have LOST the element of surprise - that comes from your surprising, sudden, reflexive counterstrike.

I mean, they jump you, that is their surprise. If you then face up to them you have lost YOUR chance to surprise them. People really go into shock if they throw a surprise attack at you and before they have finished trying to hit you, you’ve dodged/blocked and hit back - it really isn’t what they expect.

Palm strikes are fast, good in close range, have a great shock value and can easily move to a grapple/throw with minimal damage to yourself and graceful/minimal harm to the idiot as well.

[quote]Petedacook wrote:

No disrespect brother, because a large amount of what you say is correct.

However, you have to pick and choose fights so that you know you can get away with it legally.

Believe me, I know, people are all about talking about how they are going to mess you up until they wake up with their teeth in their hand. Then they call the cops.

You need to avoid this. Dont fight people who know your name. Dont give them your name and tell them to contact the police when you they are spitting teeth. Dont fight where cops take fighting seriously. Ever hear of mutual combatants?

Hate to say it man, but you are a little off here. I fight in Washington DC, and on the off chance I create such a commotion I get arrested, it costs me $50.00 bucks to get out. No rial, nothing. Just a fine.

Know your area brother, and fight accordingly. Play it smart.
[/quote]

The first rule of Fight Club is we don’t talk about Fight Club

[quote]Jesse22 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
It is just a bitch slap.

Tell that to Bas Rutten. Look at his old fights, the open palm strike was very effective.[/quote]

Some of us don’t know the meaning of satire.

[quote]GaMeOvEr305 wrote:
When did we all decide to leave our glocks at home?[/quote]

bump

[quote]Petedacook wrote:
I fight in Washington DC, and on the off chance I create such a commotion I get arrested, it costs me $50.00 bucks to get out. No rial, nothing. Just a fine.
[/quote]

Sheeit, must be nice! I’ve still got a simple battery (misdemeanor) charge hanging over my head from a fight I got into in a parking lot in 1992! It was originally listed as aggravated battery (3rd degree felony), but reduced because it was a first offense.

Admittedly, I was 18 at the time and a little over-zealous in fucking the guy up, but damn, the fat asshole kicked the door of my Fiero! What was a boy to do?

What ever happened to the good ol’ “kick in the nuts”??

[quote]Petedacook wrote:
make his face like a target and close his eyes when you hit it.
[/quote]

Will he be screaming with fear, or with fear he’ll be screaming?

10 points to any old school rap fans who can name the title and artist. Petedacook is disqualified since he wrote it in the first place.

(points redeemable for absolutely nothing)

[quote]Magarhe wrote:
People have died from palm strikes from having the bridge to their nose break and go back into their brain.
[/quote]

Sorry but this part is wrong. There has never been any documented case where this has happened, and I’m pretty sure it’s next to impossible. With a sledgehammer, sure, because you could shatter more than cartilage.

[quote]Angrypenguin wrote:
How much training/experience do you have? If very little it doesnt really matter what you read or think about trying out because you adrenaline will dump and you will revert to instinct. 95% of the people have no idea how to throw a punch or can do it instinctively.

Street fights are all about dealing as much damage and violence as quickly as possible and getting the hell out of there. Nothing beats a well placed fist to the chin/jaw or the nose. As far as palm strikes go, unless you practice them to the point of muscle memory, stay with the basics.

If you are good/calm enough to use palm strikes effectively in a street fight, you will know how throw a solid punch without hurting yourself and dropping someone anyway.
[/quote]

I have an i-kyu in Shotokan, but I found it easier to hit someone with a palm heel. Of course I only trained in Shotokan for fifteen years …

Some people find open hand strikes easier, I’m not sure why. A fist gives you 2-3" of extra range, and properly used you can hit most human targets without harming your knuckles.

Try a bag and practice. You will find that for most people, they hit better with a fist. But, a palm heel and people have a hard time believing you meant to hurt anyone you hit.

A lot of palm heel training went back to the early 70s when the full contact gloves allowed certain kinds of heel strikes to make more solid contact than a punch. You had a rash of guys training the way I trained. But you are unlikely to end up in a street fight with a set of contact gear from the 1970s unless you managed to pick it up from the goodwill my wife dropped my gear off at and you don’t have the sense to take it off.

[quote]Xyo_II wrote:
Magarhe wrote:
People have died from palm strikes from having the bridge to their nose break and go back into their brain.

Sorry but this part is wrong. There has never been any documented case where this has happened, and I’m pretty sure it’s next to impossible. With a sledgehammer, sure, because you could shatter more than cartilage.

The crista galli is a thick piece of bone projecting from the Cribiform plate which you would have to smash through to do as you describe. The Cribiform plate does I believe have small “holes” in it, which is where I believe this concept of reaching the brain comes from. To clarify therefore, one would have to splinter the cartilage in the nose into literally tiny fragments which would then have to pass through minute holes in yet another piece of bone (with a triangular piece of bone attached to the front (crista galli)and thereafter travel with considerable force into the brain.
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Yes, cartilage smashes down so flat that I’d doubt you could do it. If you could, it wouldn’t matter if the nose were there or not.

I’ve been kicked pretty hard in the face, hard enough in the nose to be picked up off my feet. Still here. I’ve flattened people’s noses with strikes to the face. Enough blood the school was sure someone had been knifed, but no brain damage at all.

One of those urban legends.

On the other hand … smashing a guy’s nose isn’t a bad idea.

If you do it, your goal should be to get his hand on his broken nose. For some reason, a broken nose is like superglue, and a guy who grabs his broken nose is pretty much out of the fight with his hand stuck to his face.

Comes up in training accidents (or why I kept my hands away from my face when kicked in the face).

[quote]Petedacook wrote:

Dude,

Hate to call you out, but exactly how many times have you run from the cops? 2-3?

Seriously?

How many?

And yes, I enjoy fighting for the fun of fighting eventhopugh I am older and have responsibilities I never had before. Although I am older now, 35 years old to be exact, with a son & wife, rent & and numerous financial responsibilities, but I get the urge to engage in a physical dispute, I turn to my my wife and ask if I can.

If she says “boo,” then I am off. I love to fight win or lose. If she says “no” then I sit back down.

The good thing is she thinks I am bluffing sometimes :slight_smile:

Either way, she seems to enjoy it which is why I married her. I can find a new job, I can find new enemies. But the people that seem to think they are above everything honorable sometimes need to be knocked the fuck out. And sometimes they wake up and stop cutting people off in traffic and being a dis-honorable person. They realize that sometimes their actions may have consequences, by a psycho cook like me, and they just might wake up with their teeth in their throat.

And don’t get me wrong Fightingirish, I have much respect for you. I have seen many posts on here where you have displayed knowledge and intelligence. You are not a fool and have earned respect. But what you say about fighting above limits it to your perspective.

The idea I am trying to get across is some street fighters have such a passion for it, they put aside the limitations imposed by our society for the fun, and hopeful avoidance, of the activity. Lets face it, every fight does not end in prosecution, and sometimes being prosecuted is worth beating someone’s ass.
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I never said the shit wasn’t fun. It is. The ones I’ve been in were fun. However, at this point, I can’t afford to get arrested over some jerkoff. I don’t get fucked with by other people, and I don’t go out of my way to start trouble. Like I said…I got nothin to prove.

With a wife and a kid, I think it’s irresponsible to try and be a little vigilante who beats up guys who cut you off…it’s also ridiculous. You don’t get charged with assault? I guess the folks down by you are a bit different than our boys in Jersey, but you get sued at the drop of a hat here, especially for assault.

Don’t get me wrong man, nothin personal…but you seem like one of the assholes I was talking about.

Where are all these stand up street fights taking place? If they seem likely, either run away, or if not, a good pre-emptive strike might just save your life.

Most conflicts are by some bugger smashing you about the head without even introducing himself. He is normally with a few friends and within a very short time you are a mess on the floor.

Living here in merry old England, I don’t have the right to own a firearm, or a knife, (in spite of the massive rise in knife assaults lately) and so I do self defence training in the vain hope that it might increase my odds of survival a bit; but for all you North Americans, I would just carry a gun and sure well learn how to use it.

Not getting drunk and steering clear of dodgy areas seems like a good idea also.

[quote]The Beast wrote:
Where are all these stand up street fights taking place? …[/quote]

Fantasyland. Most of these “streetfighters” have never been out of Mommy’s basement.