[quote]Beershoes wrote:
Someone want to post a link to this please? I was on the road and couldn’t watch it![/quote]
It’ll be aired on Saturday, if you’ve HBO you could just watch it then.
[quote]goldengloves wrote:
[quote]fnf wrote:
With these 2 fighters and their managements ego’s, I don’t think this fight will ever happen.[/quote]
I think the biggest problem is Bob Arum, Bob Arum is never going to try to work with Mayweather. Unless Roach tells him Mayweather is the only fighter they’re looking for Arum will just go into negotiations halfhearted and let the fight slip away again.[/quote]
I really dont like Arum, the dude just bothers me. And it has nothing to do with Pac or Roach, I just dont like the way th old man looks, oh and the way he TALKS! I feel like fuckin layin one right in the kisser every time he opens his mouth!
[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:
I really dont like Arum, the dude just bothers me. And it has nothing to do with Pac or Roach, I just dont like the way th old man looks, oh and the way he TALKS! I feel like fuckin layin one right in the kisser every time he opens his mouth![/quote]
Better than the King.
Al Capone would be better than Don King. At least Capone would give you your cut.
[quote]goldengloves wrote:
Hurting Margarito doesn’t mean he can hurt Mayweather, Margarito’s only real defense is absorbing all the blows with his face.
People really downplay Pacquiao’s need for the Mayweather/Pacquiao fight. Everyone could use more money, especially a person that gives away so much and is looking to get into politics. The Floyd fight will be the biggest payday of his career. If he doesn’t take the fight people will question him too, because I’ve never heard of any fighter refusing to fight because of drug testing. Beating Mayweather would also mean a lot to Pacquiao’s career, Mayweather will be the best fighter he’s faced and if Pacquiao wins he’ll move up on the all time P4P list. They both have something to gain from the fight.[/quote]
I get your points but, I know of a few friends parents selling there house here and moving to P.I. and living comfortably. 10mil here goes a long way over there. Since Pac is getting into politics, he can just take the money he needs later. LOL
Pacs career is set already. He’s mentioned with some of the greatest of all time. Of course beating Mayweather would mean the most, but it doesn’t take away from what he’s accomplished already. My point was Mayweather needs the money way more than Pac. May has a lavish lifestyle, he loves to spend money stupidly. Heck, his other nick name is “MONEY” Mayweather.
I questioned the drug testing also becuase the excuse Pac gave was pretty lame. But I understand that Pac doesn’t need to bend over backwards to satisfy Mayweather. If the commission changes the drug testing for all fighters, then Pac has to comply. Otherwise, FUCK May and his demands. It was easy for both of them to walk away from both of their biggest paydays, so it’ll be just as easy to set up a fight with another opponent. Not as lucrative, but at least the 8-10mil they usually get.
I’ve heard that Arum wanted Pac to fight Chavez Jr. That would sell with the Mexican community quite well.
Sorry for the rambling, but I’m both a Pac and May fan so I’m disappointed that they’ll NEVER meet.
[quote]fnf wrote:
I’ve heard that Arum wanted Pac to fight Chavez Jr. That would sell with the Mexican community quite well.
Sorry for the rambling, but I’m both a Pac and May fan so I’m disappointed that they’ll NEVER meet.[/quote]
Im Mexican and I sure as hell WOULDNT buy Pac/Chavez jr fight, it just sounds ridiculous. Nothing against you FNF, just Arum even mentioning this is stupid, much rather see Bradley/PAC or even Malignaggi/Pac before that fight.
On another note, If Mayweather beats Mosley decisively were does his legacy stand? Does he need Pac as much as people say, after a victory over Mosley?
Hatton, Marquez, DelaHoya @154, Judah, Mosley pretty much identical to Pac Mans. I wonder what the Haters will say then?
Pacquiao is trying to get into politics, he hasn’t been elected yet. He’s just running for office, and getting into office in any country requires money. So yes, a huge payday could help him immensely. If he didn’t want to make more money he’d of announced his retirement after the Clottey fight.
The commission isn’t going to raise testing standards for all fighters because then you’d have every fighter, even the ones making $5,000 to fight in a small venue, getting USADA style testing. I think it should be used for title bouts or at the request of a fighter. As it’s most commissions have horrible testing standards; just two urine tests that can easily be cheated. So Mayweather’s request isn’t all that ridiculous, because if he wants additional testing he can request it. He requested it[obviously], made concessions, and was going to be tested under the same standards. The concessions he made were both fair and tremendous, somebody can’t possibly say he was trying to get Pacquiao to bend over backwards. You can say, however, that Pacquiao was trying to get Mayweather to bend over backwards by wanting the testing clause to essentially be removed from the contract.
Bob Arum is delusional. Chavez JR can barely make 160, Pacquiao would have to go up to middleweight to fight him. Chavez JR just coasts off of the success of his father too, so I wouldn’t expect that to be that big of a fight. And to be honest, if Pacquiao has another bad fight people are going to lose interest in him. There are some fights he can take against people that don’t need to be built up though, it’d be interesting to see him against Tim Bradley, Devon Alexander, or the winner of Berto/Quintana. If Mosley beats Mayweather convincingly I don’t see Arum pursuing it, and if Mayweather wins[I think he’ll] Bob Arum is going to do what he did last negotiations; not even try to make the fight happen.
[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:
[quote]fnf wrote:
I’ve heard that Arum wanted Pac to fight Chavez Jr. That would sell with the Mexican community quite well.
Sorry for the rambling, but I’m both a Pac and May fan so I’m disappointed that they’ll NEVER meet.[/quote]
Im Mexican and I sure as hell WOULDNT buy Pac/Chavez jr fight, it just sounds ridiculous. Nothing against you FNF, just Arum even mentioning this is stupid, much rather see Bradley/PAC or even Malignaggi/Pac before that fight.
On another note, If Mayweather beats Mosley decisively were does his legacy stand? Does he need Pac as much as people say, after a victory over Mosley?
Hatton, Marquez, DelaHoya @154, Judah, Mosley pretty much identical to Pac Mans. I wonder what the Haters will say then?[/quote]
I think if he beats Mosely he should still fight Pac. Maybe one other solid welterweight- then call it a day if he wants
[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:
[quote]fnf wrote:
I’ve heard that Arum wanted Pac to fight Chavez Jr. That would sell with the Mexican community quite well.
Sorry for the rambling, but I’m both a Pac and May fan so I’m disappointed that they’ll NEVER meet.[/quote]
Im Mexican and I sure as hell WOULDNT buy Pac/Chavez jr fight, it just sounds ridiculous. Nothing against you FNF, just Arum even mentioning this is stupid, much rather see Bradley/PAC or even Malignaggi/Pac before that fight.
On another note, If Mayweather beats Mosley decisively were does his legacy stand? Does he need Pac as much as people say, after a victory over Mosley?
Hatton, Marquez, DelaHoya @154, Judah, Mosley pretty much identical to Pac Mans. I wonder what the Haters will say then?[/quote]
People only know Chavez JR because of Chavez SR. And to be honest, no Mexican people I know care about him that much, they just like his father and watch him because of who his father is.
I think people hype up him “ducking the welterweight” division too much. Back when Mayweather was promoted by Arum, Arum proposed the Mayweather/Margarito fight. Floyd said he’d an “injured hand” and they postponed negotiations on the fight. Arum also proposed a Cotto and Hatton fight to Floyd, but Floyd wanted more money than what Arum was offering. As some of you might know, Floyd wanted to fight Oscar for awhile. So while Floyd was waiting to see what happened with DLH/Mayorga, Arum and Floyd had another dispute over money[guaranteed money for DLH fight] and Arum didn’t even want to pursue a fight with DLH. Then Mayweather bought out his contract, fought DLH, and broke the PPV record. Before the fight Arum and Mayweather were “OK” with each other, after the DLH fight they’ve been on bad terms. Floyd fought Hatton, someone he would’ve fought anyway[but made more money than if Arum was promoting him], but Cotto and Margarito were[are] both promoted by Arum so Floyd could have just wanted to avoid doing business with Arum, and he and Mosley had been trying to fight for years. So did Mayweather really duck the welterweight division? Only he really knows, but in my opinion it’s mostly a talking point.
[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:
[quote]fnf wrote:
I’ve heard that Arum wanted Pac to fight Chavez Jr. That would sell with the Mexican community quite well.
Sorry for the rambling, but I’m both a Pac and May fan so I’m disappointed that they’ll NEVER meet.[/quote]
Im Mexican and I sure as hell WOULDNT buy Pac/Chavez jr fight, it just sounds ridiculous. Nothing against you FNF, just Arum even mentioning this is stupid, much rather see Bradley/PAC or even Malignaggi/Pac before that fight.
On another note, If Mayweather beats Mosley decisively were does his legacy stand? Does he need Pac as much as people say, after a victory over Mosley?
Hatton, Marquez, DelaHoya @154, Judah, Mosley pretty much identical to Pac Mans. I wonder what the Haters will say then?[/quote]
If Mayweather beats Mosley, which I expect him to, Mayweather haters will just say, "Oh, he beat up a 37yr old fighter on his last legs. I’ve heard them say, “Hatton and Marquez were too small, and DeLaHoya was too old. He should have fought Cotto before he fought DLH” I’ve spent a lot of time defending both Pac and May. haha
Pac and May need each other, but as many have stated, May and Arums hatred gets in the way.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
[quote]Beershoes wrote:
Someone want to post a link to this please? I was on the road and couldn’t watch it![/quote]
You reallllly don’t want to see this.
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http://www.boxinghighlights.info/?p=2698
Even though I think Mayweather is the obvious favorite, I think Mosley will win that fight. Although I may be picking with my heart instead of my head.
[quote]SKman wrote:
Even though I think Mayweather is the obvious favorite, I think Mosley will win that fight. Although I may be picking with my heart instead of my head.[/quote]
Mosley has a chance, if he can maintain a high work rate he can get the decision. I think Nazim’s plan is to get Mayweather against the ropes and outwork him anyway. This is going to sound really redundant but I only see Mayweather winning if he can counter and control the ring.
This is going to be a great fight regardless of the outcome though, I really can’t wait for May 1st.
[quote]goldengloves wrote:
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Mosley has a chance, if he can maintain a high work rate he can get the decision. I think Nazim’s plan is to get Mayweather against the ropes and outwork him anyway. This is going to sound really redundant but I only see Mayweather winning if he can counter and control the ring.
This is going to be a great fight regardless of the outcome though, I really can’t wait for May 1st.[/quote]
I agree with you as far as Shane maintaining a high work rate and TRYING to outwork Floyd on the ropes, but Floyd is very comfortable against the ropes. Some of his best counters come when he is against the ropes. You might remeber when he knocked Hatton out, Floyd landed a hook as he was spinning out of Hattons pressure.
[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:
[quote]goldengloves wrote:
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Mosley has a chance, if he can maintain a high work rate he can get the decision. I think Nazim’s plan is to get Mayweather against the ropes and outwork him anyway. This is going to sound really redundant but I only see Mayweather winning if he can counter and control the ring.
This is going to be a great fight regardless of the outcome though, I really can’t wait for May 1st.[/quote]
I agree with you as far as Shane maintaining a high work rate and TRYING to outwork Floyd on the ropes, but Floyd is very comfortable against the ropes. Some of his best counters come when he is against the ropes. You might remeber when he knocked Hatton out, Floyd landed a hook as he was spinning out of Hattons pressure.[/quote]
I agree, but if Shane is the busier fighter he’ll just keep getting 10-9 rounds in his favor.
[quote]goldengloves wrote:
I agree, but if Shane is the busier fighter he’ll just keep getting 10-9 rounds in his favor.
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True and Sugar Shane has the ability to do so.
I actually think Shane is more dangerous than Pacman…Pac showed his flaws against Clottey. I mean look at his face after words! Just wonder what the hell Floyd or Shane would have done to him!? now dont get me wrong Clottey lost convincingly, but Pac showed he can be touched and much easier than expected…
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaat Pacman got hit in a boxing match unbelievable!!!
[quote]drewh wrote:
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaat Pacman got hit in a boxing match unbelievable!!![/quote]
I get it, but dude theres no reason the so-called P4P king should look like that against a fighter who threw only 300 or so punches.
[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:
I actually think Shane is more dangerous than Pacman…Pac showed his flaws against Clottey. I mean look at his face after words! Just wonder what the hell Floyd or Shane would have done to him!? now dont get me wrong Clottey lost convincingly, but Pac showed he can be touched and much easier than expected…[/quote]
It showed that Pacquiao isn’t difficult to counter, or he wasn’t in the Clottey fight. He might have just thought he was hitting a heavybag and forgot Clottey would hit back though.
The reach advantage and Mayweather’s style would make it a bad fight for Pacquiao. It depends on which Pacquiao shows up though; the welterweight Pacquiao or the Pacquiao that fought in lower divisions. If the former shows up I see Mayweather catching him coming in all night, if the latter shows up I see Pacquiao reducing Mayweather’s productivity and he could get a decision.