Overtraining Symptom?

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My friend and roommate from Kenya who is a distance runner recently had blood work done to determine why he has been feeling bad and why his performance is declining. The results showed something is wrong with his liver.

His coach has been pushing him and his teammates very hard. The coach will tell them that they are not pushing hard enough and that the reason for their declining results is a lack of willpower. I have no doubts that my friend would be better off training on his own and listening to his body. He has the will, education, and intelligence to do so, yet is forced to listen to an underqualified coach tell him how his body is responding.

My question is whether liver problems are a symptom of overtraining? I’m not sure exactly what they said was specifically wrong with the blood work.

Thanks everyone.

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It’s hard to say…from my experience, over-training can cause some problems, but I’m not sure if it can cause something like a liver problem.

I think there’s going to be a lot more research in the future with regards to over-training syndrome. The reality is that the individual at some point has to recognize the signs. I find that I’m noticing the signs much earlier on, and I’m able to back off before some problems develope.

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Wisdom from the Barbarian brothers-
“There’s no such thing as overtraining- only undereating and undersleeping.”

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[quote]shogunassassin wrote:
Wisdom from the Barbarian brothers-
“There’s no such thing as overtraining- only undereating and undersleeping.”[/quote]

Wisdom from the Barbarian Brothers- Steroids will make overtraining much harder.

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I assume this is college sport, correct? Is there a team doctor or health care professional advising the sports program there?

I would have the doctor that he saw contact the team doctor and then hopefully the coach could be advised that there may be a real medical issue here. There are just a lot of unanswered questions here. Your roommate needs to find out exactly what is going on with his possible medical problems regarding his liver and then talk to the coach who will hopefully listen.

If he has real medical issues then it’s up to your roommate in the end if he wants to continue the training protocol required by the coach who is ignorant of medicine.

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thanks raw power.

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I’ve read that intense training can temporarily increase certain liver enzyme levels. I assume this doctor has taken that into account.

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[quote]benchaffleck wrote:
I’ve read that intense training can temporarily increase certain liver enzyme levels. I assume this doctor has taken that into account.[/quote]

These have more to do with steroid use and the effect on liver enzymes BUT they proves the above that training alone raises liver enzymes regardless of androgen use.

Phill

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If anyone is at risk of overtraining on this site its me. I work out for an hour, 6 days a week in the gym, and two hours everyday in the evening at my MMA school. I also run for a half an hour every morning, and stretch constantly throughout the day.

Im one to overtrain, believe me. When I overtrain, it feels like I cant even move in the morning. Its not like DOMS or a hangover, its like you have chains wrapped around your feet and neck and you cant take them off. Sometimes it feels like an electrical shock throughout my system, like im falling and hitting ground in a dream- that shocking motion. I often get flu or cold like symptoms, and no traditional medicine can overcome it, just a few nights in bed.

This is my personal experience with overtraining, I hope I can help.

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[quote]BluePfaltz wrote:
If anyone is at risk of overtraining on this site its me. I work out for an hour, 6 days a week in the gym, and two hours everyday in the evening at my MMA school. I also run for a half an hour every morning, and stretch constantly throughout the day.

Im one to overtrain, believe me. When I overtrain, it feels like I cant even move in the morning. Its not like DOMS or a hangover, its like you have chains wrapped around your feet and neck and you cant take them off. Sometimes it feels like an electrical shock throughout my system, like im falling and hitting ground in a dream- that shocking motion. I often get flu or cold like symptoms, and no traditional medicine can overcome it, just a few nights in bed.

This is my personal experience with overtraining, I hope I can help.[/quote]

That’s some program, hows it working for you?

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[quote]keaster wrote:
shogunassassin wrote:
Wisdom from the Barbarian brothers-
“There’s no such thing as overtraining- only undereating and undersleeping.”

Wisdom from the Barbarian Brothers- Steroids will make overtraining much harder.[/quote]

It’s true to an extent. It would be very difficult to overtrain if you could eat all day, sleep all night and do nothing but train with a reasonable program.

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[quote]Phill wrote:
benchaffleck wrote:
I’ve read that intense training can temporarily increase certain liver enzyme levels. I assume this doctor has taken that into account.

These have more to do with steroid use and the effect on liver enzymes BUT they proves the above that training alone raises liver enzymes regardless of androgen use.

Phill[/quote]

Thanks Phill.

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[quote]Testy1 wrote:

That’s some program, hows it working for you?[/quote]

Not to Hijack, but I have been making very stable gains. Why I do this to myself requires some understanding, and not to create the illusion that Im looking to look really hardcore.

Firstly, I listen to my body. I may train for an hour, but if my body says it’s had enough of something or a particular excercise, I cool it. I also never repeat the same workout in a day, in the same month. Some days its really intense, some days I smooth it and take extended rests.

Next, I pace myself. Its never necessary to give 100% all the time. I run first thing in the morning, after I stretch. I run at my pace, and challange myself in small increments, like baby steps. Then I’ll get home or go to a diner and eat well. If im on call for my trade job, I will relax a bit time my hour in the gym around that. I help instruct martial arts in the evening, so I have a good 9 to 10 hours between workouts. I eat well, and small 6 times a day and if im not hungry or really hungry, ill treat my body to what it feels it needs.

The most important aspect to all I do is to relax. If I cant relax for some reason, I know I will burnout real quick. I wont workout or excercise if I feel tension of some kind will interfere. Its not that im giving into the pressure, its just that at that time is not the right moment to “attack”, of you will. I might compensate for that workout at a later date, but never try to race to catch up to a missed goal or lesson. As you might know, im prone to panic attacks and so I need to accomodate that into all I do. I dont ever submit to my condition. I try to overcome it as best I can.

The reason, if I havent answered, why I work out like this is because if I need to get strong in a certain area quickly, I can always adjust for that. If I need to spend more time on the mat, then I will adjust for that as well. If I need to get more stamina, I will adjust my workouts for that too, giving all my concentration to what needs to be helped.

We train our strengths as well as our weaknesses. My schedual helps keep the discipline as well as the enthusiasm for my sport and all that I do. It helps keep me well rounded, and in the future, I dont think I will need to go 6 days a week. Maybe I’ll break it down. Thats fine by me, but for what Im doing it works for now. I just need to watch that I dont overtrain.

/end rant.

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Blue are your stats for real in your profile?

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[quote]BluePfaltz wrote:
If anyone is at risk of overtraining on this site its me. I work out for an hour, 6 days a week in the gym, and two hours everyday in the evening at my MMA school. I also run for a half an hour every morning, and stretch constantly throughout the day.

Im one to overtrain, believe me. When I overtrain, it feels like I cant even move in the morning. Its not like DOMS or a hangover, its like you have chains wrapped around your feet and neck and you cant take them off. Sometimes it feels like an electrical shock throughout my system, like im falling and hitting ground in a dream- that shocking motion. I often get flu or cold like symptoms, and no traditional medicine can overcome it, just a few nights in bed.

This is my personal experience with overtraining, I hope I can help.[/quote]

That’s definitely the best, when you feel electrical currents running through your body.

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[quote]Make1tRa1n wrote:
Blue are your stats for real in your profile?[/quote]

Hey man don’t point those things out on a guy who has mastered the art of intuitive training. When his intuition tells him he’s small and possibly fat, then he’ll just work to bring those weaknesses up. It’s all about listening to your body man. Geez, fuckin newbies.

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check out iron levels in the blood. On the NSCA performance journal ( check archives), there is an article about endurance athletes suffering from low iron? More commone than realized . There is some evidence that the repeated pounding on the roads impacts red blood cells.

What I use for my clients is a simple check of morning resting pulse. If your pulse is six beats above average then your system is telling you to rest. I got this from Bombpa’s book on Periodization and it is a fairly good indicator.

Hope this helps.

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I totally admit im a newbie.

Thats why Im on this site, to get better.

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[quote]Make1tRa1n wrote:
Blue are your stats for real in your profile?[/quote]

No, I havent updated those since I joined.

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[quote]Mr. Bear wrote:

That’s definitely the best, when you feel electrical currents running through your body. [/quote]

Like minor muscle spasms. I get them when Im sick and low in Iron and Magnesium.