[quote]five-twelve wrote:
Someone on this site once said, “I have never overtrained. I have under fed and under slept” Something like that…
I think that is a good statement.[/quote]
Like I said above, my whole point here is that the “overtraining” word seems to be a little overused here lately and I wanted to generate some good discussion about it in theory and in practice. Do I honestly think people overtrain? Probably. I have never experienced it and I don’t think very many of those who are so worried about here in their posts truly have either. But without taking an extreme position no one would have been open to the debate!
[quote]Jason B wrote:
Phill, my entery for Nebraska’s Strongest Man goes into the mail tomorrow morning so I will see you there in July!
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Good deal, seems I got so damn fired up for it I was th first entry LOL and now Im either signed for or have made a verbal promise for 4 total in four months the Nebraska which was to be my first will be the forth now LOL
You going to try and make any of the others in the area they just announced Kansas’s May 12th i think it is one In Missouri in June.
I… I… I can’t believe it. A real thread with a discussion about a training topic that has not been derailed by name calling or trolling! Ye gods be praised!
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Isn’t it fun and refreshing. Though, I think That One Guy wanted to call me a few names last night…LOL
I completely agree with the sentiment that most trainees do not train with sufficient effort and frequency to warrant true Overtraining status!
People throw that expression around far too frequently and with little qualification. Too many variable can account for lacklustre feeling /fatigue. I think its a fair assumption that people do ‘achive’ an over-reached state however.
Put it simply if missing the odd session or deloading for a week alleviates the symptoms chances are that individual wasnt overtrained in the first place.
For the last month and a half I have been attempting to slowly bring myself to a state of overtraining, simply to learn more about it and what it really is. I personally define overtraining as when you stop making gains, or start to actually have to take weight off the bar (due to reasons other than a normal plateau).
I have worked up to 240 working sets (8.7 hours) per week at an average of 74% 1rm for most lifts. I have data that suggest many if not most muscle groups have done better (even if only slightly) then my average 90 sets per week 80%+ 1rm. Although a few muscle groups show slower progression with this frequency. This was done on a calorie deficit, no supplements, and 65-72 hours of sleep per week.
I have also found during this period that my endurance levels have increased at the same rate with only half the cardio I normally do. After making this data for myself, I have learned that overtraing is a gray area where the outcome is more diminished results then a regression in physical fitness.
By this logic the most beneficial training would be to determine where the top of the diminished returns bell curve is and train there. I plan to keep refining my routine until I am doing just that, only on a 4k-5k calorie diet and see what the results are.
I… I… I can’t believe it. A real thread with a discussion about a training topic that has not been derailed by name calling or trolling! Ye gods be praised!
Isn’t it fun and refreshing. Though, I think That One Guy wanted to call me a few names last night…LOL
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I think he means me, but it would take quite a bit more than this to push me to name calling. If you did mean me I honestly never even got mildly perturbed with you chief.
The question is, is there or is there not such a thing as overtraining which is another way of asking if there are any limits to how much, what kind and how often one can train with weights before they damage their health in a variety of possible ways.
If not then every person who has ever touched a barbell has been and or is undertraining. If so then overtraining exists. In whom, under what levels of stress and how often are entirely different questions than “is there such a thing?”.
I… I… I can’t believe it. A real thread with a discussion about a training topic that has not been derailed by name calling or trolling! Ye gods be praised!
Isn’t it fun and refreshing. Though, I think That One Guy wanted to call me a few names last night…LOL
I think he means me, but it would take quite a bit more than this to push me to name calling. If you did mean me I honestly never even got mildly perturbed with you chief.
The question is, is there or is there not such a thing as overtraining which is another way of asking if there are any limits to how much, what kind and how often one can train with weights before they damage their health in a variety of possible ways.
If not then every person who has ever touched a barbell has been and or is undertraining. If so then overtraining exists. In whom, under what levels of stress and how often are entirely different questions than “is there such a thing?”. [/quote]
No he meant me, hence my name.(i don’t think i used hence right-
I believe that the human body has limits. Everything wears out. What I believe is that most people worry about overtraining when they could fix it simply by recovering correctly, whereas others worry about overtraining more as an excuse to not work as hard when they are nowhere near overtraining.
[quote]That One Guy wrote:
tveddy wrote:
I don’t believe in overtraining, just poor eating and sleeping habits.
I don’t think that we (anybody) KNOW enough about the nervous system yet in order to give this argument an answer that will just shut the door and end the argument once and for all. I mean the nervous system is this larger, uber complicated entity that us mankind do not fully understand. yet is just seems irrational to think that there are no limits to the human body.
I suggest that once a day somebody bumps up this topic and in twenty years we come back to it and hopefully we know more about this subject to finally end the argument of overtraining. Hey if we bump it long enough, in twenty years the authors of the site will notice it and know enough to enter this thread and give us the answer.[/quote]