I think a lot of Olympic caliber gymnasts train for 6-8 hours a day most every day of the year. I never hear them complaining about being overtrained…It is an excuse…Sometimes it actually takes many, many months to add even 5 pounds to a big lift after years of training, or to gain 5 pounds of muscle…some might think they are overtrained because gains plateau or stop or reverse temporarily, but what they may not understand is that it just takes longer as you go and if you just keep pushing it will work itself out…
[quote]Professor X wrote:
on edge wrote:
MODOK wrote:
on edge wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Who the fuck is saying the concept does not exist?
You and Modok are practically saying it by giving ridiculous examples of what might be overtraining when there are plenty of real life examples and some people reading this thread may need to know that overtraining is something to be conscious of, and not something that can only happen with ridiculous training scenarios.
And, Modok, Yes a healthy, well put together newb can tear a pec with 135. If the pec cramps on a fast eccentric. It can happen, easily.
Where are the bodies? If anyone reading this thread has torn a pec with 135 lbs… PLEASE SPEAK UP. It can EASILY HAPPEN, according to on edge. Please speak up so he can be vindicated.
Overtraining is VERY overstated. People place false limits on their potential by misconstruing symptoms of fatigue for overtraining. Its mostly done by people who don’t pay enough attention to recovery in the first place.
How do you explain athletes training 20-30 hours a week? They do it all the time, and get stronger. Olympians? Obviously they aren’t overtraining, despite tremendous volume. Explain that…and don’t say its their genetics. If they can handle 30 hours of training a week, your telling me you can’t handle 5 hours of training and a few sets of squats and deadlifts a couple times a week? Please.
Where the heck did you come up with that? I actually train about 5 hours a week and I Squat & Deadlift. Regarding athletes, a lot of what they do in training for their sport is not all that demanding. Serious speed and strength training will just be a portion of their overall training. They’ve also built up training capacity over time.
Btw, when I was 19 or 20 I tore my pec with what was probably only around 185.
Then you suck. Sorry. There is no other way to put it. I don’t know many people that weak and I am very glad I wasn’t.
Maybe you have osteogenesis imperfecta?
An injury like that is either because of simply ridiculous form…or the result of a person with the weakest genetics in the country lifting weights.[/quote]
WTF! I said I tore my pec, I didn’t say I broke a bone. I knew you to be one who only puts thought into supporting the beliefs you already have, but I didn’t think you were down right stupid. Also, that’s pretty pathetic resorting to put downs when your loosing an argument. Hey, if you ever come through Spokane look me up. Lets get together and see if you can beat me at anything other than upperbody weightlifting. I bet I can even throw a shot put further than you.
[quote]on edge wrote:
WTF! I said I tore my pec, I didn’t say I broke a bone. I knew you to be one who only puts thought into supporting the beliefs you already have, but I didn’t think you were down right stupid. Also, that’s pretty pathetic resorting to put downs when your loosing an argument. Hey, if you ever come through Spokane look me up. Lets get together and see if you can beat me at anything other than upperbody weightlifting. I bet I can even throw a shot put further than you.
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LOL. Reading your post only brings the word “brittle” to mind, thus the connection with the disease. It might be a bad joke, but I was amused anyway. It wasn’t a put down. If you tear a pec using the weight you listed, your form is either the worst in all of the states surrounding you or you did something really dumb…like lay around in sub-freezing weather for a few hours before running into the gym and jumping under the bar while naked.
LOL @ “losing the argument”…the one where you tell me I don’t think overtraining exists when I already stated it does exist but is rare.
Yeah…you won that one.
LOL!!!
[quote]MODOK wrote:
on edge wrote:
MODOK wrote:
on edge wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Who the fuck is saying the concept does not exist?
You and Modok are practically saying it by giving ridiculous examples of what might be overtraining when there are plenty of real life examples and some people reading this thread may need to know that overtraining is something to be conscious of, and not something that can only happen with ridiculous training scenarios.
And, Modok, Yes a healthy, well put together newb can tear a pec with 135. If the pec cramps on a fast eccentric. It can happen, easily.
Where are the bodies? If anyone reading this thread has torn a pec with 135 lbs… PLEASE SPEAK UP. It can EASILY HAPPEN, according to on edge. Please speak up so he can be vindicated.
Overtraining is VERY overstated. People place false limits on their potential by misconstruing symptoms of fatigue for overtraining. Its mostly done by people who don’t pay enough attention to recovery in the first place.
How do you explain athletes training 20-30 hours a week? They do it all the time, and get stronger. Olympians? Obviously they aren’t overtraining, despite tremendous volume. Explain that…and don’t say its their genetics. If they can handle 30 hours of training a week, your telling me you can’t handle 5 hours of training and a few sets of squats and deadlifts a couple times a week? Please.
Where the heck did you come up with that? I actually train about 5 hours a week and I Squat & Deadlift. Regarding athletes, a lot of what they do in training for their sport is not all that demanding. Serious speed and strength training will just be a portion of their overall training. They’ve also built up training capacity over time.
Btw, when I was 19 or 20 I tore my pec with what was probably only around 185.
Not all that demanding, huh? Ok…whatever you say. Maybe table tennis, but not track and field, oly lifting, etc.
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I was a college track athlete, I know how much time they spend actually busting their ass. It’s not even close to 20-30 hours a week. Sprinters joke they spend more time warming up then actually training. In the summers I played on a summer league baseball team with all college players. They spent even less time busting their ass then track athletes.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
on edge wrote:
WTF! I said I tore my pec, I didn’t say I broke a bone. I knew you to be one who only puts thought into supporting the beliefs you already have, but I didn’t think you were down right stupid. Also, that’s pretty pathetic resorting to put downs when your loosing an argument. Hey, if you ever come through Spokane look me up. Lets get together and see if you can beat me at anything other than upperbody weightlifting. I bet I can even throw a shot put further than you.
LOL. Reading your post only brings the word “brittle” to mind, thus the connection with the disease. It might be a bad joke, but I was amused anyway. It wasn’t a put down. If you tear a pec using the weight you listed, your form is either the worst in all of the states surrounding you or you did something really dumb…like lay around in sub-freezing weather for a few hours before running into the gym and jumping under the bar while naked.
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Form and weather wasn’t the problem. The problem was I was young, uneducated and very compulsive. It’s a combo that led me to overtraining. Muscles were highly fatigued leading to a cramp at the wrong time.
[quote]on edge wrote:
Professor X wrote:
on edge wrote:
WTF! I said I tore my pec, I didn’t say I broke a bone. I knew you to be one who only puts thought into supporting the beliefs you already have, but I didn’t think you were down right stupid. Also, that’s pretty pathetic resorting to put downs when your loosing an argument. Hey, if you ever come through Spokane look me up. Lets get together and see if you can beat me at anything other than upperbody weightlifting. I bet I can even throw a shot put further than you.
LOL. Reading your post only brings the word “brittle” to mind, thus the connection with the disease. It might be a bad joke, but I was amused anyway. It wasn’t a put down. If you tear a pec using the weight you listed, your form is either the worst in all of the states surrounding you or you did something really dumb…like lay around in sub-freezing weather for a few hours before running into the gym and jumping under the bar while naked.
Form and weather wasn’t the problem. The problem was I was young, uneducated and very compulsive. It’s a combo that led me to overtraining. Muscles were highly fatigued leading to a cramp at the wrong time.[/quote]
See, we don’t call that “overtraining”…because if the muscle was still extremely sore and cramping yet you trained anyway, that is called “BEING DUMB AND NOT LISTENINg TO YOU OWN BODY AT ALL”.
Every stupid act does not deserve the title of “overtraining”. There is a difference between “muscle fatigue” and the chronic SYSTEMIC EFFECT of overtraining.
You are the one trying to make this word fit every possible affliction in the gym and that makes no sense. Overtraining has always been a systemic issue not confined to just one or two muscle groups.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
on edge wrote:
Professor X wrote:
on edge wrote:
WTF! I said I tore my pec, I didn’t say I broke a bone. I knew you to be one who only puts thought into supporting the beliefs you already have, but I didn’t think you were down right stupid. Also, that’s pretty pathetic resorting to put downs when your loosing an argument. Hey, if you ever come through Spokane look me up. Lets get together and see if you can beat me at anything other than upperbody weightlifting. I bet I can even throw a shot put further than you.
LOL. Reading your post only brings the word “brittle” to mind, thus the connection with the disease. It might be a bad joke, but I was amused anyway. It wasn’t a put down. If you tear a pec using the weight you listed, your form is either the worst in all of the states surrounding you or you did something really dumb…like lay around in sub-freezing weather for a few hours before running into the gym and jumping under the bar while naked.
Form and weather wasn’t the problem. The problem was I was young, uneducated and very compulsive. It’s a combo that led me to overtraining. Muscles were highly fatigued leading to a cramp at the wrong time.
See, we don’t call that “overtraining”…because if the muscle was still extremely sore and cramping yet you trained anyway, that is called “BEING DUMB AND NOT LISTENINg TO YOU OWN BODY AT ALL”.
Every stupid act does not deserve the title of “overtraining”. There is a difference between “muscle fatigue” and the chronic SYSTEMIC EFFECT of overtraining.
You are the one trying to make this word fit every possible affliction in the gym and that makes no sense. Overtraining has always been a systemic issue not confined to just one or two muscle groups.[/quote]
I addressed that earlier. It’s a Mell Siff definition. Why should we limit the scope of the term based on what one guy said?
[quote]on edge wrote:
Professor X wrote:
on edge wrote:
Professor X wrote:
on edge wrote:
WTF! I said I tore my pec, I didn’t say I broke a bone. I knew you to be one who only puts thought into supporting the beliefs you already have, but I didn’t think you were down right stupid. Also, that’s pretty pathetic resorting to put downs when your loosing an argument. Hey, if you ever come through Spokane look me up. Lets get together and see if you can beat me at anything other than upperbody weightlifting. I bet I can even throw a shot put further than you.
LOL. Reading your post only brings the word “brittle” to mind, thus the connection with the disease. It might be a bad joke, but I was amused anyway. It wasn’t a put down. If you tear a pec using the weight you listed, your form is either the worst in all of the states surrounding you or you did something really dumb…like lay around in sub-freezing weather for a few hours before running into the gym and jumping under the bar while naked.
Form and weather wasn’t the problem. The problem was I was young, uneducated and very compulsive. It’s a combo that led me to overtraining. Muscles were highly fatigued leading to a cramp at the wrong time.
See, we don’t call that “overtraining”…because if the muscle was still extremely sore and cramping yet you trained anyway, that is called “BEING DUMB AND NOT LISTENINg TO YOU OWN BODY AT ALL”.
Every stupid act does not deserve the title of “overtraining”. There is a difference between “muscle fatigue” and the chronic SYSTEMIC EFFECT of overtraining.
You are the one trying to make this word fit every possible affliction in the gym and that makes no sense. Overtraining has always been a systemic issue not confined to just one or two muscle groups.
I addressed that earlier. It’s a Mell Siff definition. Why should we limit the scope of the term based on what one guy said?[/quote]
I haven’t even heard of Mell Siff so who gives a shit what he says? Mell didn’t create the fucking term.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
See, we don’t call that “overtraining”…because if the muscle was still extremely sore and cramping yet you trained anyway, that is called “BEING DUMB AND NOT LISTENINg TO YOU OWN BODY AT ALL”.
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I lol’d.
[quote]MODOK wrote:
on edge wrote:
MODOK wrote:
on edge wrote:
MODOK wrote:
on edge wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Who the fuck is saying the concept does not exist?
You and Modok are practically saying it by giving ridiculous examples of what might be overtraining when there are plenty of real life examples and some people reading this thread may need to know that overtraining is something to be conscious of, and not something that can only happen with ridiculous training scenarios.
And, Modok, Yes a healthy, well put together newb can tear a pec with 135. If the pec cramps on a fast eccentric. It can happen, easily.
Where are the bodies? If anyone reading this thread has torn a pec with 135 lbs… PLEASE SPEAK UP. It can EASILY HAPPEN, according to on edge. Please speak up so he can be vindicated.
Overtraining is VERY overstated. People place false limits on their potential by misconstruing symptoms of fatigue for overtraining. Its mostly done by people who don’t pay enough attention to recovery in the first place.
How do you explain athletes training 20-30 hours a week? They do it all the time, and get stronger. Olympians? Obviously they aren’t overtraining, despite tremendous volume. Explain that…and don’t say its their genetics. If they can handle 30 hours of training a week, your telling me you can’t handle 5 hours of training and a few sets of squats and deadlifts a couple times a week? Please.
Where the heck did you come up with that? I actually train about 5 hours a week and I Squat & Deadlift. Regarding athletes, a lot of what they do in training for their sport is not all that demanding. Serious speed and strength training will just be a portion of their overall training. They’ve also built up training capacity over time.
Btw, when I was 19 or 20 I tore my pec with what was probably only around 185.
Not all that demanding, huh? Ok…whatever you say. Maybe table tennis, but not track and field, oly lifting, etc.
I was a college track athlete, I know how much time they spend actually busting their ass. It’s not even close to 20-30 hours a week. Sprinters joke they spend more time warming up then actually training. In the summers I played on a summer league baseball team with all college players. They spent even less time busting their ass then track athletes.
You were a college track athlete, yet couldn’t handle around a bodyweight bench press without it ripping you in half? Which college gave you a scholarship? I’m going to send my 7 year old nephew over to break every track record at the school. [/quote]
You would be showing how naive you are but it’s more obvious you are trying to deflect from my point that you have no answer for, being that athletes who spend 20 to 30 hours a week training are only doing intense activities for a quarter or a third of that time.
Regarding your wise-crack, I didn’t have a scholarship, but as a 16 foot pole vaulter I was good enough to win a couple Division 1 meets and good enough to score points at conference. In JC I was good enough to sprint, hurdle, tripple and I won the vault almost every time.
The weight in bench vs your strength isn’t the key thing. The key thing is what’s happening with your body. A sprinter can tear a hamstring with just the weight of his lower leg. By the way, and I know this isn’t strong, but for the sake of putting it out there, I’ve benched 265 and I could probably press around 240 when I hurt it.
Its all getting very childish in here all of a sudden
Good effective training, without over OR under-training, requires a balance between stressing the body enough to force it to adapt to that stress, and giving it the rest / nourishment it needs in order to do so. In the real world, BOTH sides of that equation require fine-tuning. If I am getting 6 hours of sleep per night, eating 3 meals a day when I can, more if I have time, less when I simply canâ??t, and that is the best that I can do given my lifestyle, then how much are you really helping me by coming on here and telling me that overtraining is not the problem?
I have been weight-training for 25 years, have made great progress at times, stalled at others, took time off when I had to, trained for years straight, 4,5, and 6 times a week / 2 hours per day, without ever feeling over-trained (when I was in my teens and early 20â??s). But at other times I trained 3 times per week for an hour and yet felt overrun, fatigued, and beaten up, the latter coming in my 30â??s, when I started my own business, had to travel all around the country, work 16 hour days, eating stress for breakfast.
Hereâ??s the real answer. You absolutely might be overtraining! Ask yourself this first. Are you not getting enough sleep because you have an online poker addiction? Are you not eating enough because you wake up in the morning and are just too lazy to eat breakfast for a few hours? Do you wait to eat lunch until your stomach is digesting itself? When you do eat, are potato chips, fast food, and soda your nourishment of choice? If yes, then you might want to throw out the notion that you are overtraining, and fix your rest / eating habits first.
But if you are DOING THE BEST YOU CAN with sleep, eating good food every chance you get, yet your training is leaving you feeling run down and fatigued, and youâ??re not ready to give up your career, family, house and car, then CHANGE YOUR TRAINING!!! YOU ARE OVER-TRAINING. Yes, of course if you COULD get all the rest you desired, and COULD eat all day long, then your body would probably handle your current lifting parameters. But if the rest / nourishment side of the equation cannot feasibly improve, then the training side of the equation is where the problem lies.
I recently finished playing collegiate lacrosse and training everyday came with the territory. I do agree, that anybody who has been training for a decent amount of time, or was born with a good set of genes, has no need to take a week or two off, it’s just way to much time.
I do know though, from personal experience, that over-training in the sense of lifting consecutive days without rest is very real and definitely does hurt progress. A couple months ago I was lifting 7 days a week, and thought that an interval day paired with abs could be considered an off day. I was wrong and it hurt my gains. Take a day off completely every two or three days, meaning nothing except maybe stretching, and you will be happy with the results that follow.
Like all the articles and people worth listening to say here, muscle destruction happens in the gym, but muscle reconstruction happens on the off days (along with proper nutrition), and without that your not going to get anywhere.
Seems to me the problem with this discussion is really about the definition of overtraining. People who argue it doesn’t exist really mean that you cannot overtrain or 'work out too much" as long as you’re doing everything else right , ie. eat and rest. Overtraining does not mean “training too much” , it means : training too much compared to your rate of recovery which is influenced by diet, stress , mental state ,etc".
I mean everybody can agree that if they eat 1600 kcal/day , sleep couple of hours a night and lift insane amounts , they will eventually feel overtrained and if they continue nevertheless will develop overtraining syndrome.
Overtraining is more of a nervous and hormonal system breakdown than a muscular problem per se and there’s evidence that everyday stress , stimulants , etc also deplete that system significantly. Which is why people can have nervous breakdowns and cortisol for blood just by working in an office without ever lifting a weight. It all works on the same system as your lifts do. So its not surprising that some people are more susceptible to overtraining even if they do everything or most stuff right. Maybe your life is not as stressful as another person. Try a wall street trader’s job… Or maybe you’re sort of person who really is affected by stress genetically. Maybe you really need more than 8 hour sleep genetically , but you’re a man not a little girl so you condition yourself that 6 hours is enough. There’s too much difference for any asshole to get all arrogant and say overtraining is a load of bull.
Also professional athletes do regularly overtrain , because they can’t just stuff their face with calories like lifters, they have weight and body composition restrictions to keep in check. It’s a fine line and an eager and motivated athlete will easily cross that line without noticing it.
Anyway I have developed overtraining syndrome. It’s real and it sucks and it was all my fucking fault. I’m the idiot, no contest here. I haven’t hit the gym in two weeks and I’m still suffering headaches , sleepless nights , muscle aches. I can’t even go for a swim without my heart racing like a rabbit’s. Reason is that I tried a low carb diet while cutting as an experiment in July which I probably did badly and I didn’t take it easy on the weight while doing it. In August I added 10 mountain bike workouts per week as well. My quads just didn’t get any time to recover even though I was eating properly in August. Two weeks ago it hit me and I couldn’t lift anything.
I’ve got an endurance event next week friday too. Anyway , lessons learned and hopefully I didn’t do to much damage and fix myself up for my event.
[quote]maxm007 wrote:
Seems to me the problem with this discussion is really about the definition of overtraining. People who argue it doesn’t exist really mean that you cannot overtrain or 'work out too much" as long as you’re doing everything else right , ie. eat and rest. Overtraining does not mean “training too much” , it means : training too much compared to your rate of recovery which is influenced by diet, stress , mental state ,etc".
I mean everybody can agree that if they eat 1600 kcal/day , sleep couple of hours a night and lift insane amounts , they will eventually feel overtrained and if they continue nevertheless will develop overtraining syndrome.
Overtraining is more of a nervous and hormonal system breakdown than a muscular problem per se and there’s evidence that everyday stress , stimulants , etc also deplete that system significantly. Which is why people can have nervous breakdowns and cortisol for blood just by working in an office without ever lifting a weight. It all works on the same system as your lifts do. So its not surprising that some people are more susceptible to overtraining even if they do everything or most stuff right. Maybe your life is not as stressful as another person. Try a wall street trader’s job… Or maybe you’re sort of person who really is affected by stress genetically. Maybe you really need more than 8 hour sleep genetically , but you’re a man not a little girl so you condition yourself that 6 hours is enough. There’s too much difference for any asshole to get all arrogant and say overtraining is a load of bull.
Also professional athletes do regularly overtrain , because they can’t just stuff their face with calories like lifters, they have weight and body composition restrictions to keep in check. It’s a fine line and an eager and motivated athlete will easily cross that line without noticing it.
Anyway I have developed overtraining syndrome. It’s real and it sucks and it was all my fucking fault. I’m the idiot, no contest here. I haven’t hit the gym in two weeks and I’m still suffering headaches , sleepless nights , muscle aches. I can’t even go for a swim without my heart racing like a rabbit’s. Reason is that I tried a low carb diet while cutting as an experiment in July which I probably did badly and I didn’t take it easy on the weight while doing it. In August I added 10 mountain bike workouts per week as well. My quads just didn’t get any time to recover even though I was eating properly in August. Two weeks ago it hit me and I couldn’t lift anything.
I’ve got an endurance event next week friday too. Anyway , lessons learned and hopefully I didn’t do to much damage and fix myself up for my event.
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Yeah, the problem is that… Oh fuck it!!!
I was a para-rescue swimmer in Desert Storm. I was stationed on a ship of the coast of Bhagdad to rescue pilots that were shot down.
I was intentionaly “overtrained” for a month before I deployed. They pushed me to the limits for my safety as well as the pilots that I was there to rescue.
I know what overtraining is and I know how hard people can be pushed before they are done.
I was forced to perform until I couldn’t. Every FUCKING day… Again and Again.
I’m not saying that this is normal or should be what people strive for, but I can’t believe that there are so many people who “work out” for an hour a day and know what overtraining feels like.
Dunno mate. I haven’t ever gone through the kind of training you’re describing , but I do know I have overtraining syndrome because I’m sane, I can feel it , its killing me I can’t get to the gym , might miss my competition next week and really it’s affecting my job performance as well. Maybe if I quit my job and family life and go through similar training as yourself , I might do it without problems or maybe I would get problems and I’m just inherently weaker. Fuck knows. What I do know is that ,for me anyways, it’s not a problem of willpower in terms of putting in the work .
maxm007 wrote:
“I haven’t hit the gym in two weeks and I’m still suffering headaches , sleepless nights , muscle aches. I can’t even go for a swim without my heart racing like a rabbit’s. Reason is that I tried a low carb diet while cutting as an experiment in July which I probably did badly and I didn’t take it easy on the weight while doing it.”
HMMMMMMMMMM???
This isn’t overtraining. I don’t know what this is???
If you are serious and not a troll then you need to see a doctor or eat right or sleep or something or WTF??
You haven’t trained in two weeks and you are overtrained??? A low carb diet made you “overtrained”??
I am so fucking glad that there wasn’t and internet was I was younger and I learned the things I know by trail and error, not from a forum post.
I really think that you younger guys think too fucking much.
[quote]maxm007 wrote:
Yeah, the problem is that… Oh fuck it!!!
I was a para-rescue swimmer in Desert Storm. I was stationed on a ship of the coast of Bhagdad to rescue pilots that were shot down.
I was intentionaly “overtrained” for a month before I deployed. They pushed me to the limits for my safety as well as the pilots that I was there to rescue.
I know what overtraining is and I know how hard people can be pushed before they are done.
I was forced to perform until I couldn’t. Every FUCKING day… Again and Again.
I’m not saying that this is normal or should be what people strive for, but I can’t believe that there are so many people who “work out” for and hour a day and know what overtraining feels like.
Dunno mate. I haven’t ever gone through the kind of training you’re describing , but I do know I have overtraining syndrome because I’m sane, I can feel it , its killing me I can’t get to the gym , might miss my competition next week and really it’s affecting my job performance as well. Maybe if I quit my job and family life and go through similar training as yourself , I might do it without problems or maybe I would get problems and I’m just inherently weaker. Fuck knows. What I do know is that ,for me anyways, it’s not a problem of willpower in terms of putting in the work .
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Everyone isn’t made the same. Some people are just innately weaker in how they recover and in how much stress they can deal with. Rangers in the military need to be able to withstand intense conditions that most people crack under…Marines as well. I would guess that most people don’t have that ability in them to even be one of those…but the ones that do are not so rare.
I do wonder how someone with a weaker ability to recover is good enough to be in any sort of competition, but then you did say it was your fault you are in this condition so no one really knows what happened in your “training”.
I will say that people who are extremely weak in how quickly they recover or how they deal with stress will be least likely to stand out much in the gym. Those who do stand out are generally able to handle more stress than average without full system failure.
My personal opinion is that we are weaker as a species lately due to way too much convenience. Our ancestors were working in fields all day long and they couldn’t complain about it…yet all of a sudden every other poster here is so frail they “overtrain” by simply going to the gym 4 days a week for an hour.
I seriously doubt most of the people here are really working that hard which means what they are calling “overtraining” is really their own misguided attempt to walk around eating nothing (for hawt abs) while doing some full body routine every training session that never allows them to stop and focus on any one muscle group for any length of time.
[quote]MickD wrote:
maxm007 wrote:
“I haven’t hit the gym in two weeks and I’m still suffering headaches , sleepless nights , muscle aches. I can’t even go for a swim without my heart racing like a rabbit’s. Reason is that I tried a low carb diet while cutting as an experiment in July which I probably did badly and I didn’t take it easy on the weight while doing it.”
HMMMMMMMMMM???
This isn’t overtraining. I don’t know what this is???
If you are serious and not a troll then you need to see a doctor or eat right or sleep or something or WTF??
You haven’t trained in two weeks and you are overtrained??? A low carb diet made you “overtrained”??
I am so fucking glad that there wasn’t and internet was I was younger and I learned the things I know by trail and error, not from a forum post.
I really think that you younger guys think too fucking much.
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Agreed. If after two weeks you still feel “overtrained” (whatever that means exactly), then you must have some disease. People don’t act like that after Basic training.
[quote]MickD wrote:
maxm007 wrote:
“I haven’t hit the gym in two weeks and I’m still suffering headaches , sleepless nights , muscle aches. I can’t even go for a swim without my heart racing like a rabbit’s. Reason is that I tried a low carb diet while cutting as an experiment in July which I probably did badly and I didn’t take it easy on the weight while doing it.”
HMMMMMMMMMM???
This isn’t overtraining. I don’t know what this is???
If you are serious and not a troll then you need to see a doctor or eat right or sleep or something or WTF??
You haven’t trained in two weeks and you are overtrained??? A low carb diet made you “overtrained”??
I am so fucking glad that there wasn’t and internet was I was younger and I learned the things I know by trail and error, not from a forum post.
I really think that you younger guys think to fucking much.
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You should research ‘overtraining syndrome’ mate. It’s a condition which can last for weeks or months and if ignored can lead to permanent damage to your performance. You get to that stage if you continue training while you’re in a overtrained state.
"Total recovery can take several weeks and includes proper nutrition and stress reduction. "
“It is a particular problem for bodybuilders and other dieters who engage in intense exercise while limiting their food intake”
“If prompt attention is not given to the developing state, and an athlete continues to train and accumulate fatigue, the condition may come to persist for many weeks or even months”
A low carb cutting diet like atkins (<30g carb) can get you overtrained as you do not have the proper nutrition to reoover.