[quote]countingbeans wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
I take 800mg-1g of caffeine before I train and I don’t have any issues.
What about the rest of the day?
I also assume you worked your way up to that much? [/quote]
Nothing, I just take much 30 mins before I get to the gym.
Yah it took me a day before I went that high 
lol
[quote]Professor X wrote:
trav123456 wrote:
GluteusGigantis wrote:
Physiological Overtraining; overused term. I always like what a cycling coach taught me years ago, get a baseline resting heart rate when you’re good and healthy, if you’re not feeling right keep an eye on that, if it is elevated over 10bpm you’ve got issues otherwise suck it up and get into it.
I’ve never heard of that before, is it a blood pressure thing? Does this happen to endurance athletes alot?
Did he really just say that anything above 10 beats per minute indicates a problem?
Where are these people getting this amazing medical education?[/quote]
I think he meant 10bpm over the standard resting HR.
At least I really hope so.
Imagine the size of that lub dub trying to perfuse the whole body once every 6 seconds?
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
I take 800mg-1g of caffeine before I train and I don’t have any issues.
What about the rest of the day?
I also assume you worked your way up to that much?
Nothing, I just take much 30 mins before I get to the gym.
Yah it took me a day before I went that high lol[/quote]
That is about 8 cups of coffee in one sitting. Do you ever get heart palpatations? I think that would send me to the ER. I generally do about 200mg before working out and on non-workout days I have splitting headaches!
I take 2 HRE before working out, can’t recall how much caffeine is in a tab though.
I drink black coffee.
Back in the day though I used Ultimate Orange, you guys remember that shit? Nothin made me look like I needed TP for my Bunghole more than Ultimate Orange.
[quote]BradTGIF wrote:
I drink black coffee.
Back in the day though I used Ultimate Orange, you guys remember that shit? Nothin made me look like I needed TP for my Bunghole more than Ultimate Orange.[/quote]
I forgot about that shit. I hadn’t used a workout drink since then (which was like…ten fucking years ago or more) until I tried Surge.
[quote]MODOK wrote:
Damn you guys make anything complicated. I’m gonna break it down to the Cliff Notes…
Newbs- You can’t overtrain. Your not strong enough yet. Just keep working out.
Vets- You already know if your doing to much because you are a vet, and know your body better than anything else on earth. If you suspect training is causing problems, you already know how to rest/adjust/fix it.
There is no scientific “overtraining” syndrome. There is only the biological feedback that YOU get from YOUR body. If you are beat to hell, can’t sleep, aren’t increasing your bodyweight of lifts, I’m sure you have sense enough to figure things out. The vets have all went through their learning curves and understand THEIR bodies. None of this stuff is transferable because everyone’s physiology, training, lifestyles are as different as the DNA code. Learn to listen to your body…REALLY listen. [/quote]
I’m good with that. Nicely done.
/thread
[quote]trav123456 wrote:
GluteusGigantis wrote:
Physiological Overtraining; overused term. I always like what a cycling coach taught me years ago, get a baseline resting heart rate when you’re good and healthy, if you’re not feeling right keep an eye on that, if it is elevated over 10bpm you’ve got issues otherwise suck it up and get into it.
I’ve never heard of that before, is it a blood pressure thing? Does this happen to endurance athletes alot?[/quote]
It’s actually a prominent idea in endurance sports. I remember reading an article about one of our (America’s) Olympic triathletes about a year ago who bases all of his training intensity off of heart rate alone. He basically wears a heart rate monitor all hours of the day, including during the night (which is also a great way to determine your true resting heart rate).
However, I don’t think he ever took a day off training.
I never tried Ultimate Orange but I remember the adds for it. I have only tried Black Powder and NaNo Vapor. NaNo Vapor tastes very good and gives a better rush, but Black Powder seemed to make me stronger and warm up the quickest.
[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:
I never tried Ultimate Orange but I remember the adds for it. I have only tried Black Powder and NaNo Vapor. NaNo Vapor tastes very good and gives a better rush, but Black Powder seemed to make me stronger and warm up the quickest.[/quote]
Ultimate Orange had to have had cocaine in it. That shit was like rocket fuel for a workout. It didn’t surprise me it got banned.
[quote]BradTGIF wrote:
I think he meant 10bpm over the standard resting HR.
At least I really hope so.
Imagine the size of that lub dub trying to perfuse the whole body once every 6 seconds?
[/quote]
LOL, that would be funny a heart rate of 10bpm.
Nah, you’re right, I’m referring to guys who have these steady as clockwork resting HRs of 40/45bpm, then they wake up a few mornings in a row around the 60bpm mark…again, only a rule of thumb I’ve seen used and work in endurance based athletes. Never seen or needed to use this with a resistance training population, like I said, and Modok put really well, overused term.
[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
I take 800mg-1g of caffeine before I train and I don’t have any issues.
What about the rest of the day?
I also assume you worked your way up to that much?
Nothing, I just take much 30 mins before I get to the gym.
Yah it took me a day before I went that high lol
That is about 8 cups of coffee in one sitting. Do you ever get heart palpatations? I think that would send me to the ER. I generally do about 200mg before working out and on non-workout days I have splitting headaches![/quote]
haha nope.
Remember I’m 285, so I need a larger dose right off the bat.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
MytchBucanan wrote:
I never tried Ultimate Orange but I remember the adds for it. I have only tried Black Powder and NaNo Vapor. NaNo Vapor tastes very good and gives a better rush, but Black Powder seemed to make me stronger and warm up the quickest.
Ultimate Orange had to have had cocaine in it. That shit was like rocket fuel for a workout. It didn’t surprise me it got banned.[/quote]
I was in Japan when it got banned in the US, thankfully the Marine Corps exchange still had it and didn’t take it off the shelves. We bought them out.
Yeah I remember taking that stuff and thinking. “Man this can’t be legal…”
Man, that was some strong stuff. I took a double hit one time before a group of friends and I went to Cedar Point. I was so jacked I almost ran to the next roller coaster and felt like I was having a heart attack on the rides themselves. Strong stuff indeed. Tasted good too.
[quote]MODOK wrote:
BradTGIF wrote:
I drink black coffee.
Back in the day though I used Ultimate Orange, you guys remember that shit? Nothin made me look like I needed TP for my Bunghole more than Ultimate Orange.
Ultimate Orange was by FAR the most whacked out shit I’ve ever put in my body. I felt like I could literally rip the bar in half. Taking a hit of crack couldn’t be much more intense. Of course, it worked…so it was outlawed.[/quote]
I believe that most people who think that they are over-trained, are suffering from poor nutrition and lack of intelligence about recovery. This spring I did the smolov squat cycle, it added about 50 lbs overall to my max. By the middle of the cycle I literally felt like I was going to die, I thought that I had overtrained when so many had success, why was I different. The answer was shitty nutrition. I live in a frat house, so if eat normally that means that I mainly eat fat and carbs. I took a step back and looked at my diet, I immediately went to Aldi and cleared out the chix breasts, and brown rice. I ate at least 10 large pieces of chicken and 4 boxes of brown rice, as well as 20g of fish oil and raided my roommate’s ZMA, gatorade and ramen noodles and slept the rest of the day. When I awoke the next day I was so pumped and felt so good that I wanted to go and just lift all day.
Bottom line overtraining is somewhat real but poor nutrition is more of a problem that beginners and seasoned veterans can sometimes become the victims of.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
MytchBucanan wrote:
I never tried Ultimate Orange but I remember the adds for it. I have only tried Black Powder and NaNo Vapor. NaNo Vapor tastes very good and gives a better rush, but Black Powder seemed to make me stronger and warm up the quickest.
Ultimate Orange had to have had cocaine in it. That shit was like rocket fuel for a workout. It didn’t surprise me it got banned.[/quote]
Considering Dan Duchaine is the one who designed it it would not surprise me one bit if actually
did have a bit of coke in it…
[quote]Professor X wrote:
MytchBucanan wrote:
I never tried Ultimate Orange but I remember the adds for it. I have only tried Black Powder and NaNo Vapor. NaNo Vapor tastes very good and gives a better rush, but Black Powder seemed to make me stronger and warm up the quickest.
Ultimate Orange had to have had cocaine in it. That shit was like rocket fuel for a workout. It didn’t surprise me it got banned.[/quote]
Well it did have ephedrine. Man i miss that stuff, I don’t like the current options. I have not tried Surge though
[quote]cromwell2007 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
MytchBucanan wrote:
I never tried Ultimate Orange but I remember the adds for it. I have only tried Black Powder and NaNo Vapor. NaNo Vapor tastes very good and gives a better rush, but Black Powder seemed to make me stronger and warm up the quickest.
Ultimate Orange had to have had cocaine in it. That shit was like rocket fuel for a workout. It didn’t surprise me it got banned.
Well it did have ephedrine. Man i miss that stuff, I don’t like the current options. I have not tried Surge though[/quote]
Surge isn’t a stimulant, I though the same thing. It doesn’t pick you up, just kinda helps you stay up while you work. I really like it.
So is the general consensus that the caffeine abuse is kosher? I mean I’m not even touching Way’s or GB’s levels, and from the sounds of that Orange stuff, that either.
The idea that there’s no such thing as overtraining is fricking ludicrous. OF COURSE there is.
The idea that people are just under-eating or undersleeping, is also ludicrous. So, all you have to do is eat ungodly amounts of proper food/sups, and sleep 16 hours a day, and you’ll be able to withstand any workout? If that was true, guys would be benching 1000 pounds and squatting 2000 pounds. Guys wouldn’t need to take steroids, just eat more and sleep more!
Then there’s the idea that you can’t overtrain, if you are using a properly designed training program. Ummm, duh. That’s the whole point of a properly designed program. A properly designed program won’t have excessive volume per day, or excessive frequency per week (the exception would be specific intentional overtraining on a limited basis, for a rebound effect). How much is too much frequency, or too much volume? It’s different for everybody, based on experience and other factors. A beginner will overtrain at a different point than an advanced bodybuilder.
I was disappointed to read TB saying that it’s impossible to overtrain on squats and deadlifts. IMO because those are two of the most challenging (and thus effective) movements, that’s exactly why it’s probably EASIER to overtrain on squats and deadlifts. Overtraining is placing a workload on the body that it can’t recuperate from, in time to maintain training frequency/progress. TB should have said “wrist curls” not squats… I might actually believe that. Most guys who do 20 truly hard sets of squats are going to have trouble recuperating. I personally can’t do 10 hard sets of squats (I’m 48 years old). People will overtrain at different points but to say there’s no such thing is bullshit. It’s just something that sounds bad ass, but without adding a bunch of qualifying statements, it’s just totally false.
I didn’t read the whole thread, but I’m pretty sure nobody is saying overtraining is impossible. It’s more that the majority of people who think they are overtraining are just making excuses to not be in the gym or to ignore their poor diet.