I don’t buy into the over training. However what’s everyone’s opinions on days when it’s just “not there”?
I walked into the gym yesterday, was going to row, squat, and bench press. Got to work sets of row and just felt empty, I re-racked my weights and went home. Ever have this? Do you push threw? Take the day off?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
MODOK wrote:
The only time I stagnate in my training is when I am dieting down really low. At that point, my training mentality shifts to “fight to keep the poundage I had at 220 lbs, at 200 lbs bw”. The only time I “overtrain” is when I break something… A-C separation, stress fracture, pop a hamstring…then I say "maybe I need to back off next week. Your body WILL adapt if you are supporting it…don’t underestimate it.
Well, the guy above you, who is no doubt simply amazingly developed, seems to believe this is impossible.
I take one to two days off a week if necessary. Anyone needing entire weeks and months off just because they trained regularly for four months is likely very weak as far as genetic potential or athleticism.
This activity is not for everyone and not everyone is at the shallow end of the gene pool.
I agree, Modok, the only time I felt run down was when I was training 6 days a week during final exams and board exams…ie, it was stress related fatigue and not some need of my body as far as “overtraining” just because I lifted regularly.
I doubt most here are training anywhere near intense enough to need regular scheduled weeks off unless they simply are not eating/resting enough to support their training.[/quote]
Prof, I want to spend one day training and eating with you (no homo.) I think i’d learn allot. I would also probably over train 
[quote]BradTGIF wrote:
I felt that I’d overtrained before, but I don’t think it can be simply pinned down to one element.
I had been at it for just under 6 months with no real break besides planned days off. 5x5 interspersed with weeks of EDT. The body got tired, #'s stagnated, it fucked with me mentally, food didn’t look, smell, or taste good, I slept like crap, I began to eat less yet tried to train the same way and frustration set in because I tired quicker than usual. I felt smaller… It was a downward spiral that was all encompassing.
I got this feeling of “what’s this all worth anyway?”
Then after a hard leg day where I had to push hard to finish the gameplan of the day, I got in my truck and started crying. Like a baby. I don’t do that ever.
So I called in sick the next day, took 5 days total off from training and eased back into it. Lesson learned.
[/quote]
I feel like this now.
Like not even halfway into my regular workouts I just have no fucking energy left.
I get soooo pissed off, it’s fucking depressing. I’m sitting here now just after my leg workout thinking ‘whats the god damn point?’
I honestly just can’t get my head around everything and I don’t know what to change to get shit going again. I really don’t want to take 5 days off.
I think im just going to failure too often on my lifts.
[quote]Goodfellow wrote:
BradTGIF wrote:
I felt that I’d overtrained before, but I don’t think it can be simply pinned down to one element.
I had been at it for just under 6 months with no real break besides planned days off. 5x5 interspersed with weeks of EDT. The body got tired, #'s stagnated, it fucked with me mentally, food didn’t look, smell, or taste good, I slept like crap, I began to eat less yet tried to train the same way and frustration set in because I tired quicker than usual. I felt smaller… It was a downward spiral that was all encompassing.
I got this feeling of “what’s this all worth anyway?”
Then after a hard leg day where I had to push hard to finish the gameplan of the day, I got in my truck and started crying. Like a baby. I don’t do that ever.
So I called in sick the next day, took 5 days total off from training and eased back into it. Lesson learned.
I feel like this now.
Like not even halfway into my regular workouts I just have no fucking energy left.
I get soooo pissed off, it’s fucking depressing. I’m sitting here now just after my leg workout thinking ‘whats the god damn point?’
I honestly just can’t get my head around everything and I don’t know what to change to get shit going again. I really don’t want to take 5 days off.
I think im just going to failure too often on my lifts.
[/quote]
Take like 1 or 2 days off and go get yourself to a buffet and eat your heart out!
[quote]Professor X wrote:
MODOK wrote:
The only time I stagnate in my training is when I am dieting down really low. At that point, my training mentality shifts to “fight to keep the poundage I had at 220 lbs, at 200 lbs bw”. The only time I “overtrain” is when I break something… A-C separation, stress fracture, pop a hamstring…then I say "maybe I need to back off next week. Your body WILL adapt if you are supporting it…don’t underestimate it.
Well, the guy above you, who is no doubt simply amazingly developed, seems to believe this is impossible.
I take one to two days off a week if necessary. Anyone needing entire weeks and months off just because they trained regularly for four months is likely very weak as far as genetic potential or athleticism.
This activity is not for everyone and not everyone is at the shallow end of the gene pool.
I agree, Modok, the only time I felt run down was when I was training 6 days a week during final exams and board exams…ie, it was stress related fatigue and not some need of my body as far as “overtraining” just because I lifted regularly.
I doubt most here are training anywhere near intense enough to need regular scheduled weeks off unless they simply are not eating/resting enough to support their training.[/quote]
LOL um… NO
I don’t think it’s impossible to overtrain so hard that you pop a hamstring. I thought I clearly stated if they don’t “THEY GET INJURED” and have to take time off, I never knew the whole goal was to train until you get injured, for some odd reason I thought people wanted to avoid injury and train harder… Oh that’s right I also said non-TNation characters, so forget what I just said.
[quote]Goodfellow wrote:
BradTGIF wrote:
I felt that I’d overtrained before, but I don’t think it can be simply pinned down to one element.
I had been at it for just under 6 months with no real break besides planned days off. 5x5 interspersed with weeks of EDT. The body got tired, #'s stagnated, it fucked with me mentally, food didn’t look, smell, or taste good, I slept like crap, I began to eat less yet tried to train the same way and frustration set in because I tired quicker than usual. I felt smaller… It was a downward spiral that was all encompassing.
I got this feeling of “what’s this all worth anyway?”
Then after a hard leg day where I had to push hard to finish the gameplan of the day, I got in my truck and started crying. Like a baby. I don’t do that ever.
So I called in sick the next day, took 5 days total off from training and eased back into it. Lesson learned.
I feel like this now.
Like not even halfway into my regular workouts I just have no fucking energy left.
I get soooo pissed off, it’s fucking depressing. I’m sitting here now just after my leg workout thinking ‘whats the god damn point?’
I honestly just can’t get my head around everything and I don’t know what to change to get shit going again. I really don’t want to take 5 days off.
I think im just going to failure too often on my lifts.
[/quote]
Dude, you are the guy who is NOT eating enough because he is trying to lean up. Are you still confused as to why you feel like this?
I mean, even after we explained why you feel like this?
You just made a thread about this and apparently haven’t fixed the real problem yet. Why is that?
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
OldDirtyCracker wrote:
This is what i hate. You sons of bitches who know how other people feel. Who is over 30, not on gear(which I have no problem with) and has never felt run down after 3-5 hard days regardless of sleep and food? Who never came down with something immediately after a workout?
You get run down after 3-5 days of lifting? Unless by over 30 you mean you are 77 I don’t see how that can happen. Maybe you just need to check your eating habits and look into some HRT.[/quote]
What’s HRT??
[quote]Paegan_Love_Song wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
OldDirtyCracker wrote:
This is what i hate. You sons of bitches who know how other people feel. Who is over 30, not on gear(which I have no problem with) and has never felt run down after 3-5 hard days regardless of sleep and food? Who never came down with something immediately after a workout?
You get run down after 3-5 days of lifting? Unless by over 30 you mean you are 77 I don’t see how that can happen. Maybe you just need to check your eating habits and look into some HRT.
What’s HRT??[/quote]
Hormone Replacement Therapy.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Goodfellow wrote:
BradTGIF wrote:
I felt that I’d overtrained before, but I don’t think it can be simply pinned down to one element.
I had been at it for just under 6 months with no real break besides planned days off. 5x5 interspersed with weeks of EDT. The body got tired, #'s stagnated, it fucked with me mentally, food didn’t look, smell, or taste good, I slept like crap, I began to eat less yet tried to train the same way and frustration set in because I tired quicker than usual. I felt smaller… It was a downward spiral that was all encompassing.
I got this feeling of “what’s this all worth anyway?”
Then after a hard leg day where I had to push hard to finish the gameplan of the day, I got in my truck and started crying. Like a baby. I don’t do that ever.
So I called in sick the next day, took 5 days total off from training and eased back into it. Lesson learned.
I feel like this now.
Like not even halfway into my regular workouts I just have no fucking energy left.
I get soooo pissed off, it’s fucking depressing. I’m sitting here now just after my leg workout thinking ‘whats the god damn point?’
I honestly just can’t get my head around everything and I don’t know what to change to get shit going again. I really don’t want to take 5 days off.
I think im just going to failure too often on my lifts.
Dude, you are the guy who is NOT eating enough because he is trying to lean up. Are you still confused as to why you feel like this?
I mean, even after we explained why you feel like this?
You just made a thread about this and apparently haven’t fixed the real problem yet. Why is that?[/quote]
I’m eating over 3500 calories a day at 185lbs. I literally went off force fed myself after the thread the other day (put down 4 big sausages, 12oz potatoes, 3 gatorades, 4 scoops whey and a doughnut) along with all my other regular meals and I still felt like shit today. I don’t see how this isn’t enough.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Professor X wrote:
MODOK wrote:
The only time I stagnate in my training is when I am dieting down really low. At that point, my training mentality shifts to “fight to keep the poundage I had at 220 lbs, at 200 lbs bw”. The only time I “overtrain” is when I break something… A-C separation, stress fracture, pop a hamstring…then I say "maybe I need to back off next week. Your body WILL adapt if you are supporting it…don’t underestimate it.
Well, the guy above you, who is no doubt simply amazingly developed, seems to believe this is impossible.
I take one to two days off a week if necessary. Anyone needing entire weeks and months off just because they trained regularly for four months is likely very weak as far as genetic potential or athleticism.
This activity is not for everyone and not everyone is at the shallow end of the gene pool.
I agree, Modok, the only time I felt run down was when I was training 6 days a week during final exams and board exams…ie, it was stress related fatigue and not some need of my body as far as “overtraining” just because I lifted regularly.
I doubt most here are training anywhere near intense enough to need regular scheduled weeks off unless they simply are not eating/resting enough to support their training.
LOL um… NO
I don’t think it’s impossible to overtrain so hard that you pop a hamstring. I thought I clearly stated if they don’t “THEY GET INJURED” and have to take time off, I never knew the whole goal was to train until you get injured, for some odd reason I thought people wanted to avoid injury and train harder… Oh that’s right I also said non-TNation characters, so forget what I just said.[/quote]
Already forgotten. You are one of those “I will never post pics” guys. You know, the ones who log into all of these threads to give their advice but for some reason seem afraid to show how amazingly developed they are to justify the advice.
[quote]mitchellh wrote:
I don’t buy into the over training. However what’s everyone’s opinions on days when it’s just “not there”?
I walked into the gym yesterday, was going to row, squat, and bench press. Got to work sets of row and just felt empty, I re-racked my weights and went home. Ever have this? Do you push threw? Take the day off?[/quote]
It sucks being tired from not getting enough sleep or just feeling weak that particular day, but fortunately it doesn’t happen often, and when it does I just push through it. I may not set a new record that day, but I can at least match my lifts from the previous workout.
[quote]mitchellh wrote:
I don’t buy into the over training. However what’s everyone’s opinions on days when it’s just “not there”?
I walked into the gym yesterday, was going to row, squat, and bench press. Got to work sets of row and just felt empty, I re-racked my weights and went home. Ever have this? Do you push threw? Take the day off?[/quote]
Happens to me, I’m sure it happens to everyone sometimes. Usually it’s because I didn’t eat much the day, or days leading up to the workout.
What I want to know is, how can you claim that any training program never did anything for you if you quit after the 3rd workout?
[quote]OldDirtyCracker wrote:
This is what i hate. You sons of bitches who know how other people feel. Who is over 30, not on gear(which I have no problem with) and has never felt run down after 3-5 hard days regardless of sleep and food? Who never came down with something immediately after a workout?[/quote]
I’m 33, never taken gear (obvious by my stage of development) and I don’t feel run down to the point where I felt like I was over training. I credit taking in 4000-5000 a day calories for this. I did get sick once immediately after a heavy leg workout but only because I was coming off being sick and stepped into the gym to soon. Went to Doc and she said it was some kind of respiratory infection or something.
As far a taking planned weeks off, I don’t see the need for it. I take about 3 separate weeklong vacations every year. Combine that with getting sick at least once or twice a year and I have all the time off I need.
[quote]Goodfellow wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Goodfellow wrote:
BradTGIF wrote:
I felt that I’d overtrained before, but I don’t think it can be simply pinned down to one element.
I had been at it for just under 6 months with no real break besides planned days off. 5x5 interspersed with weeks of EDT. The body got tired, #'s stagnated, it fucked with me mentally, food didn’t look, smell, or taste good, I slept like crap, I began to eat less yet tried to train the same way and frustration set in because I tired quicker than usual. I felt smaller… It was a downward spiral that was all encompassing.
I got this feeling of “what’s this all worth anyway?”
Then after a hard leg day where I had to push hard to finish the gameplan of the day, I got in my truck and started crying. Like a baby. I don’t do that ever.
So I called in sick the next day, took 5 days total off from training and eased back into it. Lesson learned.
I feel like this now.
Like not even halfway into my regular workouts I just have no fucking energy left.
I get soooo pissed off, it’s fucking depressing. I’m sitting here now just after my leg workout thinking ‘whats the god damn point?’
I honestly just can’t get my head around everything and I don’t know what to change to get shit going again. I really don’t want to take 5 days off.
I think im just going to failure too often on my lifts.
Dude, you are the guy who is NOT eating enough because he is trying to lean up. Are you still confused as to why you feel like this?
I mean, even after we explained why you feel like this?
You just made a thread about this and apparently haven’t fixed the real problem yet. Why is that?
I’m eating over 3500 calories a day at 185lbs. I literally went off force fed myself after the thread the other day (put down 4 big sausages, 12oz potatoes, 3 gatorades, 4 scoops whey and a doughnut) and I still felt like shit today. I don’t see how this isn’t enough.[/quote]
This summer I was taking some courses to get ahead on my degree and working alot. I made the mistake of not planning out meals and as a result wasn’t eating as much as I should have to progress. This went on for a few weeks and my workouts started stagnating.
When I finally got back to eating above maintenance it took me about a WEEK of eating to start feeling like a man in the gym again.
[quote]mitchellh wrote:
I don’t buy into the over training. However what’s everyone’s opinions on days when it’s just “not there”?
I walked into the gym yesterday, was going to row, squat, and bench press. Got to work sets of row and just felt empty, I re-racked my weights and went home. Ever have this? Do you push threw? Take the day off?[/quote]
Yea I used to push through it before, now I just drop the weights, go home, make a low carb meal, like a steak and relax.
it happens on the days that I’m excited to hit the weights, and then I get there and drag my ass.
[quote]Goodfellow wrote:
I’m eating over 3500 calories a day at 185lbs. I literally went off force fed myself after the thread the other day (put down 4 big sausages, 12oz potatoes, 3 gatorades, 4 scoops whey and a doughnut) and I still felt like shit today. I don’t see how this isn’t enough.[/quote]
You are quoting numbers as if that means something. Unless your weight is actually going up slowly, then 3,500 may not be enough. Also, eating more for one day (and no one said anything eating doughnuts) does not erase WEEKS and months of doing the wrong thing.
You should NEVER take a break - not even between sets. You should lift weights every minute of the hour, 24 hrs a day, 7 days a week. I am squatting as I type this. THERE IS NO NEED TO EVER STOP LIFTING WEIGHTS!!!
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Goodfellow wrote:
I’m eating over 3500 calories a day at 185lbs. I literally went off force fed myself after the thread the other day (put down 4 big sausages, 12oz potatoes, 3 gatorades, 4 scoops whey and a doughnut) and I still felt like shit today. I don’t see how this isn’t enough.
You are quoting numbers as if that means something. Unless your weight is actually going up slowly, then 3,500 may not be enough. Also, eating more for one day (and no one said anything eating doughnuts) does not erase WEEKS and months of doing the wrong thing.[/quote]
I’ll make sure to keep the calories up from now on. They’ve only been low for a week or so.
I’m just very impatient and get furious when I don’t get the results I want.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Goodfellow wrote:
I’m eating over 3500 calories a day at 185lbs. I literally went off force fed myself after the thread the other day (put down 4 big sausages, 12oz potatoes, 3 gatorades, 4 scoops whey and a doughnut) and I still felt like shit today. I don’t see how this isn’t enough.
You are quoting numbers as if that means something. Unless your weight is actually going up slowly, then 3,500 may not be enough. Also, eating more for one day (and no one said anything eating doughnuts) does not erase WEEKS and months of doing the wrong thing.[/quote]
Yeah, unfortunately there’s no quick fix when it comes to metabolism and physiology.