Overcoming Anxieties

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]cstratton2 wrote:

[quote]RampantBadger wrote:

[quote]cstratton2 wrote:

[quote]02Thief wrote:
. [/quote]

feels like he is DYING or about to get his THROAT TORN OUT just going out of his comfort zone… . [/quote]

Eh???

Where did the the OP say this? you’re projecting and completely pulling this out of thin air.[/quote]

You are right, he did not state that… haha should have toned it down, but for some people thats how it feels at a certain point when they are in that state… intense feeling of doom when fight or flight hits out of nowhere, All I was saying is that for some people it can be quite a nightmare until they resolve it so we shouldn’t be saying anything that can come off messed up thats all… nothing to do in context with this thread then just how it can feel for certain people and that we should not be a jerk to people that are already doing their own thing to get better.

Of course without better description it can come across as total projection from my part… All I am saying is that it can be a very scary thing for some people and we don’t have to understand it, but just be nice is all. [/quote]

Everybody’s a tough guy when it’s somebody else’s weakness.

Of course all these “Man the fuck up!” types don’t have any shortcomings or “issues,” right?

They are all MEN, after all!

I guess empathy isn’t a “manly” trait.[/quote]

You’re right, Chushin. I may have jumped the gun with my recommendation.

On the other hand, I assume anyone who comes here (or any social internet forum for that matter) for their “professional” advice really doesn’t have a deep-seeded issue, and can take the “tough love” prescription many of us recommend.

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I know all the “tough guy” responses have been thoroughly shit on already, but by Crom go get big and strong and tough and confident! Let out a bestial roar as you lock out a deadlift and imagine you are holding the bloody corpse of your enemy anxiety. You can adjust your attitude if you work at it. Build your confidence. Crush your fears.

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]cstratton2 wrote:

[quote]RampantBadger wrote:

[quote]cstratton2 wrote:

[quote]02Thief wrote:
. [/quote]

feels like he is DYING or about to get his THROAT TORN OUT just going out of his comfort zone… . [/quote]

Eh???

Where did the the OP say this? you’re projecting and completely pulling this out of thin air.[/quote]

You are right, he did not state that… haha should have toned it down, but for some people thats how it feels at a certain point when they are in that state… intense feeling of doom when fight or flight hits out of nowhere, All I was saying is that for some people it can be quite a nightmare until they resolve it so we shouldn’t be saying anything that can come off messed up thats all… nothing to do in context with this thread then just how it can feel for certain people and that we should not be a jerk to people that are already doing their own thing to get better.

Of course without better description it can come across as total projection from my part… All I am saying is that it can be a very scary thing for some people and we don’t have to understand it, but just be nice is all. [/quote]

Everybody’s a tough guy when it’s somebody else’s weakness.

Of course all these “Man the fuck up!” types don’t have any shortcomings or “issues,” right?

They are all MEN, after all!

I guess empathy isn’t a “manly” trait.[/quote]

You’re right, Chushin. I may have jumped the gun with my recommendation.

On the other hand, I assume anyone who comes here (or any social internet forum for that matter) for their “professional” advice really doesn’t have a deep-seeded issue, and can take the “tough love” prescription many of us recommend.
[/quote]

I disagree. Some people just feel so lost that they feel like they have no where else to go except for internet forums. I myself have made a thread on here about severe depression and anxiety in the past and I could barely leave my room. I also feel pretty confident that I have some “deep-seeded” issues that require more than the tough love approach. Online just seems like a good option for some people that are unsure of what to do even if it seems like a silly idea to you.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]cstratton2 wrote:

[quote]RampantBadger wrote:

[quote]cstratton2 wrote:

[quote]02Thief wrote:
. [/quote]

feels like he is DYING or about to get his THROAT TORN OUT just going out of his comfort zone… . [/quote]

Eh???

Where did the the OP say this? you’re projecting and completely pulling this out of thin air.[/quote]

You are right, he did not state that… haha should have toned it down, but for some people thats how it feels at a certain point when they are in that state… intense feeling of doom when fight or flight hits out of nowhere, All I was saying is that for some people it can be quite a nightmare until they resolve it so we shouldn’t be saying anything that can come off messed up thats all… nothing to do in context with this thread then just how it can feel for certain people and that we should not be a jerk to people that are already doing their own thing to get better.

Of course without better description it can come across as total projection from my part… All I am saying is that it can be a very scary thing for some people and we don’t have to understand it, but just be nice is all. [/quote]

Everybody’s a tough guy when it’s somebody else’s weakness.

Of course all these “Man the fuck up!” types don’t have any shortcomings or “issues,” right?

They are all MEN, after all!

I guess empathy isn’t a “manly” trait.[/quote]

Exactly… It’s too tempting for some to pass up an opportunity to sound “hardcore”.

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]cstratton2 wrote:

[quote]RampantBadger wrote:

[quote]cstratton2 wrote:

[quote]02Thief wrote:
. [/quote]

feels like he is DYING or about to get his THROAT TORN OUT just going out of his comfort zone… . [/quote]

Eh???

Where did the the OP say this? you’re projecting and completely pulling this out of thin air.[/quote]

You are right, he did not state that… haha should have toned it down, but for some people thats how it feels at a certain point when they are in that state… intense feeling of doom when fight or flight hits out of nowhere, All I was saying is that for some people it can be quite a nightmare until they resolve it so we shouldn’t be saying anything that can come off messed up thats all… nothing to do in context with this thread then just how it can feel for certain people and that we should not be a jerk to people that are already doing their own thing to get better.

Of course without better description it can come across as total projection from my part… All I am saying is that it can be a very scary thing for some people and we don’t have to understand it, but just be nice is all. [/quote]

Everybody’s a tough guy when it’s somebody else’s weakness.

Of course all these “Man the fuck up!” types don’t have any shortcomings or “issues,” right?

They are all MEN, after all!

I guess empathy isn’t a “manly” trait.[/quote]

You’re right, Chushin. I may have jumped the gun with my recommendation.

On the other hand, I assume anyone who comes here (or any social internet forum for that matter) for their “professional” advice really doesn’t have a deep-seeded issue, and can take the “tough love” prescription many of us recommend.
[/quote]

I disagree as well. Do you know how many people who have committed suicide (albeit, thats a different can of worms) because they couldn’t open up to family, friends, psychiatrists? People turn to the internet because it is easier to express yourself. You would like to hope people take you somewhat serious, and don’t slander you with “You’re a fucking pussy, suck it up fag” comments. It’s actually really sad the lack of mental health knowledge on these boards. After all, we’re all T-men and we’re all so superior than everyone else…you think we’d know something about these issues that are in society.

And along with what the one poster has been saying (forget who, and I don’t want to go back to check lol), you really have no idea what the hell you’re talking about if you haven’t gone through something like this. If that’s the case, try to provide some CONSTRUCTIVE feedback instead of being a dickhead acting all macho. In the end, you’re just some guy/girl on the internet breaking people down. Congratulations, you’re an asshole.

Edit: the other poster was cstratton2

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Ok, here’s “constructive” feedback
Case in point…Jim Carrey, yes “Ace Ventura” and other roles, the most hilarious most energetic
comedian of the last 20 years…'Dude has really deep depression issues.
“WHAT???” you may say…“NOT Ace Ventura, no fucking way!” Yes way.
Why? Fuckifino…except ANOTHER “theory” is…What goes up, must come down
Almost EVERY PERSON I’ve met with depression issues have “ego” issues in public,
this can be double-edged sword, GREAT for “entertaining” people, being the “life of the party”, etc.
but it’s also a subliminal Faustian pact YOU make with YOURSELF, and your ego will serve you
well, being very outgoing, being attractive to the opposite sex, and maybe even allowing you
to be a millionare many times over…but there’s always a price to pay.

Many situations with different varying people…I know many ‘egos’ out there, and they are
legion…is it any wonder around 30 million people are on anti-depressants?
I’m not surprised…BE YOURSELF, I know we all wear Masks, Jim Carrey wore a “Mask”…(heh),
just ‘tone it down’ a notch out there in society, don’t make faustian pacts with yourself,
be nice, give love, so you’ll receive it back, INTO your subconscious, and ERADICATE Anxiety.

You guys remember Don Lapre, the “one tiny classified ad” infomercial dude from the 90’s?
BIG EGO…also BIG SCAMMER…he made millions no matter what you thought of him,
but he WAS a scammer…he got busted, depressed, and blew his brains out last year.
R.I.P. Don…May God have mercy on your soul.

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[quote]Karado wrote:
Ok, here’s “constructive” feedback
Case in point…Jim Carrey, yes “Ace Ventura” and other roles, the most hilarious most energetic
comedian of the last 20 years…'Dude has really deep depression issues.
“WHAT???” you may say…“NOT Ace Ventura, no fucking way!” Yes way.
Why? Fuckifino…except ANOTHER “theory” is…What goes up, must come down
Almost EVERY PERSON I’ve met with depression issues have “ego” issues in public,
this can be double-edged sword, GREAT for “entertaining” people, being the “life of the party”, etc.
but it’s also a subliminal Faustian pact YOU make with YOURSELF, and your ego will serve you
well, being very outgoing, being attractive to the opposite sex, and maybe even allowing you
to be a millionare many times over…but there’s always a price to pay.

Many situations with different varying people…I know many ‘egos’ out there, and they are
legion…is it any wonder around 30 million people are on anti-depressants?
I’m not surprised…BE YOURSELF, I know we all wear Masks, Jim Carrey wore a “Mask”…(heh),
just ‘tone it down’ a notch out there in society, don’t make faustian pacts with yourself,
be nice, give love, so you’ll receive it back, INTO your subconscious, and ERADICATE Anxiety.

You guys remember Don Lapre, the “one tiny classified ad” infomercial dude from the 90’s?
BIG EGO…also BIG SCAMMER…he made millions no matter what you thought of him,
but he WAS a scammer…he got busted, depressed, and blew his brains out last year.
R.I.P. Don…May God have mercy on your soul.

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Dude, I don’t disagree that being an asshat makes it difficult to be truly happy in life, but some of the kindest, most loving and genuine people I know have real issues with anxiety.
No Faustian bargains, no overblown egos, no masks, no scams. Just an inexplicable inability to find a comfortable place in themselves and the world.

I don’t pretend to understand it because I’m not wired up that way, but I am certain of one thing. For them, this is REAL. It’s not something they can just stop doing. They do not need to suck it up and stop being pussies (not responding directly to you here). Something about their way of seeing life just makes it extremely difficult for them be at peace.

I believe that there must be solutions for these people. I don’t know what they are, but I suspect that there are no one size fits all, black and white answers.

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“Dude, I don’t disagree that being an asshat makes it difficult to be truly happy in life, but some of the kindest, most loving and genuine people I know have real issues with anxiety.
No Faustian bargains, no overblown egos, no masks, no scams. Just an inexplicable inability to find a comfortable place in themselves and the world.”

Too predictable you were gonna go the other direction with that…Okay then, what’s the real
cause…the CAUSE.
Again, the “Universe”, Or God, or whatever the fuck ever does not PRE-PROGRAM in our
Brains some fucking “depression gene” IF the parents are healthy.

How about foods that cause anxieties and mess up your Brain…Flouride, Aspartame, etc.
there’s laundry list of that shit, so tell these loving, caring, smootching Angels of Mercy
to be extra careful what they feed their faces with then…Again, we are not PROGAMMED
in our heads with this at birth, there’s no proof aside from maybe a Pregnant Mother who smoked
or ate like utter shit while pregnant or something, which in that case just may cyclical
and endemic within the family…Older Fathers are common now as well, THAT ALONE
may cause depressive kids, sperm too aged…so it’s SOCIETY’S fault, in one way, or another.

What is it that makes society think when we can tempt fate and consume Chems, inhale
Mercury in Exhaust Fumes, etc. and not think for a moment it makes a great impact in our
lives, yet at the same time people scratch our heads and wonder why everybody’s fucked
in the head…as all these various emotional, and chemical, and bad lifestyle issues surround us everywhere.

If one Depressed it’s not because the body has a Xanax deficiency.

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[quote]Karado wrote:
“Dude, I don’t disagree that being an asshat makes it difficult to be truly happy in life, but some of the kindest, most loving and genuine people I know have real issues with anxiety.
No Faustian bargains, no overblown egos, no masks, no scams. Just an inexplicable inability to find a comfortable place in themselves and the world.”

Too predictable you were gonna go the other direction with that…Okay then, what’s the real
cause…the CAUSE.
Again, the “Universe”, Or God, or whatever the fuck ever does not PRE-PROGRAM in our
Brains some fucking “depression gene” IF the parents are healthy.

How about foods that cause anxieties and mess up your Brain…Flouride, Aspartame, etc.
there’s laundry list of that shit, so tell these loving, caring, smootching Angels of Mercy
to be extra careful what they feed their faces with then…Again, we are not PROGAMMED
in our heads with this at birth, there’s no proof aside from maybe a Pregnant Mother who smoked
or ate like utter shit while pregnant or something, which in that case just may cyclical
and endemic within the family…Older Fathers are common now as well, THAT ALONE
may cause depressive kids, sperm too aged…so it’s SOCIETY’S fault, in one way, or another.

What is it that makes society think when we can tempt fate and consume Chems, inhale
Mercury in Exhaust Fumes, etc. and not think for a moment it makes a great impact in our
lives, yet at the same time people scratch our heads and wonder why everybody’s fucked
in the head…as all these various emotional, and chemical, and bad lifestyle issues surround us everywhere.

If one Depressed it’s not because the body has a Xanax deficiency.

[/quote]

As flip as you originally came across you make some very good points with this post.

Big Pharma is totally out of control and wants to create as many victims/consumers as possible. The TV commercials make me sick…all this “My Depression” shit irritates me.

I’m much more interested (as I assume you are) in self help/positive thinking and health in general. I have been depressed before but I find getting enough sleep, eating right, exercising and avoiding being a cynic does wonders for keeping spirits up.

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Exercising can be powerful remedy, I wonder how many do that to relieve Anxiety.
I’ve BEEN there…it happened after a layoff, but weeks after, like a delayed response,
Kinda like your Brain is stuck on full speed like a fuckin’ stuck gas pedal…I wouldn’t
wish that ‘feeling’ on my worst enemy…

But I beat Anxiety Attacks by fighting it,
NO drugs, No Marijuana, it just took time, telling myself til it seeped into my subconscious
that I AM well, and that this fear, shortness of breath, and a sense of doom was an illusion,
it wasn’t real, and I wasn’t gonna fall for that fucking illusion, because that’s all it was.
I SEEMED real…that’s the scam that people believe,…NO MATTER HOW FUCKING REAL IT SEEMS,
It is not!

It’s a ‘test’ of some kind though, that’s my interpretation of it, but a ‘test’ for what?
Maybe as a psychological rite of passage that must be endured to come out stronger on the
other side, and IF you MEDICATE, you are actually HINDERING your GROWTH thereby perpetuating
your condition, because if you STOP, the big money flow to big pharma is stopped as well,
and they can’t have that, they NEED you, and they will fight tooth and nail to KEEP you.

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Again you guys are just shooting blanks in the dark with speculation here… Anxiety is curable 100% no matter how severe… It takes a very simple approach but its not easy… facing everything head on, breaking all avoidance cycles, and unconditional acceptance of the anxiety, no matter how sensitized… it takes going into and facing the fear head on and accepting the waves of adrenaline as they wash over you like waves of the ocean…

Then you have to fully live you’re life and do nothing, nothing to get rid of it, just continue to live as normal life as possible with or without it with the sensations, thoughts, and feelings, fully accepting them and not trying to push any of it away… It is all about breaking the fear adrenaline fear cycle… from there once the person is no longer AFRAID of the feelings the real healing can start… It does take time though, doesn’t happen in a few weeks and the road to recovery is extremely up and down with setbacks, but a full recovery is very possible for anyone and it is all very simple…

There is the generalized anxiety and panic disorder where a person has anxiety from severe sensitization and mental exhuastion, but then also the self defeating belief kind which is the result of distorted perceptions, usually pertaining to Social Anxiety, OCD, Body Dismorphia, etc…

Anxiety is just an over reactive adrenal response system and if you can overcome any self limiting beliefs and accept and break the avoidance patterns as well as fully accept and live with the sensitization without trying to push any of it away or get rid of it, thats all you need.

Dr David Burns Book “When Panic Attacks” is pretty practical and very useful for people caught in some cycles that may need a more structured approach.

Depression is the same in that it is symptoms that overcome the brain and body through whatever triggers but can be fully cured in a similar manner regarding whats useful for that… Dr David Burns wrote a book called “Feel Good” which is extremely helpful for anyone dealing with depression, often times it is recommended before drug therapy is introduced…

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… Anxiety and Depression are also not mental diseases… there is nothing wrong with the person experiencing symptoms… Yes symptoms can feel so bad that it almost must feel like an irreversable disease thats not curable, only better handled with drugs but thats BS… Symptoms can be extremely severe and painful there is no doubt about that…

But there is nothing that can’t be permanently overcome… not through will power either just better knowledge and the right info as well as learning the techniques to fully overcome it… setbacks are always included though, of course its never an upward recovery for stuff like this… Its a downward spiral effect so it takes time to pull out of, but with the right knowledge one can get through it and make sure they don’t relapse by making the same mistakes again.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]cstratton2 wrote:

[quote]RampantBadger wrote:

[quote]cstratton2 wrote:

[quote]02Thief wrote:
. [/quote]

feels like he is DYING or about to get his THROAT TORN OUT just going out of his comfort zone… . [/quote]

Eh???

Where did the the OP say this? you’re projecting and completely pulling this out of thin air.[/quote]

You are right, he did not state that… haha should have toned it down, but for some people thats how it feels at a certain point when they are in that state… intense feeling of doom when fight or flight hits out of nowhere, All I was saying is that for some people it can be quite a nightmare until they resolve it so we shouldn’t be saying anything that can come off messed up thats all… nothing to do in context with this thread then just how it can feel for certain people and that we should not be a jerk to people that are already doing their own thing to get better.

Of course without better description it can come across as total projection from my part… All I am saying is that it can be a very scary thing for some people and we don’t have to understand it, but just be nice is all. [/quote]

Everybody’s a tough guy when it’s somebody else’s weakness.

Of course all these “Man the fuck up!” types don’t have any shortcomings or “issues,” right?

They are all MEN, after all!

I guess empathy isn’t a “manly” trait.[/quote]

You’re right, Chushin. I may have jumped the gun with my recommendation.

On the other hand, I assume anyone who comes here (or any social internet forum for that matter) for their “professional” advice really doesn’t have a deep-seeded issue, and can take the “tough love” prescription many of us recommend.
[/quote]

Certainly wasn’t aiming that at you, ID.

I guess I tend to be pretty cautious with giving out advice in these types of situations. Perhaps it’s left over from my days as a counselor…
[/quote]

Nothing wrong with that, I hope we can all just agree that there is nothing weak about a person going through severe emotional conflict and that we can be as much support as we can, because trust me people can really use a friend and good spirit in times like that, its already hard enough on them alone as it is… this isn’t even about OP but just people experiencing emotional conflict in general… I have extreme compassion for anyone going through pain and don’t tolerate people stomping on someones well being ever, not saying that this is what happened in this thread at all, but I have seen some pretty nasty things said to people when they have no idea how the person they are talking to feels on the inside.

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[quote]Rico Suave wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]cstratton2 wrote:

[quote]RampantBadger wrote:

[quote]cstratton2 wrote:

[quote]02Thief wrote:
. [/quote]

feels like he is DYING or about to get his THROAT TORN OUT just going out of his comfort zone… . [/quote]

Eh???

Where did the the OP say this? you’re projecting and completely pulling this out of thin air.[/quote]

You are right, he did not state that… haha should have toned it down, but for some people thats how it feels at a certain point when they are in that state… intense feeling of doom when fight or flight hits out of nowhere, All I was saying is that for some people it can be quite a nightmare until they resolve it so we shouldn’t be saying anything that can come off messed up thats all… nothing to do in context with this thread then just how it can feel for certain people and that we should not be a jerk to people that are already doing their own thing to get better.

Of course without better description it can come across as total projection from my part… All I am saying is that it can be a very scary thing for some people and we don’t have to understand it, but just be nice is all. [/quote]

Everybody’s a tough guy when it’s somebody else’s weakness.

Of course all these “Man the fuck up!” types don’t have any shortcomings or “issues,” right?

They are all MEN, after all!

I guess empathy isn’t a “manly” trait.[/quote]

You’re right, Chushin. I may have jumped the gun with my recommendation.

On the other hand, I assume anyone who comes here (or any social internet forum for that matter) for their “professional” advice really doesn’t have a deep-seeded issue, and can take the “tough love” prescription many of us recommend.
[/quote]

I disagree as well. Do you know how many people who have committed suicide (albeit, thats a different can of worms) because they couldn’t open up to family, friends, psychiatrists? People turn to the internet because it is easier to express yourself. You would like to hope people take you somewhat serious, and don’t slander you with “You’re a fucking pussy, suck it up fag” comments. It’s actually really sad the lack of mental health knowledge on these boards. After all, we’re all T-men and we’re all so superior than everyone else…you think we’d know something about these issues that are in society.

And along with what the one poster has been saying (forget who, and I don’t want to go back to check lol), you really have no idea what the hell you’re talking about if you haven’t gone through something like this. If that’s the case, try to provide some CONSTRUCTIVE feedback instead of being a dickhead acting all macho. In the end, you’re just some guy/girl on the internet breaking people down. Congratulations, you’re an asshole.

Edit: the other poster was cstratton2
[/quote]

Thanks for calling me an asshole.

If you go back to the OP, the basis of his post was that of simple separation anxiety. In most cases, this is normal for a young person’s first time out, and in no way reflects some deeper mental/emotional issue. My “man up” recommendation was not insensitive.

I don’t have personal experience with mental/emotional issues, but I grew up with a mother who did. I’ve also shared a considerable chunk of time in my life with a terribly troubled (and sometimes institutionalized) brother-in-law who trusted no one but me at his darkest moments (even after shunning his own flesh & blood family). This has gone on since the mid 80s and only recently stopped.

So before you bash me for my seemingly flippant response to the OP, back down with your hyper-analysis of the OP and myself.

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]Rico Suave wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]cstratton2 wrote:

[quote]RampantBadger wrote:

[quote]cstratton2 wrote:

[quote]02Thief wrote:
. [/quote]

feels like he is DYING or about to get his THROAT TORN OUT just going out of his comfort zone… . [/quote]

Eh???

Where did the the OP say this? you’re projecting and completely pulling this out of thin air.[/quote]

You are right, he did not state that… haha should have toned it down, but for some people thats how it feels at a certain point when they are in that state… intense feeling of doom when fight or flight hits out of nowhere, All I was saying is that for some people it can be quite a nightmare until they resolve it so we shouldn’t be saying anything that can come off messed up thats all… nothing to do in context with this thread then just how it can feel for certain people and that we should not be a jerk to people that are already doing their own thing to get better.

Of course without better description it can come across as total projection from my part… All I am saying is that it can be a very scary thing for some people and we don’t have to understand it, but just be nice is all. [/quote]

Everybody’s a tough guy when it’s somebody else’s weakness.

Of course all these “Man the fuck up!” types don’t have any shortcomings or “issues,” right?

They are all MEN, after all!

I guess empathy isn’t a “manly” trait.[/quote]

You’re right, Chushin. I may have jumped the gun with my recommendation.

On the other hand, I assume anyone who comes here (or any social internet forum for that matter) for their “professional” advice really doesn’t have a deep-seeded issue, and can take the “tough love” prescription many of us recommend.
[/quote]

I disagree as well. Do you know how many people who have committed suicide (albeit, thats a different can of worms) because they couldn’t open up to family, friends, psychiatrists? People turn to the internet because it is easier to express yourself. You would like to hope people take you somewhat serious, and don’t slander you with “You’re a fucking pussy, suck it up fag” comments. It’s actually really sad the lack of mental health knowledge on these boards. After all, we’re all T-men and we’re all so superior than everyone else…you think we’d know something about these issues that are in society.

And along with what the one poster has been saying (forget who, and I don’t want to go back to check lol), you really have no idea what the hell you’re talking about if you haven’t gone through something like this. If that’s the case, try to provide some CONSTRUCTIVE feedback instead of being a dickhead acting all macho. In the end, you’re just some guy/girl on the internet breaking people down. Congratulations, you’re an asshole.

Edit: the other poster was cstratton2
[/quote]

Thanks for calling me an asshole.

If you go back to the OP, the basis of his post was that of simple separation anxiety. In most cases, this is normal for a young person’s first time out, and in no way reflects some deeper mental/emotional issue. My “man up” recommendation was not insensitive.

I don’t have personal experience with mental/emotional issues, but I grew up with a mother who did. I’ve also shared a considerable chunk of time in my life with a terribly troubled (and sometimes institutionalized) brother-in-law who trusted no one but me at his darkest moments (even after shunning his own flesh & blood family). This has gone on since the mid 80s and only recently stopped.

So before you bash me for my seemingly flippant response to the OP, back down with your hyper-analysis of the OP and myself.[/quote]

ID,

I wasn’t bashing you. If you read my comment over again, I wasn’t directing that at you. (Edit: now that I go back, I can see how you could have read it that way lol). I quoted you for the last part of your post on people coming to the boards as not having a “real” issue. I was calling other people assholes.

When I was writing “you”, that was to the general public. Not actually you :wink:

Now go kick yourself in the head, ya shrimp.

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]Rico Suave wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]cstratton2 wrote:

[quote]RampantBadger wrote:

[quote]cstratton2 wrote:

[quote]02Thief wrote:
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feels like he is DYING or about to get his THROAT TORN OUT just going out of his comfort zone… . [/quote]

Eh???

Where did the the OP say this? you’re projecting and completely pulling this out of thin air.[/quote]

You are right, he did not state that… haha should have toned it down, but for some people thats how it feels at a certain point when they are in that state… intense feeling of doom when fight or flight hits out of nowhere, All I was saying is that for some people it can be quite a nightmare until they resolve it so we shouldn’t be saying anything that can come off messed up thats all… nothing to do in context with this thread then just how it can feel for certain people and that we should not be a jerk to people that are already doing their own thing to get better.

Of course without better description it can come across as total projection from my part… All I am saying is that it can be a very scary thing for some people and we don’t have to understand it, but just be nice is all. [/quote]

Everybody’s a tough guy when it’s somebody else’s weakness.

Of course all these “Man the fuck up!” types don’t have any shortcomings or “issues,” right?

They are all MEN, after all!

I guess empathy isn’t a “manly” trait.[/quote]

You’re right, Chushin. I may have jumped the gun with my recommendation.

On the other hand, I assume anyone who comes here (or any social internet forum for that matter) for their “professional” advice really doesn’t have a deep-seeded issue, and can take the “tough love” prescription many of us recommend.
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I disagree as well. Do you know how many people who have committed suicide (albeit, thats a different can of worms) because they couldn’t open up to family, friends, psychiatrists? People turn to the internet because it is easier to express yourself. You would like to hope people take you somewhat serious, and don’t slander you with “You’re a fucking pussy, suck it up fag” comments. It’s actually really sad the lack of mental health knowledge on these boards. After all, we’re all T-men and we’re all so superior than everyone else…you think we’d know something about these issues that are in society.

And along with what the one poster has been saying (forget who, and I don’t want to go back to check lol), you really have no idea what the hell you’re talking about if you haven’t gone through something like this. If that’s the case, try to provide some CONSTRUCTIVE feedback instead of being a dickhead acting all macho. In the end, you’re just some guy/girl on the internet breaking people down. Congratulations, you’re an asshole.

Edit: the other poster was cstratton2
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Thanks for calling me an asshole.

If you go back to the OP, the basis of his post was that of simple separation anxiety. In most cases, this is normal for a young person’s first time out, and in no way reflects some deeper mental/emotional issue. My “man up” recommendation was not insensitive.

I don’t have personal experience with mental/emotional issues, but I grew up with a mother who did. I’ve also shared a considerable chunk of time in my life with a terribly troubled (and sometimes institutionalized) brother-in-law who trusted no one but me at his darkest moments (even after shunning his own flesh & blood family). This has gone on since the mid 80s and only recently stopped.

So before you bash me for my seemingly flippant response to the OP, back down with your hyper-analysis of the OP and myself.[/quote]

I am sorry ID I was not saying anything of that like in terms of you’re response… I was making a statement of general public awareness completely out of context of this thread…

EDIT I guess that wasn’t in response to me, which makes this even more awkward… Oh well

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Whenever I’m in a bad situation I think about Stalingrad. My dad got me into reading and he’s really into military history. When I was about 10 or so I read a book on Stalingrad. Nevermind Dante’s inferno, if you want to read about human suffering read up on the seige of Stalingrad.

One thing that I remember vividly was after Paulus surrendered the Russians captured a German field hospital, found most of the german wounded dying of typhus. The pain killers had of course run out long before so there was nothing to alieviate their pain, and the lice were so bad one eye witness reported they were hanging off the wounded like bunches of grapes.

When I did a book report on this the teacher thought there was something seriously wrong with me.

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[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:
Whenever I’m in a bad situation I think about Stalingrad. My dad got me into reading and he’s really into military history. When I was about 10 or so I read a book on Stalingrad. Nevermind Dante’s inferno, if you want to read about human suffering read up on the seige of Stalingrad. One thing that I remember vividly was after Paulus surrendered the Russians captured a German field hospital, found most of the german wounded dying of typhus. The pain killers had of course run out long before so there was nothing to alieviate their pain, and the lice were so bad one eye witness reported they were hanging off the wounded like bunches of grapes.

When I did a book report on this the teacher thought there was something seriously wrong with me.[/quote]

LOL, Actually at my worse time of suffering I wanted to know that someone could have made it through worse… I read Victor Frankls “Mans Seach for Meaning” It was about the holocaust and the author who was a psychologist time spent in the camps and dealing with unimaginable life or death circumstance… is a gritty, chilling reminder about how some things went down in history, I also don’t think anyone could have suffered more then they did in those camps…

Anyways the point being was that these people could survive something like that then why should I ever complain, and there is serious inner strength in that, all self pity went forever after that book…

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[quote]Rico Suave wrote:

ID,

I wasn’t bashing you. If you read my comment over again, I wasn’t directing that at you. (Edit: now that I go back, I can see how you could have read it that way lol). I quoted you for the last part of your post on people coming to the boards as not having a “real” issue. I was calling other people assholes.

When I was writing “you”, that was to the general public. Not actually you :wink:

Now go kick yourself in the head, ya shrimp.
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<---- (Kicks self in head. Realizes how easy it is to not only get foot to head, but also how easy to get foot in mouth).

Sincerest apologies, Rico!

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