Optimal Eating

Diet and Nutrition
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As you can see, I have been particularly meticulous with diet. After 2 weeks of enjoyable dieting and still continuing on, I’ve realized I must go back to the bodybuilding diet if I ever want to excel gains. My question has changed from optimal bulking, to optimal lean bulking, even to fat loss, but now I really want to get down to the bottom of this. So now I’m calling CT, The Mighty Stu, and any bodybuilding coaches or successful 1st place middleweight bodybuilders to this.

Everyone has their own say about how to diet: only lean meat, vegetables, and fruits, high carb, high protein, low fat, low carb, high protein, high fat, any food as long as it’s deemed “healthy.” But there has got to be some way of dieting that all bodybuilders and all coaches agree on for maximum results whether it be low-carbing, strategic carb loads every so number of days, whatever.

All I’m saying is there has got to be some way of dieting that everybody experienced agrees on, and it’s not being followed due to lack of variety or most likely, “it just plain is crap to eat crap everyday for the rest of your life even if you have a cheat day one day out of the week.” At first I was thinking, do like Lee PriestSo, anybody out there?

And please, do not answer this unless you have ample experience, doesn’t need to be a contest bodybuilder or coach, but someone who is deep into the circle of bodybuilding and knows what is BEST to be done. my next question is how to achieve shredded-looking abs while having a bodybuilder shape but that’s for another post. Thanks to the ones who I’m looking for if they step on here and reply. I know it’s not as simple as eat, lift, heavy, rest, repeat, but I also know it shouldn’t be as mind-boggling as calculus either.

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[quote]vcjha wrote:
Everyone has their own say about how to diet: only lean meat, vegetables, and fruits, high carb, high protein, low fat, low carb, high protein, high fat, any food as long as it’s deemed “healthy.” But there has got to be some way of dieting that all bodybuilders and all coaches agree on for maximum results whether it be low-carbing, strategic carb loads every so number of days, whatever.

All I’m saying is there has got to be some way of dieting that everybody experienced agrees on, and it’s not being followed due to lack of variety or most likely, “it just plain is crap to eat crap everyday for the rest of your life even if you have a cheat day one day out of the week.” At first I was thinking, do like Lee PriestSo, anybody out there?[/quote]

It all boils down to consuming fewer calories than you burn if you want to lose fat.

How everyone goes about doing this is where the variety comes into play, and where newbies lose site of the big picture.

It’s not rocket science.

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[quote]HK24719 wrote:
vcjha wrote:
Everyone has their own say about how to diet: only lean meat, vegetables, and fruits, high carb, high protein, low fat, low carb, high protein, high fat, any food as long as it’s deemed “healthy.” But there has got to be some way of dieting that all bodybuilders and all coaches agree on for maximum results whether it be low-carbing, strategic carb loads every so number of days, whatever.

All I’m saying is there has got to be some way of dieting that everybody experienced agrees on, and it’s not being followed due to lack of variety or most likely, “it just plain is crap to eat crap everyday for the rest of your life even if you have a cheat day one day out of the week.” At first I was thinking, do like Lee PriestSo, anybody out there?

It all boils down to consuming fewer calories than you burn if you want to lose fat.

How everyone goes about doing this is where the variety comes into play, and where newbies lose site of the big picture.

It’s not rocket science.[/quote]

thanks, but I am still trying to gain mass, just trying to gain it the best way I can.

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Pay for the service of a highly credited bodybuilding coach or read and figure out what works for you.

You gave absolutely no information about yourself. You didn’t say what has worked or failed in the past.

You are completely wrong assuming there is one diet everyone agrees on. Someone experienced in bodybuilding would be able to surmise that based on the fact that some guys come in to their shows in great shape and others are off. If there was one way to do it everyone would look great all the time.

Since you didnt provide any info about yourself I’m going to assume you think that it isn’t relevant. If you recognized that different people have completely different nutritional needs you’d understand that your question is not only unanswerable but also just plain foolish.

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I don’t think this is is the first thread he’s started, asking what is ‘the best bodybuilding diet’.

I told him to get a feel for the basics on diet, by looking through the Nutrition articles in the archive. He told me already read everything in the archives (which I doubt).

Guys, please do not tell him about THE SECRET BODYBUILDING DIET.

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hehe lol secret bodybuilding diet

The one main reason vcjha, that there are so many approaches to gaining mass or cutting or what ever, is because of The Principle of Individual Diffrences, we are all unique, similiar but we all like and react to things differently everyday, same with nutrition, take what information is out there, try it and see if it suits your make up…

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Yes, I do. But how do we determine our needs and customize accordingly? try…30 times until i get it right? I’m on #18 right now. I mean, I guess I was hoping people highly experienced, which I guess noone of that criteria has stepped forth yet, could help me determine what not to try. I really hope they don’t tell me what I already know, such as “don’t eat fast food,” “lift heavy”, all the crap everyone on the forum already knows.

I mean, wouldn’t you want someone who could keep you from trying 30 times and probably lower it to 5 times to get it right? I guess bodybuilding is doomed to be the most frustrating subject or hobby. I see people who don’t work hard in the gym with great bodies while the ones who slave away constantly don’t get anything.

Of course, there’s still a number of people who get what they deserve, which is the twigs or the fatsos using lightweights that we clearly can see is mininum of what they can handle or the ones using heavyweights, yet it looks like an exercise rather than a workout because they don’t sweat and it looks like they’re just moving the damn weight, not working the muscle or even flexing or anything.

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[quote]K2000 wrote:
I don’t think this is is the first thread he’s started, asking what is ‘the best bodybuilding diet’.

I told him to get a feel for the basics on diet, by looking through the Nutrition articles in the archive. He told me already read everything in the archives (which I doubt).

Guys, please do not tell him about THE SECRET BODYBUILDING DIET.[/quote]

Sorry if you think I’m just someone who’s looking for the shortcut. Like I said, I have looked through everything, but I do tend to stick with the basics. Doubt it if you want, I don’t care. You’re entitled to your own opinion. But here’s the reason why I keep on asking:

  1. I just want to keep from getting more failed attempts as I said in my previous post where I said I’m on the 18th attempt. 2. I recently went off the diet completely, and just made sure, to get my protein content in, and only lifted twice a week, and guess what? Even after cheating everyday, eating asian food, whatever I wanted whenever I wanted, just not eating too much, I GAINED MORE LB THAN EVER IN A MONTH PERIOD AND EVEN GOT CLOSE TO THE MOST CUT I’VE EVER BEEN. THIS IS SO DAMN CONFUSING.

If I had the money, I’d pay the fee to join his website, tell him I’d pay for sessions, fly over WHENEVER to where Stan McQuay trains his clients, and tell him I’m in this to get as serious as possible to reach my goal as fast as possible. Unfortunately, I don’t have that kind of money.

So, for the time being, I’m just trying to figure all this shit out because ultimately, I want my career to be in this field, cutting through once and for all, the bullshit, and ending the confusion. I joined this forum based on one thing: THE INTELLIGENT AND RELENTLESS PURSUIT OF MUSCLE. And I will pursue it until all the confusion ends. There might be people who are already trying to do what I do, such as bodybuilding coaches, personal trainers, etc. But I’m trying to do it with breaking the assumption that being a client of anything close to bodybuilding is a sure way to empty your wallet. If I could, I would do it asking only $20…A YEAR. And that’s the maximum it should take for someone to reach their goal. I’m trying to do anything I can do accomplish this, but obviously people here think I’m naive. Oh well, the search still continues.