[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
[quote]Malchir wrote:
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
[quote]Malchir wrote:
My first aikido class ended with me giving the sensei a broken nose because I didn’t “comply” with his wristlock. I gave him a warning that when he applied it my other hand was free to hit him in the face. He told me I wouldn’t be able to do it if he applied it with full force.
So he did, his face was grimm and I saw he was trying to hurt me for questioning his art. And he did, my wrist was sore for a week or 2 after. But my other hand was still free and his eyes were focused on my other hand the whole time, the pain triggered my reflexes and I right crossed him in the face.
He let go and covered his nose which started bleeding and swelling up immediatly, and his students rushed in to break us apart, after which he kindly asked me to leave the class and never come again.
Not that I planned to.
On a side-note, this when only when I was boxing. I’m curious what he would’ve done against my takedowns.
I do however use a wristlock and chicken wings to control semi/non-resisting guys and kick the guy out, not sure if those originate from aikido, cause I learned those moves from other bouncers. But in a real brawl, I’d use my wrestling and boxing. But I’d rather not fight anyway, shit can happen, and I’ve been literaly stabbed in the back before, nothing serious luckely.
I’ve seen a few bouncers who claimed to be aikido black belts, but I’ve never seen them do any aikido, mostly they just start brawling like everyone else.
[quote]goose27 wrote:
I’ve done judo for about a year and brazilian jujitsu on and off for four years now. I have sparred a couple of aikido guys in the past. One completely stomped me. It was amazing. I threw elbows, knees, kicks, takedowns. I ended up on the floor every ten seconds, completely unharmed. That being said, he had 20 years of aikido experience.
I think judo is more immediately useful. Aikido takes a long time to be useful, even remotely.[/quote]
If you did judo your sense of balance should be decent enough to face and stand with any pure aikidoka. Maybe fighting is not for you.[/quote]
It sounds like that aikidoka wasn’t very good at wrist locks if you were able to punch him in the face. Against someone who really knew what they’re doing, it really wouldn’t matter whether your other arm was free because you would not be punching them with it.[/quote]
You know what’s funny, that basicly what he said. It was the sensei. If he’s “not very good”, who is? It hurt, yes, but I could still resist by brute force. And pain makes me angry.
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Just because someone opens up a school and becomes a “sensei”, doesn’t mean that they have truly reached a high level or that their instructor(s) were really all that knowledgeable either. I don’t really know what Aikido’s ranking criteria are or what kind of quality control the system has built within it to ensure that everyone who reaches a certain rank is actually qualified to hold that rank. But whatever it was, clearly this individual didn’t have a firm grasp of wrist lock mechanics if you were able to resist them via brute force and punch them in the face with the free hand.
Now, if you basically never let them get the lock in the first place via brute force and knowing (artificially, since you would not know that that exact lock was coming in a real encounter) precisely what technique was going to be used on you, then ok yeah, then you might be able to resist and hit them. Even then though, they should have been able to flow into a more appropriate lock via your resistance.
As far as who actually is very good…well honestly I haven’t trained with too many aikidokas. I’m friends with one who is a black belt in Aikido, but he’s also a fairly high rank in the system I trained in, so I don’t know what his skill was like prior to training with my instructor. But, I do know that guys like Michael DePasquale Jr. and some Small Circle Jiu-Jitsu guys are extremely good at wrist locks and you absolutely would not be punching them in the face if they wrist locked you. [/quote]
In addition to what Sentoguy has written I would add that there are two sides to every story. Whenever I hear some tale like Malchir’s I take it with a grain of salt, simply because I wasn’t there to observe exactly what went wrong for the sensei. But it sounds like he got hurt for being nice.
A joint lock is exactly what it says it is. A joint is taken to the extreme limit of it’s range of motion, where any more movement will result in either torn soft tissues and/or broken bones. The only reason why one can roll with it is because of a slight backing off of the force so that severe injury doesn’t occur.
It sounds like what went wrong for that sensei is malchik knew what was going to happen so he had the opportunity to resist. Joint locks don’t work so well when your opponent has the opportnity to resist. But there is a simple trick to overcome that called a distraction technique.
