[quote]mikger wrote:
I studied it for several years with a traditional combat aikido instructor.
There are two forms that are taught. The most common is wishy washy where you work with your partner and pretty well go with the throws etc. This is pretty well useless imo.
There is also a combat aikido which is not commonly taught, where they teach you the hidden punches and kicks in an around the throws that are also a part of the art. And you also do not work with your opponent - if they are going to throw you, they are going to do it properly without you moving into and assisting with the throw.
If you can, try to find an instructor in this form of the art.[/quote]
That is more respectable than dancing around in your jammies!!
You can learn the same types of stuff in a Hapkido class without all the Japanese fanboys and without much of the “tradition” that most Aikido practitioners are known for.
Not to mention Aikido is largely a weapon driven art. Most instructors will dedicate a large amount of time on these things which only help to develop your sense of “inner peace” and control of your body.
If that sounds like something your into go for it but it wasn’t for me thats for sure.
[quote]wher0001 wrote:
Put an Aikido master in with these MMA idiots and he will whoop up on them like a retard with stuper-strength.[/quote]
I hope you’re joking. If you need to take it for credits eh, do what you need to do. Seriously though have you seen how ridiculous that douche segal is!! imo judo break falls are much more helpful. I wouldnt take it way to seriously like some people unless you like wearing dresses and are into interpative dance!!LOL how does an aikido master stop a double leg??? Mean muay thia kick to the head???a flying knee??? its the art of fighting without fighting???LOL!! IM not bashing if you enjoy it! Just questioning its usefulness…oh I’ve never seen an aikido master in an mma event or on a judo,wrestling,bjj matt or comp so I could be wrong buuuuut I doubt it[/quote]
You should check out Path Beyond Thought. I dind’t care much for Segal before I watched that, but after it changed my whole opinion of him.
I’ve done judo for about a year and brazilian jujitsu on and off for four years now. I have sparred a couple of aikido guys in the past. One completely stomped me. It was amazing. I threw elbows, knees, kicks, takedowns. I ended up on the floor every ten seconds, completely unharmed. That being said, he had 20 years of aikido experience.
I think judo is more immediately useful. Aikido takes a long time to be useful, even remotely.
Jesus, I never realized how many people hate on Aikido.
What’s it from? The way they run the classes? Or the people that take it? I’ve never seen a class or really talked to anyone who did it, only read a book about it… what’s the deal with this art?
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Jesus, I never realized how many people hate on Aikido.
What’s it from? The way they run the classes? Or the people that take it? I’ve never seen a class or really talked to anyone who did it, only read a book about it… what’s the deal with this art?[/quote]
Most do not like Aikido because its not an art you can learn in a few hours. A majority despite what they say on here are MMA fanboys just like all the others out there. Aikido does not lend itself well to MMA at all.
My problem however is more with the Japanese culture that goes along with Aikido.
The theory behind Aikido is good but the application from the Japanese side is lacking in my opinion. Hapkido is the same theory and some of the most fundamental moves are the identical but after that the application and class structure are completely different.
Watch some Hapkido videos and some Aikido videos and you’ll immediately see the similarities in theory applied in two very different ways. Be sure to watch class videos and demonstration videos.
Then it also comes down to Aikido being about sword fighting. Hapkido on the other hand has lent itself to the Korean Military so it has updated its weapons so it teaches defense against common weapons such as knives and handguns. It also teaches you how to apply Hapkido principles using baton or retractable baton which is what most security or law enforcement would have… not a sword.
If you are into meditation and soft moves than Aikido might be for you. If you like the theory of circular movement and energy mitigation but in a more forceful way you should consider Hapkido. If you are interested in MMA than Hapkido is better but you would probably do even better to look into Sambo which takes movements from Hapkido and Judo and combines it with wrestling.
[quote]goose27 wrote:
I think judo is more immediately useful. Aikido takes a long time to be useful, even remotely.[/quote]
Yeah, it’s an art that’s going to take lots and lots of time to get to the point where you can use it against a fully resisting opponent effectively.
I do think that, like others have mentioned, the breakfalls and wrist locks are useful though. But IMO, arts like Small Circle Jiu-Jitsu are better choices if you want wrist locks, and you can learn breakfalling from lots of other more immediately useful arts (like Judo, Sambo, Hapkido, wrestling, BJJ, etc…).
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Jesus, I never realized how many people hate on Aikido.
What’s it from? The way they run the classes? Or the people that take it? I’ve never seen a class or really talked to anyone who did it, only read a book about it… what’s the deal with this art?[/quote]
My Chayon-ryu school taught some Aikido & Hapkido techniques & I found them all enormously frustrating, because of the precision involved. I never could get it, but I’m more of the smash-and-grab type. It certainly did help me learn to keep my center of gravity low & pull my opponents low & close, which has proven to be extremely helpful.
I’d still tell the OP to take the class, because 1 - he needs a gym credit & nothing else that fits his schedule appealed to him. 2 - he may love it & want to continue his training, you never know. 3 - if he hates it, so what, its only one semester. Not enough time to become good, but enough to begin to grasp the concepts. 4 - when it comes to combat sports, you’ll never regret adding another tool to your tool box.
[quote]MilSpec105 wrote:
If you need a gym credit and you can’t take judo scrap the whole idea… New direction, Ballroom Dancing. Took it one semester, Chick goldmine.[/quote]
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Jesus, I never realized how many people hate on Aikido.
What’s it from? The way they run the classes? Or the people that take it? I’ve never seen a class or really talked to anyone who did it, only read a book about it… what’s the deal with this art?[/quote]
I took some classes under Kushida sensei. There was a lot of bowing and formality. If you are young and a little impatient like I was at the time it could be a little too slowwwww.
Since my teachers taught the hidden Chin Na in our kata and we worked at a faster pace I didn’t see much point in continuing with it. In addition to Chin Na we also studied Arnis which has an extensive set of joint locking skills. Which makes sense as Arnis has a lot of weapons in it.
I prefer Arnis and Chin Na but I wouldn’t knock Aikido. A lot of criticism comes from a lack of understanding of fighting. With any fighting art there are principles that apply to all of them, like timing and setup. ie A good boxer isn’t just going to mindlessly throw right crosses hoping one will score. He’s going to use a jab and footwork to set up his opponent and create an opening for it. The same principle applies with joint locking, you have to set it up. Plus if they are resistant there are tricks you can do to make your opponenet more compliant.
Part of the deal is there are people who just don’t want to put in the hard work and dedication that it takes to get good at something. So they come up with a rational to diss it. Aikido is not an art where you are going to learn something that you can immediately go out and use after class.
Controlling opponents in a humane manner is a big part of Aikido. It is a lot easier and quicker to learn how to maim or kill someone than it is to control them without doing permanent damage. The concept of dealing with people humanely is a big turn off to some people as well.
Controlling opponents in a humane manner is a big part of Aikido. It is a lot easier and quicker to learn how to maim or kill someone than it is to control them without doing permanent damage. The concept of dealing with people humanely is a big turn off to some people as well. [/quote]
Controlling opponents in a humane manner is a big part of Aikido. It is a lot easier and quicker to learn how to maim or kill someone than it is to control them without doing permanent damage. The concept of dealing with people humanely is a big turn off to some people as well. [/quote]
do the other people in the class make you shit?
Akido is just not cut out for Johnny bluegi.
I have been many many times to a good Akido school that was literally down the block from me in NYC.
coming from a heavy wrestling and Judo backround it was a nice change of pace for some interesting takes on
physics and some truly interesting breakfalls.
Controlling opponents in a humane manner is a big part of Aikido. It is a lot easier and quicker to learn how to maim or kill someone than it is to control them without doing permanent damage. The concept of dealing with people humanely is a big turn off to some people as well. [/quote]
Have you ever seen “Marked For Death”?[/quote]
I’ve seen a few Seagal films, that is probably one of them. I’m not trying to suggest that you can’t hurt someone bad with Aikido, just that brutality isn’t it’s image.
I know that joint locks can be very brutal. Part of the reason why Segal is able to flip and spin uke’s around with wirst locks is because he is giving them a chance to roll with the technique. If you apply locks faster than your uke can roll with it the joint will have to give.
Controlling opponents in a humane manner is a big part of Aikido. It is a lot easier and quicker to learn how to maim or kill someone than it is to control them without doing permanent damage. The concept of dealing with people humanely is a big turn off to some people as well. [/quote]
Have you ever seen “Marked For Death”?[/quote]
I’ve seen a few Seagal films, that is probably one of them. I’m not trying to suggest that you can’t hurt someone bad with Aikido, just that brutality isn’t it’s image.
I know that joint locks can be very brutal. Part of the reason why Segal is able to flip and spin uke’s around with wirst locks is because he is giving them a chance to roll with the technique. If you apply locks faster than your uke can roll with it the joint will have to give. [/quote]
[quote]kmcnyc wrote:
what is all the hate on martial arts as sports?
do the other people in the class make you shit?
Akido is just not cut out for Johnny bluegi.
I have been many many times to a good Akido school that was literally down the block from me in NYC.
coming from a heavy wrestling and Judo backround it was a nice change of pace for some interesting takes on
physics and some truly interesting breakfalls.
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Much more patient than I am. I lasted less than a month taking aikido. It felt like Judo’s retarded cousin.
I practiced aikido for nearly 2 years before I started judo full time. There are only so many ways the human body can move, so if you’re looking for easy/quick joint locks there are other arts for that.
Aikido really sells itself more of a philosophy rather than martial art. As mentioned above, it’s all about controlling someone in a humane and non-lethal way. Because it relies on a cooperative uke (partner) through the early stages of learning, you must learn how to relax and move freely (this becomes very important for good judo).
Breakfalls are also taught and practiced extensively. If you want to learn judo in the future, you can learn the breakfalls through aikido and already be skilled at them later.
Both aikido and judo emphasize off-balancing uke. It’s an essential part of every throw. If you can learn this art of off-balancing your partner now, that will also speed up your judo learning.
The biggest difference between judo and aikido (as I was taught) was the competition and minor technique variations. Competitions is highly regarded in judo (randori is an essential component of learning judo), and resistance to throws is common. In aikido, compliance is favored. In judo, often one is required to sweep a leg or forcefully trip an opponent, whereas these are not emphasized in aikido.
High level judo (and I mean high level at the extreme masters level) looks a lot like aikido. This is because the master judo players are very good at debana (timing) and kuzushi (off balancing) and require very little force to throw their opponent.
In short, aikido is good if you’re unable to play judo now (but want to later).