Opinion on Doug Hepburn?

Since you seem pretty eager to have this answered for whatever reason, I’m pretty sure he was over 25% body fat. This clearly means you should definitely not take any training advice from him. I personally recommend you focus on “quality muscle stimulation” and “intelligent nutrition” instead, i.e. read the bodybuilding forum, “stimulate not annihilate” and do carb backloading with intermittent fasting and spend your paper-route/parents’ money on a stack of 4-6 cleverly priced pre and post workout supplements so you can grind 2 plates for a creaky double after 5 years of training and snap selfies with the other mouth-breath…i mean, gym-brahs in the locker room. Don’t forget to quote John Meadows and Scott Abel articles in between sets :slight_smile:

[quote]theiceman13 wrote:
What do you guys think doug hepburn’s body fat was?[/quote]

[quote]theiceman13 wrote:

[quote]FlatsFarmer wrote:
He also banged out handstand pushups all day, every day. Hanging out, as a life guard at the beach, doing handstand pushups all day.

If you miss a couple lifts, or had a bad day in the gym, he recommended going to hang out at the beach for a day or 2. While there, forget about the gym and relax. Enjoy yourself and clear your head. And eat 40 hard boiled eggs.

First to bench 500(550?) right?

Maybe a little crazy, or kinda weird or something?

Anthony Ditillo, another one of my favorites, borrows and expands on a lot of Hepburn’s ideas.[/quote]

I didnt know he did bodyweight exercises such as handstand push ups, doing those at 280 to 300lbs is very impressive, it sure kicks out the therory that you need to be skinny to be great at push ups.[/quote]

[quote]FlatsFarmer wrote:
Years ago I read an article about, but not by Hepburn. The article mentioned Hepburn visiting Paul Anderson, maybe down in Georgia? I can’t remember the exact wording, and I don’t want to but words in anyone’s mouth; but who-ever wrote the article quoted Hepburn as saying something like when Anderson sat down his thighs and ass were like completely round, like he was “sitting on a ball” or something like that. Basically, he was calling Paul Anderson fat. So less fat than Paul Anderson.

-Punisher, have you ever tried the old-school back lifts like Anderson? Just a super-heavy, full body partial lockout type move? It’s like the heaviest, shortest range “lift.” Or just heavy partial squats in the rack or anything?[/quote]

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[quote]cparker wrote:
I always liked reading advice from great lifters before the internet was a thing, their knowledge seems more based in experience than loosely promoting some ideology on the internet.[/quote]

1000% agree. It’s to the point where I’m just no longer surprised when I read something from the early-1900s and realize that it’s still being used.
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Amen!
The sooner a lifter realizes size and strength are developed the same as they’ve always been the better.

[quote]Depression Boy wrote:
Since you seem pretty eager to have this answered for whatever reason, I’m pretty sure he was over 25% body fat. This clearly means you should definitely not take any training advice from him. I personally recommend you focus on “quality muscle stimulation” and “intelligent nutrition” instead, i.e. read the bodybuilding forum, “stimulate not annihilate” and do carb backloading with intermittent fasting and spend your paper-route/parents’ money on a stack of 4-6 cleverly priced pre and post workout supplements so you can grind 2 plates for a creaky double after 5 years of training and snap selfies with the other mouth-breath…i mean, gym-brahs in the locker room. Don’t forget to quote John Meadows and Scott Abel articles in between sets :slight_smile:

[quote]theiceman13 wrote:
What do you guys think doug hepburn’s body fat was?[/quote][/quote]

My goals are to be big and strong not to look good at the beach with a six pack, i am not once of those guys from the misc of bodybuilding.com who only get shredded for girls and think there gods gift.

Also i have my own money, i was just curious about Doug’s body fat.

Funny you created this thread because I actually started a cycle of training borrowing a lot of ideas from Hepburn. I got the idea of performing singles from reading about the way Hepburn trained and the first time I implemented it, I brought my deadlift to 500lb for the first time.

This time around, I’m doing something like this:

Example Squat day:

Squat 8-10x1-3
Front Squat 3x6
SLDL 3x6

Each day consists of primary movement + 1 assistance movement + 1 assistance movement for the other primary lift

I also wave load the weekly progression.

Week 1: 8x3
Week 2: 10x1 (add weight)
Week 3: 8x2
etc

The purpose of this is to undulate the load. Of course, I will not always hit target rep scheme. For example, the day could call for 8x3, but maybe I was only able to get 3x3, and the other 5 sets I could only do two reps. Then the next time I have to do 8x3, I will repeat and aim to get more sets of 3’s until I get AT LEAST 6x3 of the 8 sets, then I consider that as passed and I can bump weight up for next 8x3 day.

My apologies then.

From the photos floating around it appears his body fat fluctuated between the early and possibly late twenties. He was bound to call Paul Anderson fat since both had staked claim to the whole “strongest man in the world” title and Paul soundly beat Doug at most (probably all) lifts. Paul on the other hand clocked in at 400 pounds or so when he first benched 620+ in an exhibition but weighed in around 360 when he wasn’t going after a record of sorts.

[quote]theiceman13 wrote:
My goals are to be big and strong not to look good at the beach with a six pack, i am not once of those guys from the misc of bodybuilding.com who only get shredded for girls and think there gods gift.

Also i have my own money, i was just curious about Doug’s body fat.[/quote]

[quote]Depression Boy wrote:
My apologies then.

From the photos floating around it appears his body fat fluctuated between the early and possibly late twenties. He was bound to call Paul Anderson fat since both had staked claim to the whole “strongest man in the world” title and Paul soundly beat Doug at most (probably all) lifts. Paul on the other hand clocked in at 400 pounds or so when he first benched 620+ in an exhibition but weighed in around 360 when he wasn’t going after a record of sorts.

[quote]theiceman13 wrote:
My goals are to be big and strong not to look good at the beach with a six pack, i am not once of those guys from the misc of bodybuilding.com who only get shredded for girls and think there gods gift.

Also i have my own money, i was just curious about Doug’s body fat.[/quote]
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Oh its ok, you know when someone mentioned Doug on the misc, they ‘negged’ the user and called doug a out of shape fatty who needed to cut and a manlet…that site is a joke.

[quote]Depression Boy wrote:
My apologies then.

From the photos floating around it appears his body fat fluctuated between the early and possibly late twenties. He was bound to call Paul Anderson fat since both had staked claim to the whole “strongest man in the world” title and Paul soundly beat Doug at most (probably all) lifts. Paul on the other hand clocked in at 400 pounds or so when he first benched 620+ in an exhibition but weighed in around 360 when he wasn’t going after a record of sorts.

[quote]theiceman13 wrote:
My goals are to be big and strong not to look good at the beach with a six pack, i am not once of those guys from the misc of bodybuilding.com who only get shredded for girls and think there gods gift.

Also i have my own money, i was just curious about Doug’s body fat.[/quote]
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Wow this topic is NUTS

So weighing 190, if I bench 225x1 press 135x2 squat 315x1 deadlift 380x1 after 3 years lifting

Should I start doing singles at ~80% of those, until I stall, then triples

And expect 120lb gains in a year at squat and deads, and 60lb at pressing ? Seems HUGE. I’d instantly sign in for even half of these lol

Tonton-
Never stall. All reps should be smooth and powerful. Always leave a little something in the tank. The idea is that you’re going to lift around 75-80% over and over again. Over time you’ll add quality reps, really dominating that 75-80%. Eventually, what was 75 or 80% will feel like 65 or 75%.

So take 185 and bench it for six sets of 2. No problem! Next time do 185x3,2,2,2,2,2,1. Again, kinda easy. Nowhere near failure. After a few weeks you’ve added all kinds of reps here and there. The doubles and singles would become triples as you got stronger. Then you add a little weight, and lift it over and over.

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Well I understood that it consists of singles from 4 to 10 with a weight, and then up the weight, and so on… Until weight can’t be raised anymore and then working with triples

But that doubles approach is interesting also

Here’s the routine from Hepburn’s Law.

Upper/lower split: upper, lower, rest, upper, lower, rest, rest.

Exercises: squat, standing press, push press, bench press, bent row, standing barbell curl, deadlift. (There’s no actual split listed, just the upper/lower pattern above.)

Warmup: 4 sets of 8, progressively heavier, don’t wear yourself out with these
“Power” group: 8 sets of 2-3. Start with 1x3, 7x2 the first session; next session, 2x3, 6x2; work up to 8x3 over 8 sessions.
“Mass” group: drop the weight, do 6, 5, 4, 4, 4, 3. These don’t change from session to session.
“Flush/Pump” group: drop the weight, do a set of 10 where your goal is to get a good pump by the last rep.

Progression:
When starting, use a weight heavy enough that the last set of 2 in the power group is quite difficult; the most you can handle safely. Likewise, drop the weight so that the mass group is comparably difficult.

Keep the weights the same as you work toward 8x3 in the power group. Once you do that, add only 2.5lbs to the upper body lifts, and 5lbs to the lower body lifts, and repeat.

This is a very very slow progression, that, per the book, will prevent you from ever going “stale” or into any state of overwork. The work weight is supposed to function much like the “training max” in 5/3/1, where your actual max can be significantly higher.

I’m not sure I buy into the super slow progression personally, especially given his switch to the A/B routines later in life, and some of his other stuff mentioned in interviews and articles.

I have been using this routine with my overhead press over the past few weeks. It’s too early to say how well it works though, but (obviously?) the work weight feels lighter and lighter after you’ve been using the same weight for a few weeks.

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Well I’ve read +5lb and +10lb jumps in the other topic, with a potential +120 in a year for squats&deads, +60 in bench and press, seriously thats big numbers for an intermediate/advanced lifters IMO

Anyway I started today with singles followed by a pump set, not feeling the mass part since I’m in season playing football. I don’t want too much volume, will lift twice a week
I love this kind of explosive work, instead of grinding longer sets with medium technique

Very similar to Thibaudeau Russian SS, but the exercises are from the other Hepburn topic’s style (day A Bench, press, barbell curl, added overhead carry - day B squat, deadlift, added shrugs and Yoke carry)

A lot of the old time lifters used to do all sorts of handstand work. Even big Paul Anderson was cranking out handstand push-ups between his press sets in his training. John Grimek would often work as an artist’s model and would travel a lot, so because he didn’t have a lot of access to barbells at the time he would do something like 200 handstand push-ups a day. He had an excellent press for his size, supposedly it was his clean that was actually preventing him from pressing more in competition.

The clean gave Big Doug trouble too!

Like a 375 clean and jerk, but a 450 push press? Could you imagine?

[quote]FlatsFarmer wrote:
The clean gave Big Doug trouble too!

Like a 375 clean and jerk, but a 450 push press? Could you imagine?[/quote]

I know! Insane, right? Supposedly Grimek could push press 400 from the rack too. I believe it.

Yeah a brilliant lifter who got to his size and strength with over 10 years of solid training yet some guy said that he read a book where doug describes his routines, meal plan and steroid dosage, according to this guy, doug admitted in his book that he swollowed dianabol like sweeties…

[quote]theiceman13 wrote:
Yeah a brilliant lifter who got to his size and strength with over 10 years of solid training yet some guy said that he read a book where doug describes his routines, meal plan and steroid dosage, according to this guy, doug admitted in his book that he swollowed dianabol like sweeties…
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Just let it go.

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]theiceman13 wrote:
Yeah a brilliant lifter who got to his size and strength with over 10 years of solid training yet some guy said that he read a book where doug describes his routines, meal plan and steroid dosage, according to this guy, doug admitted in his book that he swollowed dianabol like sweeties…
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Just let it go.[/quote]

Lol let what go lol…what are you on about