The distinction should be wether or not someone IS or USED to be big. You don’t stay big forever.
Some of the best football coaches in this country used to play the game 10 or 15 years ago at an ok level but were no superstars. Now they coach and coach better than anyone else.
Should the players disregard their advice cause they wouldn’t be able to tackle a 115kg prop on the burst? That’s retarded.
Demonstrated success is the key.
[quote]zack726 wrote:
I think I may be being misunderstood. I’m not saying the small guy has the best advice. I just think that he should be allowed to give his opinion and not be flamed for it. I think it’s up to the reader to take what he wants from a forum - my opinion. Freedom of speech - america, f**k yeah!
And I’m not referring to any thread in particular. I’ve seen threads like this on this and other forums.[/quote]
This would be why
or
who would you want to listen to?
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
or
who would you want to listen to?[/quote]
Nice response, usmccds423!
[quote]zack726 wrote:
I think I may be being misunderstood. I’m not saying the small guy has the best advice. I just think that he should be allowed to give his opinion and not be flamed for it. I think it’s up to the reader to take what he wants from a forum - my opinion. Freedom of speech - america, f**k yeah!
And I’m not referring to any thread in particular. I’ve seen threads like this on this and other forums.[/quote]
And you really think real life works that way? If some guy wants to be a doctor, he should give a shit what people who dropped out of med school have to say about how to be one?
If someone wants to own their own business, they should waste time listening to all of the people who never owned one?
People are not flamed for simply not being “big enough”. Most of the people who are flamed are clearly relatively new to lifting and should be listening more than talking. they are the type who are simply repeating what they read somewhere and anyone with experience can point that out a mile away whether pictures are posted or not.
I have NEVER seen someone flamed simply because they weighed 217lbs instead of 220lbs. Specific body weight isn’t even the issue.
I would NOT listen to you as far as how to make my arms bigger. Can you guess why? It isn’t that you simply do not know how to train that muscle group in any way. It is because you have no clue what it is like to even be at a certain level I am trying to achieve or the obstacles in the way to do it. You only understand things up to the level you have reached…which is neither bad nor good but it damn sure doesn’t mean everyone should care what you have to say to guys who might want 19" arms after they already have 18" arms.
You have people on this site literally going out of their way to tell people that they simply can NOT reach their goals because it is impossible because of some calculator on the internet. If you think people like this should simply be accepted and never challenged, do you mind if I ask where your own “testosterone” is?
[quote]stockzy wrote:
The distinction should be wether or not someone IS or USED to be big. You don’t stay big forever.
Some of the best football coaches in this country used to play the game 10 or 15 years ago at an ok level but were no superstars. Now they coach and coach better than anyone else.
Should the players disregard their advice cause they wouldn’t be able to tackle a 115kg prop on the burst? That’s retarded.
Demonstrated success is the key.
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Who is arguing against this? Has anyone ever stated that someone should be avoided because they used to be big but lost weight?
Experience has always been the issue and if someone only weighed some hypothetical 160lbs yet had successfully trained guys to be extremely big and strong, no one here is going to knock them…but how often is this the case?
Of course, now people who are much smaller will need to define what “extremely big and strong” is to create yet another argument.
The thread referenced in the OP was started in the bodybuilding forum. If your experience is limited in that arena, no one will look past that except maybe other inexperienced people who don’t know better.
If that hurts some of the people here, maybe they should just learn to deal with it.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
And you really think real life works that way? If some guy wants to be a doctor, he should give a shit what people who dropped out of med school have to say about how to be one?
If someone wants to own their own business, they should waste time listening to all of the people who never owned one?
If you think people like this should simply be accepted and never challenged, do you mind if I ask where your own “testosterone” is?
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No, they shouldn’t, but they might benefit from some of what someone who has done a few years of med school but aren’t done yet, or someone who isn’t a doctor but has been nursing for 10 years says. Or in the other case, if you want to start a business, maybe you could learn something from someone who’s had a business that wasn’t that successful, because you can learn from what they did by not doing it.
I don’t think people should never be challenged, but I think they should be allowed to voice there opinion so that it CAN be challenged and thus both the reader and writer can benefit. That’s the whole point of a public forum.
My testosterone is me busting my ass in the gym, trying to get better. It’s not making a guy regret he asked a question/voiced an opinion online.
[quote]zack726 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
And you really think real life works that way? If some guy wants to be a doctor, he should give a shit what people who dropped out of med school have to say about how to be one?
If someone wants to own their own business, they should waste time listening to all of the people who never owned one?
If you think people like this should simply be accepted and never challenged, do you mind if I ask where your own “testosterone” is?
No, they shouldn’t, but they might benefit from some of what someone who has done a few years of med school but aren’t done yet, or someone who isn’t a doctor but has been nursing for 10 years says. Or in the other case, if you want to start a business, maybe you could learn something from someone who’s had a business that wasn’t that successful, because you can learn from what they did by not doing it.
I don’t think people should never be challenged, but I think they should be allowed to voice there opinion so that it CAN be challenged and thus both the reader and writer can benefit. That’s the whole point of a public forum.
My testosterone is me busting my ass in the gym, trying to get better. It’s not making a guy regret he asked a question/voiced an opinion online.[/quote]
Who the hell is being stopped from voicing their opinion? Are you talking about posts being deleted? Because if not, you have no point. Free speech means you get to speak…and so does everyone who disagrees with you. If you are trying to claim that because people who disagree can speak freely that this means others are being kept quiet, then again you have no point. It is no one’s responsibility to give others the balls to intelligently state an opinion. The problem is, many of these people have no valid opinion and thus get called on it.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Who the hell is being stopped from voicing their opinion? Are you talking about posts being deleted? Because if not, you have no point. Free speech means you get to speak…and so does everyone who disagrees with you. If you are trying to claim that because people who disagree can speak freely that this means others are being kept quiet, then again you have no point.
It is no one’s responsibility to give others the balls to intelligently state an opinion. The problem is, many of these people have no valid opinion and thus get called on it.
[/quote]
Professor X wrote:
If you think people like this should simply be accepted and never challenged, do you mind if I ask where your own “testosterone” is?
Yours is in the form of 30,000 posts on an internet forum.
Sometimes, I pass an hour wondering how you spend your day. I imagine it’s a mixture of working out, reading about muscles and nutrition labels, and sitting on the internet posting pseudo-advice, with a bit of work mixed in. I like to think you have a dog as well. A big lab, you know, that sort of looks like you? Like every dog owner and his dog?
It helps me to appreciate life that much more.
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Who the hell is being stopped from voicing their opinion? Are you talking about posts being deleted? Because if not, you have no point. Free speech means you get to speak…and so does everyone who disagrees with you.
If you are trying to claim that because people who disagree can speak freely that this means others are being kept quiet, then again you have no point. It is no one’s responsibility to give others the balls to intelligently state an opinion. The problem is, many of these people have no valid opinion and thus get called on it.
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YES! THIS! FUCK EVERYTHING ELSE IN THIS THREAD. AWESOME.
[quote]Foretaussi wrote:
Professor X wrote:
If you think people like this should simply be accepted and never challenged, do you mind if I ask where your own “testosterone” is?
Yours is in the form of 30,000 posts on an internet forum.
Sometimes, I pass an hour wondering how you spend your day. I imagine it’s a mixture of working out, reading about muscles and nutrition labels, and sitting on the internet posting pseudo-advice, with a bit of work mixed in. I like to think you have a dog as well. A big lab, you know, that sort of looks like you? Like every dog owner and his dog?
It helps me to appreciate life that much more.
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No, I actually live in the internet…seeing as how posting on this site is all I can do in a day and your focus on my post count is the most original thing I’ve heard in years.
Hows this for original? 
Member since Oct 2002 = member for 7 years and one month approximately.
= 85 months approx.
Approx. average of 30.5 days in a month approx.
= 2592.5 days of membership approx.
Posts= 30413
= 11.73 posts per day approx.
(couldn’t be bothered with exact numbers)
Now all we need is a little co-operation from X-
Please give us your average WPM on composition?
And then someone just needs to go through every single one of X’s posts, add up all the words, and find an average. Then we can find an average for time spent posting every day.
For example, if every one of X’s posts were as long as his last one, and his typing speed was 40wpm (which is fairly slow, in my opinion. Anyone want to take bets on how fast he can type?)
It would mean he spends a wopping 11.73 minutes!!! approx. everyday posting on this site.
How he finds time for anything else is a wonder. If we could just prove that he spends a significant amount more time on this site, we could…WE… COULD…Ummmm… PROVE SOMETHING!
Hang on! I didn’t allow for reading time!!.. Damn it! My theory is screwed! Now how will I prove…uh…what-ever it was that I was proving!!!
X, all respect.
Although my goals differ from yours, I have a lot of respect for what you say.
Because you’re a hyooge motherfucker. And you give advice about how you got hyooge.
To everyone else- take the advice of little guys on how to get big, if you want, it’s up to you. Theory has it’s place, sure. And good on guys who study theory and never put it into practice, you know, whatever.
But I know who I’d listen to.
[quote]tassietaekwon wrote:
Hows this for original?
Member since Oct 2002 = member for 7 years and one month approximately.
= 85 months approx.
Approx. average of 30.5 days in a month approx.
= 2592.5 days of membership approx.
Posts= 30413
= 11.73 posts per day approx.
(couldn’t be bothered with exact numbers)
Now all we need is a little co-operation from X-
Please give us your average WPM on composition?
And then someone just needs to go through every single one of X’s posts, add up all the words, and find an average. Then we can find an average for time spent posting every day.
For example, if every one of X’s posts were as long as his last one, and his typing speed was 40wpm (which is fairly slow, in my opinion. Anyone want to take bets on how fast he can type?)
It would mean he spends a wopping 11.73 minutes!!! approx. everyday posting on this site.
How he finds time for anything else is a wonder. If we could just prove that he spends a significant amount more time on this site, we could…WE… COULD…Ummmm… PROVE SOMETHING!
Hang on! I didn’t allow for reading time!!.. Damn it! My theory is screwed! Now how will I prove…uh…what-ever it was that I was proving!!!
X, all respect.
Although my goals differ from yours, I have a lot of respect for what you say.
Because you’re a hyooge motherfucker. And you give advice about how you got hyooge.
To everyone else- take the advice of little guys on how to get big, if you want, it’s up to you. Theory has it’s place, sure. And good on guys who study theory and never put it into practice, you know, whatever.
But I know who I’d listen to.
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I tried scanning this post and it didn’t work. Shit.
[quote]polo77j wrote:
chimera182 wrote:
polo77j wrote:
HolyMacaroni wrote:
there’s a lot of bullshit(ers) on this forum nowadays.
would you want to take driving lessons from a blind person?
how about typing lessons from a man with no hands?
so and and so forth.
get my drift big boy?
if someone weights 180lbs (as you say ‘under 200lbs’) i don’t see how they are going to help me get to 250lbs.
last example: onemorerep. dude looks awesome. like freaking awesome. and he knows his shit, no doubt. but do you think his advice is going to be completly applicable to waylander? prob not.
awwww, does the wittle OP feel left out because he can’t share his super secret squirrle tips with us b/c he’s not swole enough?
OH-NINE! lol
Because your trainer isn’t lifting the weights for you? Have you ever heard of the saying those who can, do and those who don’t teach? Maybe the dude under 200 lbs is a genius in the kitchen and with food timing or with technique and program design and has reached his ideal aesthetics or weight while the over 200 lbs dude just knows that squatting and eating gets you bigger legs.
They both might be able to help you reach 250, but one can do it better than the other … just saying it could happen HM, it could happen
As a future teacher, I hate that saying.
/hijack
Didn’t mean to put down the profession … just illustrating a point … (good) educators are a valuable commodity for the future of our country … good luck in that[/quote]
Thanks. I didn’t think you were, it’s just a pet peeve.
[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
chimera182 wrote:
Because your trainer isn’t lifting the weights for you? Have you ever heard of the saying those who can, do and those who don’t teach? Maybe the dude under 200 lbs is a genius in the kitchen and with food timing or with technique and program design and has reached his ideal aesthetics or weight while the over 200 lbs dude just knows that squatting and eating gets you bigger legs.
They both might be able to help you reach 250, but one can do it better than the other … just saying it could happen HM, it could happen
As Mac’s 6th grade teacher, I hate that saying.
/hijack
Fixed that for you.[/quote]
Very well played sir.
[quote]Mad_Duck wrote:
chimera182 wrote:
polo77j wrote:
Because your trainer isn’t lifting the weights for you? Have you ever heard of the saying those who can, do and those who don’t teach?
As a future teacher, I hate that saying.
/hijack
You can always trickle-down abuse on gym/shop teachers.
//hijack [/quote]
Haha, I don’t want to be labeled an anti-shopite. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
If someone wants to own their own business, they should waste time listening to all of the people who never owned one?
[/quote]
Yes, and he should listen carefully why they did not.
There are a lot of responsibilities involved you cannot simply walk away from.
[quote]orion wrote:
Professor X wrote:
If someone wants to own their own business, they should waste time listening to all of the people who never owned one?
Yes, and he should listen carefully why they did not.
There are a lot of responsibilities involved you cannot simply walk away from.
[/quote]
Hmmm, I think an actual business owner would keep you much better informed on those responsibilities
[quote]tassie wrote:
orion wrote:
Professor X wrote:
If someone wants to own their own business, they should waste time listening to all of the people who never owned one?
Yes, and he should listen carefully why they did not.
There are a lot of responsibilities involved you cannot simply walk away from.
Hmmm, I think an actual business owner would keep you much better informed on those responsibilities
[/quote]
But someone who shied away from it knows more about the alternatives!