[quote]buzza wrote:
More than 2 gr of protein are a waste of time/money (IF not juiced because of bigger proteins synthesis; so I was told for years from sport doctors/professors of rugby/water polo/american football teams.
I agree 110% that a bigger amount of complex carboidrates (PASTA) causes more energy and more strenght to lift big weights but my question is “why eat 5 gr of protein per kilo if my body can use just 2 gr to build new muscle?”
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Protein does more than just build muscle
I can’t tell if people are trolling me at this point…I’m looking to gain 20 lbs of BODY WEIGHT, not Muscle, not lean body mass. BODY WEIGHT. LOL @ the steak thing though. If I only gained 5 lbs. of lbm per year while in my 20s and lifting heavy & frequently I’d shoot myself in the throat.
[quote]AccipiterQ wrote:
If I only gained 5 lbs. of lbm per year while in my 20s and lifting heavy & frequently I’d shoot myself in the throat.
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that would be a terrible idea. there’s a decent chance that you could live through that and then you’d be screwed!
[quote]atg410 wrote:
I am neither big nor strong. I’m not pretending that I am, nor am I an expert. The following is just my opinion based on five years of observation of myself and others, a lot of reading and conversations with some very smart, very strong and very big guys.
I don’t really see anything wrong or shocking about what the trainer said. In fact, he’s probably dead on for 99% of people. Strength gains are largely a combination of skill, mental fortitude and NEURO-muscular adaptation. Gaining size helps with leverage and other factors but it isn’t the end all be all of strength gains. The vast majority of people could probably do better with a maintenance diet and consistent heavy lifting rather than any kind of “bulking” plan both in terms of strength gains and physique goals.
Do not delude yourself that the majority of your gains on a “bulk” will be muscular. Unless you are very consistent in the gym I would in fact doubt that a significant percent of new size would be muscular.
That said, there is only one way to get to 250 lbs. If your goal is increased size, increased calories are a must. Just be realistic about the fact that a) strength gains and size gains do not directly correlate b) neither are linear, and c) only a small percentage of weight gained will be muscle.[/quote]
There is a VERY strong correlation between muscle size (cross sectional area) and strength.
Bones allready ripped on you for the consistantly training comment but damn, I hope everyone else on here understands that it is assumed that training is consistant. I doubt any of the regular posters who is making progress has missed more than 2 week of training all year.
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
I think most people her do not realize how tremendous 25 lbs of muscle is.[/quote]
Honestly one of the best statements in this thread, right here.
A 200 lb male with %10 body fat has 180 lbs of lean body mass. This includes water, bone, organs, skin, hair, teeth, etc. Of that, some small percentage is actually muscle, lets say for our purposes it’s 50 lbs. To gain 25 lbs of muscle means you’re increasing your total amount of muscle by %50, a tremendous increase. And then to say that you’ve done it in 5 months…
Or, to put it another way: Go to the store and grab twelve 2 lb containers of ground sirloin and start slabbing them on to you, that’s what 25 lbs of muscle would look like.[/quote]
Oh for the love of all things sacred. I’m talking about lean body mass. NOT pure muscle. How would I even KNOW if what I gained was 75% muscle on my most recent bulk? I’d have to know what my bones, teeth, tendons, & organs weigh. I’m not sure how much clearer I can be on the issue. Regardless, to imply that when I gained 25 lbs. of lbm that only a half pound of it was muscle is ridiculous. [/quote]
Fucking oath!
Yes we realise that lean mass is not all muscle and that muscle is not all contractile tissue, but how are you going to break that down?
If I gain 10 pounds and my skinfolds go down, without increaseing my carb or sodium intake drastically, than I would say that is 10 pounds of muscle gain. Of course not all that is contractile protein, who gives a shit.
To the OP,
How well does the trainer know you and your previous bulking experience?
To tell you the truth I think I would try and discourage someone I didn’t know that well from trying to gain 20 pounds in 3 months. Poeple throw numbers around all the time and if you look at what he said as an average LBM gain over a year it is pretty accurate for a non beginner, however I agree that its not an absolute upper limit, espeacially over a short period like 3 months. Maybe you were talking about 2 different things.
I agree with what prof and others are saying that growth can come in spurts and that we souldnt assume everyone has average genetics, but that is a really high number to shoot for. Obviously you have had good success with this kind of bulking in the past so in your case I would say “why not give it a crack?”. As long as you understand and are comfortable with the idea that it is likely that you will gain around 10 pounds of fat.
Of course you will never know what your limits are if you dont test them, and this sport doesn’t reward moderation.
Doyle
Honestly, the fact that people still argue over Bulking/Cutting and Linear gaining is hilarious.
Do any of you actually compete? lol
Some stay leaner than others, but EVERYONE gains fat in the offseason.
The guys that stay truly lean and dry in the offseason fall behind all year, and then hope to catch up in the ~4week or so difference in the length of your conditioning phases. There’s a reason they’re still competing at Bantam/Light.
If you want to compete at Middleweight+ your going to get fat. Sorry.
Anyways Im going to go pound back some beef and rice. See you in the spring.
[quote]Doyle wrote:
To the OP,
How well does the trainer know you and your previous bulking experience?
To tell you the truth I think I would try and discourage someone I didn’t know that well from trying to gain 20 pounds in 3 months. Poeple throw numbers around all the time and if you look at what he said as an average LBM gain over a year it is pretty accurate for a non beginner, however I agree that its not an absolute upper limit, espeacially over a short period like 3 months. Maybe you were talking about 2 different things.
I agree with what prof and others are saying that growth can come in spurts and that we souldnt assume everyone has average genetics, but that is a really high number to shoot for. Obviously you have had good success with this kind of bulking in the past so in your case I would say “why not give it a crack?”. As long as you understand and are comfortable with the idea that it is likely that you will gain around 10 pounds of fat.
Of course you will never know what your limits are if you dont test them, and this sport doesn’t reward moderation.
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This is true; the trainer doesn’t know me TOO well, I mean I’ve seen him there a couple years, but we didn’t really start talking til the last couple months. I mentioned having previously bulked, but never said how well it went.
If youâ??re lucky you can get 1.5lbs of muscle a week. Everyoneâ??s body is different and reacts differently. The whole purpose of the bulking cycle is to put on size and overflow your body with calories/protein/carbs so your body can get big as possible. once youâ??ve done that bulking cycle for 3 months and put on a solid 10-15lbs of muscle then thatâ??s when your eat lean because the muscle was built from the bulking overflow cycle. So all you have to do now is to continue to hit the gym hard but slowly reduce the calorie and carb intake to your desired level. A lot of personal trainers are knowledgeable but also get a lot of their opinions from websites and magazines like we do. So before your take someoneâ??s advise research like you did here.
[quote]Fit4me87 wrote:
once youâ??ve done that bulking cycle for 3 months and put on a solid 10-15lbs of muscle then thatâ??s when your eat lean because the muscle was built from the bulking overflow cycle. [/quote]
Que?
Why would someone small only work on gaining for 3 months? You won’t gain much at all doing things this way and if you are gaining so much fat that you need to stop every 3 months. then you are eating or training wrong.
Point out to me ONE huge guy who got that way by ONLY gaining for 3 months at a time.
So far this year Iâ??ve made quite a bit of progress, and in the next 10 weeks I think I might be able to add another pound or two of muscle if everything goes right.
So far this year Iâ??ve made quite a bit of progress, and in the next 10 weeks I think I might be able to add another pound or two of muscle if everything goes right.
So far this year Iâ??ve made quite a bit of progress, and in the next 10 weeks I think I might be able to add another pound or two of muscle if everything goes right.
And he knows what he is doing. [/quote]
Yes, comparing Shelby to a beginner or even intermediate level lifter makes a lot of sense…?
So far this year I�¢??ve made quite a bit of progress, and in the next 10 weeks I think I might be able to add another pound or two of muscle if everything goes right.
And he knows what he is doing. [/quote]
Yes, comparing Shelby to a beginner or even intermediate level lifter makes a lot of sense…?
So far this year I�?�¢??ve made quite a bit of progress, and in the next 10 weeks I think I might be able to add another pound or two of muscle if everything goes right.
And he knows what he is doing. [/quote]
Yes, comparing Shelby to a beginner or even intermediate level lifter makes a lot of sense…?
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…Great minds…but I type faster.[/quote]
Nah, you’re black and so your data can run faster than mine.
