Some Californians from the early 1900s used to stage fights between grizzlies and other animals for the purpose of gambling. First they tried to use bulls, but not a single bull ever won. The grizzlies would kill them almost instantaneously by smashing their skull or breaking their spine with one swipe from their arms. No one would bet on the bulls so the owners brought in full grown male african lions. Guess what? None of them won either. The grizzlies just smashed their skulls in the same manner. True story. Google it.[/quote]
Well then, they should’ve brought in a rhino or something. That would be a sweet fight.
I have the feeling that horn could do some serious damage to the under-belly of a grizzly…
here is a video of a bear charging a guy… i think the bear was playing around considering the guy still had legs when he was through… ironically enough the website that hosts this video is for a bear defense spray lol
NOW how is 49 guys going to hang onto a single paw.
this is going to be like the scene out of lord of the rings, where the large guys are sending 3-5 guysflying with the single swipe of the scepter. you know, the scene where the big guy gets his finger cut off, and the ring is repossessed.
A 14ft 1900Lb bear with 4-6" claws and a paw as big as your chest. please.
And my situation isn’t one where people get to sit around and plot and hide. its a prison holding tank, lets say 50x50 or 20 yards by 20 yards. NO weapons, 50-100 men vs one bear.
[quote]djrobins wrote:
NOW how is 49 guys going to hang onto a single paw.[/quote]
With their hands. A bear may be able to play ball with a 700lb dumpster, but there’s no way it could easily move at least 7,350lbs with a single paw.
5 != 49
[quote]A 14ft 1900Lb bear with 4-6" claws and a paw as big as your chest. please.
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The bear in the picture was pretty big for a grizzly and its paws were only about 2/3 as big as that guy’s chest. 1,500lbs is also kind of big for a grizzly.
Also, in the video posted, that lion easily dodged a lot of the bear’s attacks. Humans are more intelligent than lions. If needed, they could see the bear winding up to swipe and begin moving out of the bear’s range before it even started the swipe.
Not that any of them other than the first few brave people would have to bother with dodging much, since the bear will have its paws firmly held on the ground by then.
Humans are more intelligent than lions, but they are also a lot SLOWER. Show me a man who can dodge that bear like that lion did. They don’t call them “cat-like reflexes” for nothing.
And what’s going to keep the bear from charging forward and biting any of the clowns that are allegedly holding on to its paws? It’s got hind legs, too. What makes you think you could even grip a bear’s front legs? It’s not like there’s handles on them. That whole “tug-of-war with the paws” idea sounds ludicrous.
I dont see that plan of 49 men holding onto its paws working. How the hell is there room for 25 men and 24 men on each of its front paws to hang onto? If by some freak chance as many men that could fit onto a bears paw, somehow got ONTO his paw, the bear would either smash them all into the ground killing all 25 ppl per paw at once. Or if it is too heavy, he will probably just eat them.
It would have to be corrdinated to perfection for 49 men to simultaneously grab onto a bears front legs and pulling it to the ground.
Did I mention that there is not enough room for even HALF that many men to hold onto the bears front legs?
The way our ancestors were able to kill bears with wooden spears was by surrounding the bear with hunting dogs, to keep it distracted while the hunters got close enough to let the spears fly.
I don’t see a way for a hundred bare-handed men to kill a Kodiak or Grizzly, unless twenty-five of them stepped out and had twenty-five trained tosas or mastiffs take their place.
Once the dogs broke the bear’s legs and ripped out his throat and belly, then the seventy-five men could rush in and finish the job.
You’d lose a few dogs and more than a few men, but I think this would be the only way.
Yes, I know it’s cheating, and probably cruel. But hey…cheating and cruelty are only human, after all.
The only thing I can possibly think of is just to keep drop kicking the thing in the kind legs. Like literally jumping into the legs with both feet with a good running start. Maybe after 50 guys got done doing that it would be immbolized, or at least slowed down.
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
The only thing I can possibly think of is just to keep drop kicking the thing in the kind legs. Like literally jumping into the legs with both feet with a good running start. Maybe after 50 guys got done doing that it would be immbolized, or at least slowed down.
We are talking about a large 1500-1900 LB 14-16’ long bear with claws 4-6" long and a paw nearly as big as a mans chest.
Released into a prison holding tank with 50-100 men in it.
The tank is 20 yds x 20 yds. NOt enough room or time to plan or improvise.
Men have hands and feet and their teeth, no rocks, sticks, or any kinds of weapons.
Well what about releasing a “Predator” from the movie in there? Or an “Alien” from the movie aliens? A being 10x or greater stronger than the strongest man, faster, quicker, too big and heavy for several people to knock over.
That bear and lion video was a joke, that bear was a BABY for crying out loud, the cat was not a baby, that was not a fair fight. A large bear of the same age as the lion is going to be alot bigger, and will equalize the situation because we all know the lion is more densly packed and quicker.
HOLY CRAP! I just thought of the perfect plan to totally ruin the bear’s shit! It would only take, like, 8 guys to pull it off! Challenge his whack ass to a dance off! You know that fuzzy mofo aint got no moves! He’d be totally embarrased when me and my peeps busted on his ass with our mad skillz!!
He’d be all, “Pssshh! What you think you gonna do, white boy?” And then I’d be like, “Shit fool, you betta recognize! I’m gonna lay some ill-ass moves down, so brace yo-self!!” Then me and my homies would bust out with some of the craziest steps anyone ever seen!! The bear would die from the the blood lost from having his face rocked off!!
[quote]kheaslim wrote:
I dont see that plan of 49 men holding onto its paws working. How the hell is there room for 25 men and 24 men on each of its front paws to hang onto?[/quote]
They grab and pull until there is no more room. Then while the ones who have grabbed continue to pull, the rest jump on their backs to add extra weight. When it is done, there will be a mound of people on each of the bear’s front paws.
He can’t eat them, a few brave people are in his face, ripping him up.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
The way our ancestors were able to kill bears with wooden spears was by surrounding the bear with hunting dogs, to keep it distracted while the hunters got close enough to let the spears fly.
I don’t see a way for a hundred bare-handed men to kill a Kodiak or Grizzly, unless twenty-five of them stepped out and had twenty-five trained tosas or mastiffs take their place.[/quote]
Surround the bear with men to keep it distracted while the rest of the men climb onto it from its blind spots. If the dogs can keep it distracted, why can’t the men?
[quote]grew7 wrote:
kheaslim wrote:
I dont see that plan of 49 men holding onto its paws working. How the hell is there room for 25 men and 24 men on each of its front paws to hang onto?
They grab and pull until there is no more room. Then while the ones who have grabbed continue to pull, the rest jump on their backs to add extra weight. When it is done, there will be a mound of people on each of the bear’s front paws.
If by some freak chance as many men that could fit onto a bears paw, somehow got ONTO his paw, the bear would either smash them all into the ground killing all 25 ppl per paw at once. Or if it is too heavy, he will probably just eat them.
He can’t eat them, a few brave people are in his face, ripping him up.
Varqanir wrote:
The way our ancestors were able to kill bears with wooden spears was by surrounding the bear with hunting dogs, to keep it distracted while the hunters got close enough to let the spears fly.
I don’t see a way for a hundred bare-handed men to kill a Kodiak or Grizzly, unless twenty-five of them stepped out and had twenty-five trained tosas or mastiffs take their place.
Surround the bear with men to keep it distracted while the rest of the men climb onto it from its blind spots. If the dogs can keep it distracted, why can’t the men?[/quote]
grew, your scenario would be comparable in scale to you taking on a medium sized pitt bull one on one. Give it a try and let us know how grabbing it’s paws and eye gauging it works out for you.
I also think you get a kick out of stirring the pot with ridiculous examples you truly don’t believe and seeing our responses. It is amusing.
Surround the bear with men to keep it distracted while the rest of the men climb onto it from its blind spots. If the dogs can keep it distracted, why can’t the men?[/quote]
Because the dogs are more inclined to fight without thinking of self-preservation, plus they can inflict more damage with their fangs and claws than the men could with fists, feet and strong words.
The men might pester the bear, but the dogs might actually disable it by chewing through its tendons or severing an artery.
You try biting a grizzly bear. See how much damage you do.
