[quote]grew7 wrote:
It may be hand-to-hand, but the humans are more intelligent. The bear can only rage and rage but the human group can plan how they’re going to fight the bear.[/quote]
The area is only as big as a football field. How long will they have to plan before the bear bites their ass off. But if you mean they can plan before-hand, I am sure the plan would fail and everyone is dead before plan B is implemented.
What can a human do to a bear with his hands? The only thing I can think of is gauging his eyes (maybe) but I doubt anyone is getting that close to his face without losing the upper half of their body.
And ‘no’ you would not have time to take the dead fatties bones and sharpen them into weapons, the bear will not fall asleep. The bear isn’t hungery it is PISSED, and won’ stop till all those dudes are dead.
That picture of the 1,600 pound bear said that it not only ate a hiker the week before and found human remains in its stomach but the hiker also unloaded 4 rounds from a .38 into it before it ate him and the bullets appeared to not have done any harm but minor inflictions. It suggested using no less than a large caliber magnum like a .300 and even that might be too small for a bear that size. So for you that think rocks and kicking will work think again.
For any of you that have ever been in a fight you know the additional adreneline rush that accompanies it. This bear would be so freakin pissed and in such an attack mode that I doubt 300 men could down it. And you are also forgetting the psychological effect you’d get after seeing the first raid of 25 guys get slashed in half with their organs spilling out over the ground.
A couple of guys, Ron Burgundy and a dog named Baxter is all you need. The bear will feast on the guys while Ron and Baxter dig a hole, then Baxter talks the bear down while Ron uses the remaining bones as sharp sticks. Place the sticks in the hole, the bear falls into the pit and voila, problem solved.
I love the “pick the bear up” idea…I thought I might choke from laughter!
People have a hard time picking up a damned house cat if it doesn’t want to be picked up! Multiply that by about a billion and you’ve probably got the potential of one sleepy, ancient, medium-sized bear.
You’re only good odds are to have a long, sharp object and enough distraction to get said object in its brain or heart (remembering that high-end hunting rifles don’t always make it through their skulls) or a damned good place to hide! I’ll vote for killing off the assholes in the group and using their bones as weapons. Or just wait for the bear to do it, pile up their bodies and climb out of whatever is holding you!! haha
A grizzly can break a full grown bulls neck with a single swat of it’s paw. The only plan the humans could have to be effective is to get the hell off of that football field.
As E-man said grizzlies have withstood multiple rounds from high powered rifles and still killed the shooter. Gauging it’s eyes and kicking it is laughable.
It all depends on if Mike Ditka is one of the 100 guys. Maybe 50 or 60 little Ditkas. Has Ditka taken his Levitra? There are too many factors to consider here. Either way, you know who wins?
Its a 50x50 astroturfed area with a 20 foot ceiling.
The bear is starved just to the point of need for food but not in energy deficit.
The thing you guys aren’t thinking about is the phsichology of the fight.
With each swipe, the bear will be able to tear thru several people at a time. It also can throw several people at a time , and if it falls from its hind legs on to you or several you are crushed.
If the bear is ontop of the crowd ( ala a rockstar ), if it starts thrashing it will ripping thru people.
WHen you see several of your buddies, torn thru in a matter of seconds with minimal effort I think the psychology of most will not be charging the bear, but getting out of the way.
I find it hard to believe the people will survive.
A better more real life scenario, is a bear that somehow got into a prison holding cell with 50 hardend criminals in it.
Imagine if you could create a dream team of the finest tacticians and warriors that ever lived to come up with a plan and fight this bear. Assuming that they will co-operate with each other and can understand one-another who would that list include?
I propose (feel free to add/dispute):
Commanders:
Julius Ceaser
Hannibal
Genghis Kahn
Alexander The Great
Sun Tzu
If these fellas couldnt come up with a plan nobody could!
Warriors:
6: David (as in David and Goliath)
7: Miyamoto Musashi
8: Masutatsu Oyamo
9: Robert The Bruce
10: Richard The Lionheart
Fearless and Brave heroes who’l lead the rest of the troops against the bear!
11-100: bit stuck here but I dont think you could go far wrong with 90 Viking Berserkers!
“The word berserker comes from two Norse words bjorn meaning bear or bare (naked) and serkr meaning shirt, a reference to the fact that a berserker warrior went into battle dressed in bear skins or without any armor at all. Berserkers thought that by wearing the fur of the bear, they would become possessed by the animal’s spirit and would gain its strength- a way of shape-shift into the animal’s form. Shape-shifting was important as their pagan gods also had this ability. The meaning of the word berserker is derived from another characteristic of this warrior- berserkergang- a word meaning crazed behaviour. Before a battle, berserkers spent hours working themselves into a frenzy by painting their faces, howling like animals, banging helmets, consuming large quantities of alcohol or eating hallucinogenic mushrooms. This crazed state, they believed, made them immune to pain and helped them shrug off the non-lethal blows by enemy weapons” http://www.cdli.ca/CITE/v_berserker.htm
YOU WOULDNT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THESE BOYS RUNNING AWAY! EVERY ONE OF THE DRUGGED UP MENTALISTS WOULD CHARGE AT THE BEAR!
Im not saying my team would definitely win but they would go down in a blaze of dismembered glory!
Imagine if you could create a dream team of the finest tacticians and warriors that ever lived to come up with a plan and fight this bear. Assuming that they will co-operate with each other and can understand one-another who would that list include?
I propose (feel free to add/dispute):
Commanders:
Julius Ceaser
Hannibal
Genghis Kahn
Alexander The Great
Sun Tzu
If these fellas couldnt come up with a plan nobody could!
Warriors:
6: David (as in David and Goliath)
7: Miyamoto Musashi
8: Masutatsu Oyamo
9: Robert The Bruce
10: Richard The Lionheart
Fearless and Brave heroes who’l lead the rest of the troops against the bear!
11-100: bit stuck here but I dont think you could go far wrong with 90 Viking Berserkers!
“The word berserker comes from two Norse words bjorn meaning bear or bare (naked) and serkr meaning shirt, a reference to the fact that a berserker warrior went into battle dressed in bear skins or without any armor at all. Berserkers thought that by wearing the fur of the bear, they would become possessed by the animal’s spirit and would gain its strength- a way of shape-shift into the animal’s form. Shape-shifting was important as their pagan gods also had this ability. The meaning of the word berserker is derived from another characteristic of this warrior- berserkergang- a word meaning crazed behaviour. Before a battle, berserkers spent hours working themselves into a frenzy by painting their faces, howling like animals, banging helmets, consuming large quantities of alcohol or eating hallucinogenic mushrooms. This crazed state, they believed, made them immune to pain and helped them shrug off the non-lethal blows by enemy weapons” http://www.cdli.ca/CITE/v_berserker.htm
YOU WOULDNT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THESE BOYS RUNNING AWAY! EVERY ONE OF THE DRUGGED UP MENTALISTS WOULD CHARGE AT THE BEAR!
Im not saying my team would definitely win but they would go down in a blaze of dismembered glory!
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The bear would first laugh at your collection and then proceed to kill them.
Having the best tacticians makes a difference if you have weapons and obstacles to forge a plan with.
You could have Gen. Mccarthy, but with 100 men with no weapons on a flat football field with no escape their going down.
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The bear would first laugh at your collection and then proceed to kill them.
Having the best tacticians makes a difference if you have weapons and obstacles to forge a plan with.
You could have Gen. Mccarthy, but with 100 men with no weapons on a flat football field with no escape their going down.
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A laughing bear as well? Maybe I should have thrown Richard Prior and Billy Connolloy in there to keep him amused whilst my Berserkers whip his ass!
I would beg to differ that tactics would play no part in this encounter. Do you think that there would be no better option than all 100 people charging simultaneousley? Maybe this might be the case but it wouldnt hurt having a few of the greatest combat masterminds in history on board to asses the situation…
The bear would first laugh at your collection and then proceed to kill them.
Having the best tacticians makes a difference if you have weapons and obstacles to forge a plan with.
You could have Gen. Mccarthy, but with 100 men with no weapons on a flat football field with no escape their going down.
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They would cut the bear’s water supply and then lay siege to it. The berserkers might be a better idea though, at least if they look like these “vikings” but on meth, a touch of heroin and pcp. http://www.iform.no/pub/art.php?id=648
The bear would first laugh at your collection and then proceed to kill them.
Having the best tacticians makes a difference if you have weapons and obstacles to forge a plan with.
You could have Gen. Mccarthy, but with 100 men with no weapons on a flat football field with no escape their going down.
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A laughing bear as well? Maybe I should have thrown Richard Prior and Billy Connolloy in there to keep him amused whilst my Berserkers whip his ass!
I would beg to differ that tactics would play no part in this encounter. Do you think that there would be no better option than all 100 people charging simultaneousley? Maybe this might be the case but it wouldnt hurt having a few of the greatest combat masterminds in history on board to asses the situation…
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In this situation a mastermind would develop a plan to get his ass off of that field. This would be like 100 ants attacking a weed whacker or lawn mower their going down.
[quote]gotaknife wrote:
E-man wrote:
The caption said when that sucker was on all fours that it was eye to eye with a 6 ft tall man. Over 12.5 ft tall on it’s hind legs. Correct me if I’m wrong but I think Polar bears get even bigger. I remember reading they were the largest land carnivore.
All power to the polar bear. Off the top of my head these get up to 2000lb and are well over 3m tall. A grizly aint’ got nothing on that. [/quote]
Your stats are a bit off. It’s a very close race between the polar gears and the grizzlies. The largest polar bear ever was estimated to weigh in at about 1960 lbs. The one in that photo was actually 14 feet from it’s snout to outstretched hind paws. In any case, I don’t think a bunch of dudes could take one down bare-handed.
[quote]orion wrote:
and yet our ancestors killed those fuckers with nothing but wooden spears…[/quote]
I think they did more “hiding and avoiding” than actual killing. We didn’t make it to the top of the food chain by being idiots. What’s a spear gonna do that 5 magnum rounds don’t? Of course, you could sneak up on a sleeping bear. That alone would take balls of titanium plated iron.
Defeating the bear would be a cinch.
Assemble all the other people in a group and say, “If you’re a vegitarian, raise your hand.” Then, grab one of the vegetarians by the feet and beat the bear to death with him/her.
*Note: Be sure to make a mental note of some of the other vegitarians so you’ll know who to grab if your original vegitarian breaks (becoming ineffective as a striking tool).
**Note: If there are no vegitarians in the group, you may use goths or yoga instructors as a contingency.
[quote]djrobins wrote:
The “environment” has no stick and stones.
Its a 50x50 astroturfed area with a 20 foot ceiling.
The bear is starved just to the point of need for food but not in energy deficit.
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A 50x50 foot featureless enclosure with nothing to make weapons from?
ARE YOU KIDDING ME? THOSE GUYS ARE SCREWED!
The world’s strongest and most savage fighters would do only minimal damage to a full grown grizzly. If you took the most focused human kick or punch it still would not have enough energy to break any of the grizzly’s skull, ribs, or arm and leg bones. The ideas about picking the beast up, piling up on it, or gouging it’s eyes out are laughable. Not a single man would be able to stay within striking distance of the beast for more than half a second. A single swipe of an arm or charge from the beast would result in a dozen or more guys getting taken out instantly.
Now a little background story:
Some Californians from the early 1900s used to stage fights between grizzlies and other animals for the purpose of gambling. First they tried to use bulls, but not a single bull ever won. The grizzlies would kill them almost instantaneously by smashing their skull or breaking their spine with one swipe from their arms. No one would bet on the bulls so the owners brought in full grown male african lions. Guess what? None of them won either. The grizzlies just smashed their skulls in the same manner. True story. Google it.
[quote]Tithonus81 wrote:
Not a single man would be able to stay within striking distance of the beast for more than half a second.[/quote]
That’s why we don’t have a single man. We have one hundred men.
Split into two groups of fifty. Each one sends a guy, from different sides but still the front of the bear, while the rest of their groups stays just far enough behind to not get caught in the swing. Bear swings at one of the guys, killing him. The rest of his group charges forward and grabs its paw. While the other paw is distracted by the single man on the other side, that man’s group also grabs the bear’s paw.
There are now two dead men and ninety-eight living men. Forty-nine men holding each of his paws. Forty-nine. That bear’s paws aren’t going anywhere. Each group gives up two or three men to attack the face. This isn’t some Chuck Norris bear, it can’t kill by just looking at them.
A couple of these brave men will sacrifice their lives by getting the bear to bite them while the other two or four men rip out the bear’s nostrils and eyes.
That bear is going to die if it’s blind and unable to smell anything more than the blood from its ripped nostrils.
