There’s a whole hell of a lot more to it than the physics here. Would you personally keep attacking something that had just gutted the guy next to you? I’m willing to bet 95% of people wouldn’t. I stand by my original statement, that if we functioned like a hive, I believe the men have a chance. The smothering idea sounded best, as that’s what bees do to hornets, but the bees STILL get fucked up, and don’t win as much as they’d like.
[quote]Dilligaf wrote:
Someone used the example that a bullet cannot kill a bear so humans cant, well bullets dont even kill humans. There have been numerous cases of people being shot several times and still living. As someone said earlier a bullet hits a very small area and is therefor ineffective.
Also they said a bullet generates 1500 foot pounds of energy, well i live in australia so i dont know how much that is (damn old fashioned measurements) but in joules a 100kg (only 225 pounds) human running at 10 meters per second has 5000 joules of kinetic energy, multiplied by 1 hundred thats 50 000 joules of kinetic energy charging at the bear. Now a car (approx 1 tonne=2250 pounds) driving at 100 km/hour=62 miles/hour has only 40 000 joules of kinetic energy.
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People don’t usually get shot with hunting loads that bears are shot with. People hit with high-powered rounds that someone is trying to hi them with usually get killed. The only reason so many survive is because of emergency medical service.
As for all this force, are all of these scared guys gonna run single file? In two or three parallel lines? They are NOT going to get all that force in one hit, and most people aren’t capable of running 10m/second, anyway, let alone all together.
This thread has proven very interesting, and ridiculous as Hell, with some of this stuff. “Break the bear’s legs, pick the bear up off the ground, a dozen guys in a swipe…” MAn, it’s been the hardest I’ve laughed in a while.
I like how people think they can make weapons out of peoples bones just like that. How in fuck can you get to the bones and pull them out shapen them etc without a knife? It’s not a video game. “Hey someone died…cool we got weapons!” Right! 
Entertainment at its finest.
Every suggestion except the bear would rip everyone an asshole across their face is laughable. Maybe if one of the guys could try and feed himself really fast to the bear and it might choke and die? Or at least get indigestion and hopefully constipation.
And the bear won’t get tired for a long long time…here is a quote:
“Along with their strength and deceptive speed, Brown Bears are legendary for their physical stamina. They are capable of running at full speed for miles at a time without stopping.”
As far as the bullett v. Rugby team:
You are assuming 100 guys charging the bear will all hit it at once. Maybe 2 or 3 guys could hit the bear at once, and you could do that repeatedly or from different angles, but 100 guys have 0 chance of colliding with a bear at one time.
How about one guy and a 300 Weatherby Magnum with a 180 grain soft point.
Even as cave men we didn’t try to fight straight up with bears. We chucked stuff at them, shot at them, and such.
The key is to have around 5 to 10 naafa - fat acceptance people in the group. Let the bear eat them in order to slow it down (if you are lucky it might die from a heart attack). After that you scavenge the bodies for bones to use as crude weapons. Ideally you will have some means to light a spark as you could use fat and clothing to produce torches, which would help in attacking the bear.
In groups of 20 you could attack the bear with torches and spears made out of human bones. at most you would loose 20 people with the rest needing therapy/anti-depressants for life.
[quote]Soco wrote:
The key is to have around 5 to 10 naafa - fat acceptance people in the group. Let the bear eat them in order to slow it down (if you are lucky it might die from a heart attack). After that you scavenge the bodies for bones to use as crude weapons. Ideally you will have some means to light a spark as you could use fat and clothing to produce torches, which would help in attacking the bear.
In groups of 20 you could attack the bear with torches and spears made out of human bones. at most you would loose 20 people with the rest needing therapy/anti-depressants for life. [/quote]
HHAH thats pretty jokes-"at most you would loose 20 people with the rest needing therapy/anti-depressants for life. "
[quote]bigroman wrote:
J.W. wrote:
Here’s what happened the last time a bear messed with me.
Phh you call that a bear.[/quote]
I know the bear looks pretty small, but that’s simply because I’m so HOOOOOOGE!!
[quote]bigroman wrote:
AlbertaBeef wrote:
Well, there’s never been a report of a bear attack on a group of four or more.
It isn’t like the stories in the media of bear maulings. If a bear so much as smells a human, they usually run away and you never even know it was there.
So given that bears run away from people as it is, and that they’re never going to attack a group of four or more… with 100 people you could easily chase the bear around laps of the football field to exhaustion, then stomp him while he’s down.
Are steel-toed boots allowed, or is it like 100 naked people?
Beef
Youre jokin right, if you tried that you’d be the one that gets exhausted and then stomped on, eaten shortly thereafter.
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July 2005, near Rocky Mountain House, Alberta. Hiking in a group of three, we see bear, we yell “HEY BEAR!” at bear, bear runs away.
I spend a lot of my weekends in Jasper National Park and Kananaskis Country. I never worry about bears. There’s no reason to if you’re properly informed.
^^^ Very good read.
Beef
[quote]E-man wrote:
The caption said when that sucker was on all fours that it was eye to eye with a 6 ft tall man. Over 12.5 ft tall on it’s hind legs. Correct me if I’m wrong but I think Polar bears get even bigger. I remember reading they were the largest land carnivore.[/quote]
Correct, i believe 12ish foot is the AVERAGE size for a polar bear, a polar bear would smash a grizzly
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Second, if the bear actually would have snapped your spine and choked down a mouthful or two of your worthless carcass, I would have shrugged with a “well, that was unexpected”, and went to work. [/quote]
Fucking classic, well played push…
Oh, and Alberta, your blanket statements are retarded. I’ve had 2 encounters with bears in my life.
One, the bear didn’t see me. The other, someone got attacked. Doesn’t sound too promising to me…
[quote]ArcaneCocaine wrote:
I like how people think they can make weapons out of peoples bones just like that. How in fuck can you get to the bones and pull them out shapen them etc without a knife? It’s not a video game. “Hey someone died…cool we got weapons!” Right!
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The original post says the bear is angry. The premise that if the bear is angry and enclosed in a football sized area of its natural habitat with the humans that it will immediately kill them all is laughable. Bears didn’t survive this long by being stupid. They will perceive the 100 humans as a big threat.
Most bear attacks on humans occur when the bear is surprised. Simply being angry I think there’s a big chance it will growl and show its position but ultimately NOT go on a rampage.
Of course there exists the possibility that it will attack, but even here it’s not set in stone that it will kill every last human. It might maul a few people and wander off looking for an exit.
So if the humans are given time to make weapons from a body then they should be able to handle it and improvise given enough time. If they are lucky they make weapons, are given the opportunity to attack when and how they want, and use strategy to defeat the bear.
A lot of people want to deviate from the original post and make it some 20 foot room with a giant bear that has been training to kill humans and starved; yes, in a situation like that the humans are in trouble.
[quote]Berserker88 wrote:
E-man wrote:
The caption said when that sucker was on all fours that it was eye to eye with a 6 ft tall man. Over 12.5 ft tall on it’s hind legs. Correct me if I’m wrong but I think Polar bears get even bigger. I remember reading they were the largest land carnivore.
Correct, i believe 12ish foot is the AVERAGE size for a polar bear, a polar bear would smash a grizzly[/quote]
No, they are actually very close in size. Read up on it.
[quote]Big Dan wrote:
The original post says the bear is angry. The premise that if the bear is angry and enclosed in a football sized area of its natural habitat with the humans that it will immediately kill them all is laughable. Bears didn’t survive this long by being stupid. They will perceive the 100 humans as a big threat.
Most bear attacks on humans occur when the bear is surprised. Simply being angry I think there’s a big chance it will growl and show its position but ultimately NOT go on a rampage.
Of course there exists the possibility that it will attack, but even here it’s not set in stone that it will kill every last human. It might maul a few people and wander off looking for an exit.
So if the humans are given time to make weapons from a body then they should be able to handle it and improvise given enough time. If they are lucky they make weapons, are given the opportunity to attack when and how they want, and use strategy to defeat the bear.
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So what if they corner the bear? They are going to try and kill it, after all. Aren’t animals most likely to attack when cornered? If the men start attacking it, I bet it would probably kill a few of them, then maybe run away. A few rounds of this and there aren’t going to be many men left.
As for making weapons out of femurs and such, how many people advocating that have pulled raw skin and chicken off the bone? That's hard enough to do, let alone pounds of bleeding muscle and skin. I suppose they could gnaw it off. Then they'd have some clubs, unless some bones were broken when the "parts man" was killed.
scott mendelson would kill the bear use the bear as a club to kill all the people then he would round house chuck norris
Doesn’t the bear have a lot of unfunctional mass?
a little video to remind us how weak we are compared to large animals. enjoy
[quote]Kratos wrote:
So what if they corner the bear? They are going to try and kill it, after all. Aren’t animals most likely to attack when cornered? If the men start attacking it, I bet it would probably kill a few of them, then maybe run away. A few rounds of this and there aren’t going to be many men left.[/quote]
Yeah once they corner it the bear is going to defend itself, but if the humans keep to themselves while preparing who knows.
Also, since we can choose the 100 people why not have a bear expert that can try to calm it down if it comes near while the humans prepare. If all else fails we can have Ronnie Coleman throw Gary Coleman at the bear to buy some time.
[quote]Kratos wrote:
As for making weapons out of femurs and such, how many people advocating that have pulled raw skin and chicken off the bone? That’s hard enough to do, let alone pounds of bleeding muscle and skin. I suppose they could gnaw it off. Then they’d have some clubs, unless some bones were broken when the “parts man” was killed.[/quote]
You’re right it would be difficult and quite sickening. With enough time it might work. The original post said it was the bear’s natural environment so they might have rocks to act as tools in this process. Then there’s always the chance that as soon as they start sacrificing someone the bear smells the blood and all hell breaks loose.
As for the situation where the humans have to fight tooth and nail, I wonder how much damage a back pivot kick from one of earth’s strongest men could deal to a bear. Probably the best bet here is back to the idea of Ronnie Coleman throwing Gary Coleman at the bear’s face and Gary flies superman style and gouges the bears eyes with his tiny fists upon impact. Ronnie will probably need more ammo to account for missing, maybe 20 midgets?
[quote]m0dd3r wrote:
Ashes wrote:
Problem Solved: The forward packs of the National rugby teams of New Zealand, Australia, South Africa, Somoa, England, France, Ireland, Argentina, Tonga, Wales, Scotland and Italy (thats actually 96, you wouldnt need the other 4).
Thats about 25,000 lbs of incredibly powerful and fast moving muscle that is already used to battling on a football field unarmed.
The original thread says any 100 people. If these guys bound together and charged at the bear it wouldnt stand a chance. Can anyone work out the force that such a body of men sprinting at a target could generate?
And Rugby players are specialists at charging en masse, if you’ve ever been in the front row of a scrum youl know what Im talking about.
One hit and that ol grizzly would be toast, you’re giving it too much respect, the impact of 100 big, strong and fast men stampeding would be totally devastating.
Heres just 15 of my bear whacking team:
I agree, I originally said overwhelming the bear and basically just smothering it would be the way to go. Even used the rugby bind as an example (I think). But actually using international ruggers, now that’s an idea.
Oh, and for the other 4, throw in a few backs to prance around dropping the ball to confuse the bear while the pack of 96 figures out how to bind that many guys into a single scrum.[/quote]
Ha Ha! That had me chuckling man! Im imagining all those thick skulled props trying to work out the 96 man bind! We’d need someone like Martin Johnson calling the shots!
But really, the people on the side of the bear are just exaggerating the strength of old Grizzly. Yes, big fekin scary animal! But just imagine 100 Rugby players charging at one target! Even if they split into 4 groups and converged on the bear thats a whole lot of strong, powerful and fast moving muscle putting in one huge motha of a hit!