This is how it would go down!
That bear would get OWNED!! Sucka!!
[quote]Digital Chainsaw wrote:
Ashes wrote:
malonetd wrote:
This thread makes me laugh. My friends and I used to make up scenarios like this all the time and debate about who would win.
Example: 3 mongooses, a pitbull, and a rhino against 2 lions and a potbelly pig?
I’ve allays wondered who would win in a fight between a huge Great White Shark and an equally sized Salt Water Crocodile!
I’d love to see em go at at it!
It’s the shark, hands down. There was a nature documentary on TLC titled Shark vs. Crocodile, and I expected to see them fight, but it was basically about a young croc that swam out of its territory into the open ocean and had to get the hell out of Dodge before a shark ate it.
Kind of disappointing, as they never actually fought, but the narration made it clear that on the shark’s turf, the croc was little more than prey.[/quote]
“Crocodile bites are second only to tyrannosaurus as the most powerful known bites of all time,” Dr Willis said. http://awesomenature.tribe.net/thread/0c6a3478-7042-4375-8959-097bfd09892d
As I understand it, if the croc is fast enough to get a bite in its goodnight Vienna. However Jaws would probabley be more agile and could get the first vital strike in! Im now thinking about this bastard Grizzley against an eqivalent Salt Water Croc going at it first on Land and then in a River!
Damn you for starting this thread Grew7! Im getting no work done since I started trying to answer this vital question!
I still stand by my 100 Berserkers would maul the bear argument!
“The word berserker comes from two Norse words bjorn meaning bear or bare (naked) and serkr meaning shirt, a reference to the fact that a berserker warrior went into battle dressed in bear skins or without any armor at all. Berserkers thought that by wearing the fur of the bear, they would become possessed by the animal’s spirit and would gain its strength- a way of shape-shift into the animal’s form. Shape-shifting was important as their pagan gods also had this ability. The meaning of the word berserker is derived from another characteristic of this warrior- berserkergang- a word meaning crazed behaviour. Before a battle, berserkers spent hours working themselves into a frenzy by painting their faces, howling like animals, banging helmets, consuming large quantities of alcohol or eating hallucinogenic mushrooms. This crazed state, they believed, made them immune to pain and helped them shrug off the non-lethal blows by enemy weapons”
[quote]Ashes wrote:
Digital Chainsaw wrote:
Ashes wrote:
malonetd wrote:
This thread makes me laugh. My friends and I used to make up scenarios like this all the time and debate about who would win.
Example: 3 mongooses, a pitbull, and a rhino against 2 lions and a potbelly pig?
I’ve allays wondered who would win in a fight between a huge Great White Shark and an equally sized Salt Water Crocodile!
I’d love to see em go at at it!
It’s the shark, hands down. There was a nature documentary on TLC titled Shark vs. Crocodile, and I expected to see them fight, but it was basically about a young croc that swam out of its territory into the open ocean and had to get the hell out of Dodge before a shark ate it.
Kind of disappointing, as they never actually fought, but the narration made it clear that on the shark’s turf, the croc was little more than prey.
“Crocodile bites are second only to tyrannosaurus as the most powerful known bites of all time,” Dr Willis said. http://awesomenature.tribe.net/thread/0c6a3478-7042-4375-8959-097bfd09892d
As I understand it, if the croc is fast enough to get a bite in its goodnight Vienna. However Jaws would probabley be more agile and could get the first vital strike in! Im now thinking about this bastard Grizzley against an eqivalent Salt Water Croc going at it first on Land and then in a River!
Damn you for starting this thread Grew7! Im getting no work done since I started trying to answer this vital question!
I still stand by my 100 Berserkers would maul the bear argument!
“The word berserker comes from two Norse words bjorn meaning bear or bare (naked) and serkr meaning shirt, a reference to the fact that a berserker warrior went into battle dressed in bear skins or without any armor at all. Berserkers thought that by wearing the fur of the bear, they would become possessed by the animal’s spirit and would gain its strength- a way of shape-shift into the animal’s form. Shape-shifting was important as their pagan gods also had this ability. The meaning of the word berserker is derived from another characteristic of this warrior- berserkergang- a word meaning crazed behaviour. Before a battle, berserkers spent hours working themselves into a frenzy by painting their faces, howling like animals, banging helmets, consuming large quantities of alcohol or eating hallucinogenic mushrooms. This crazed state, they believed, made them immune to pain and helped them shrug off the non-lethal blows by enemy weapons”
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Have you ingested any of these hallucinogenic mushrooms? Recently perhaps?
D
Somehow, I start to feel disgusted by this thread.
We really are a strange species of smart weaklings.
@most theories: utter nonsense. Grabbing bear’s arms, stomping him, how laughable.
How about peeing in his eyes to distract him?
The bear killing dozens per minute, also laughable. A bear’s not a killer machine and is easily confused by the sheer numbers. He is a creature of solitude and won’t really “fight”.
Alfred Brehm mentioned a story in one of his books about a guy getting mauled by a n icebear who totally surprised him. After trying to crush his skull without avail with his bite, like they do with seals, he just wandered off.
In case both the bear and the unlucky 100 receive special training, it’s getting pointless.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Somehow, I start to feel disgusted by this thread.
We really are a strange species of smart weaklings.
@most theories: utter nonsense. Grabbing bear’s arms, stomping him, how laughable.
How about peeing in his eyes to distract him?
The bear killing dozens per minute, also laughable. A bear’s not a killer machine and is easily confused by the sheer numbers. He is a creature of solitude and won’t really “fight”.
Alfred Brehm mentioned a story in one of his books about a guy getting mauled by a n icebear who totally surprised him. After trying to crush his skull without avail with his bite, like they do with seals, he just wandered off.
In case both the bear and the unlucky 100 receive special training, it’s getting pointless. [/quote]
Well no kidding Einstein :), you are correct the whole idea is pretty ludicrous. However, if an animal such as a bear were in an enclosed area and felt threatened by 100 weaponless humans, I feel they would be killed if the bear were so inclined. Whether that took twelve per minute or per hour, I’m betting the farm on the bear.
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Here’s what happened the last time a bear messed with me.
Problem Solved: The forward packs of the National rugby teams of New Zealand, Australia, South Africa, Somoa, England, France, Ireland, Argentina, Tonga, Wales, Scotland and Italy (thats actually 96, you wouldnt need the other 4).
Thats about 25,000 lbs of incredibly powerful and fast moving muscle that is already used to battling on a football field unarmed.
The original thread says any 100 people. If these guys bound together and charged at the bear it wouldnt stand a chance. Can anyone work out the force that such a body of men sprinting at a target could generate?
And Rugby players are specialists at charging en masse, if you’ve ever been in the front row of a scrum youl know what Im talking about.
One hit and that ol grizzly would be toast, you’re giving it too much respect, the impact of 100 big, strong and fast men stampeding would be totally devastating.
Heres just 15 of my bear whacking team:
[quote]Ashes wrote:
Problem Solved: The forward packs of the National rugby teams of New Zealand, Australia, South Africa, Somoa, England, France, Ireland, Argentina, Tonga, Wales, Scotland and Italy (thats actually 96, you wouldnt need the other 4).
Thats about 25,000 lbs of incredibly powerful and fast moving muscle that is already used to battling on a football field unarmed.
The original thread says any 100 people. If these guys bound together and charged at the bear it wouldnt stand a chance. Can anyone work out the force that such a body of men sprinting at a target could generate?
And Rugby players are specialists at charging en masse, if you’ve ever been in the front row of a scrum youl know what Im talking about.
One hit and that ol grizzly would be toast, you’re giving it too much respect, the impact of 100 big, strong and fast men stampeding would be totally devastating.
Heres just 15 of my bear whacking team:
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I agree, I originally said overwhelming the bear and basically just smothering it would be the way to go. Even used the rugby bind as an example (I think). But actually using international ruggers, now that’s an idea.
Oh, and for the other 4, throw in a few backs to prance around dropping the ball to confuse the bear while the pack of 96 figures out how to bind that many guys into a single scrum.
If you released the 14’ tall, 1800LB bear in a prison holding tanks. Say 20yd by 20yd. Not a football field, forest, but a tight enclosed space where you fight or die.
The bear will be threatened by the humans and will kill them. He won’t be threatened by the humans and curl into a ball, he will defend himself with intent to kill.
There was a video where a female cougar “scared” off a big bear. The bear backed down on purpose because there was no purpose in killing this mother, you could see the bear assess the situation and back away cause he saw the mother protecting its young. If the bear wanted, he could’ve hit it with a paw and that would be all she wrote.
In the prison holding tank, with 50 to 100 hardened criminals. 80% of who would rob their own mother at gunpoint or assault a family member over $5, that bear is going to be able to knock down 2-3 humans with each paw strike.
The psychological impact from seeing guys knocked down more than 1 at a time and killed, parts nocked off, etc is going to be immense.
[quote]Ashes wrote:
Problem Solved: The forward packs of the National rugby teams of New Zealand, Australia, South Africa, Somoa, England, France, Ireland, Argentina, Tonga, Wales, Scotland and Italy (thats actually 96, you wouldnt need the other 4).
Thats about 25,000 lbs of incredibly powerful and fast moving muscle that is already used to battling on a football field unarmed.
The original thread says any 100 people. If these guys bound together and charged at the bear it wouldnt stand a chance. Can anyone work out the force that such a body of men sprinting at a target could generate?
And Rugby players are specialists at charging en masse, if you’ve ever been in the front row of a scrum youl know what Im talking about.
One hit and that ol grizzly would be toast, you’re giving it too much respect, the impact of 100 big, strong and fast men stampeding would be totally devastating.
Heres just 15 of my bear whacking team:
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The popular 30-06 has 1500 foot pounds of kinetic energy at 500 yards, 500 yards one bullet! Imagine the energy at 50 yards. Grizzly’s as well as other large animals have sustained multiple rounds fired into them at ranges much closer then fifty and survived. Even with shots placed into vital organs that were fatal they have lived long enough to kill their attackers.
100 charging men could not build up the speed to deliver that kind of velocity. For them it would be like running into a wall with daggers. Without weapons, confined to their own flesh and bone, they are doomed.
D
If you released the 14’ tall, 1800LB bear in a prison holding tanks. Say 20yd by 20yd. Not a football field, forest, but a tight enclosed space where you fight or die.
The bear will be threatened by the humans and will kill them. He won’t be threatened by the humans and curl into a ball, he will defend himself with intent to kill.
There was a video where a female cougar “scared” off a big bear. The bear backed down on purpose because there was no purpose in killing this mother, you could see the bear assess the situation and back away cause he saw the mother protecting its young. If the bear wanted, he could’ve hit it with a paw and that would be all she wrote.
In the prison holding tank, with 50 to 100 hardened criminals. 80% of who would rob their own mother at gunpoint or assault a family member over $5, that bear is going to be able to knock down 2-3 humans with each paw strike.
The psychological impact from seeing guys knocked down more than 1 at a time and killed, parts nocked off, etc is going to be immense.
The only chance that the humans would have would be to jump the bear, pull-off its boy-o and testicles and hope that it bleeds to death (and doesn’t get pissed enough to kill everyone before it dies).
A friend of mine went to the Rockies and brought back a picture of two cars that were parked side-by-side. Someone left food in one of the cars and the Grizzle sat on one car (crushing part of it) as it tore the other car open like it was made of paper.
Grizzly bears can push down trees… think about that for a second. They are extremely strong and vicious when angered (so try hard not to piss-off a bear).
Punching a bear won’t hurt it (if a .38 can’t stop one, a punch sure as hell won’t), kicking a bear won hurt it either (unless you aim for the nuts).
Yes humans are smart, that’s we invented weapons and have the sense to stay the hell away from stuff that would eat us!
[quote]Dedicated wrote:
The popular 30-06 has 1500 foot pounds of kinetic energy at 500 yards, 500 yards one bullet! Imagine the energy at 50 yards. Grizzly’s as well as other large animals have sustained multiple rounds fired into them at ranges much closer then fifty and survived. Even with shots placed into vital organs that were fatal they have lived long enough to kill their attackers.
100 charging men could not build up the speed to deliver that kind of velocity. For them it would be like running into a wall with daggers. Without weapons, confined to their own flesh and bone, they are doomed.
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think about what you’re saying here for a second. You’re telling me that 100 men, say 200lbs a piece, with a total combined weight of 20,000lbs, can’t produce 1500 foot pounds of kinetic energy? I beg to differ. One study bshowed that a typical 8 man scrum can produce almost 5900 Newtons of force (about 1300 lbs). You think having over 12 times as many guys involved won’t increase the force to over 1500? The problem with the bullet not killing isn’t so much the force of impact as it is the size of the bullet. A 30 06 round is just too small to do much damage to a creature that size unless it’s an extremely well targeted shot and has the penetrating power to reach a vital organ or functional section of the brain.
I don’t care how fucking strong a bear is, if you’ve got a mass of bodies weighing roughly 15 to 20 times what the bear weighs running into it, it’s going over, no doubt about it.
Think about it this way, even the biggest and best football or rugby players get tackled sometimes, and that’s by guys usually no more than 1.5 times their body weight. Now imagine a 200lb man getting slammed into by 3000-4000lbs. He’s going down, and he’s going down hard. Same with the bear. He will most definitely kill some of the guys, and I’m sure some of them will end up trampled by other guys. And who knows if trampling the bear will kill it. But I can guarantee you that if 100 men, especially international rugby forewards as was mentioned earlier, were to bind together and hit that bear as one mass, he doesn’t stand a chance at staying upright. And I personally believe that if you can get him to the ground and get as many men as possible on top of him, you’ve got a pretty good chance of just crushing or asphyxiating him.
cheers,
Jay
Well, there’s never been a report of a bear attack on a group of four or more.
It isn’t like the stories in the media of bear maulings. If a bear so much as smells a human, they usually run away and you never even know it was there.
So given that bears run away from people as it is, and that they’re never going to attack a group of four or more… with 100 people you could easily chase the bear around laps of the football field to exhaustion, then stomp him while he’s down.
Are steel-toed boots allowed, or is it like 100 naked people?
Beef
[quote]AlbertaBeef wrote:
Well, there’s never been a report of a bear attack on a group of four or more.
It isn’t like the stories in the media of bear maulings. If a bear so much as smells a human, they usually run away and you never even know it was there.
So given that bears run away from people as it is, and that they’re never going to attack a group of four or more… with 100 people you could easily chase the bear around laps of the football field to exhaustion, then stomp him while he’s down.
Are steel-toed boots allowed, or is it like 100 naked people?
Beef[/quote]
Youre jokin right, if you tried that you’d be the one that gets exhausted and then stomped on, eaten shortly thereafter.
[quote]J.W. wrote:
Here’s what happened the last time a bear messed with me.[/quote]
Phh you call that a bear.
People here seem to have absurd ideas about just how strong a bear is. It’s a powerful animal, no doubt, but THREE or FOUR large men could take it on, never mind one hundred. Bear wrestling happens to be a “sport” of sorts.
[quote]Unisonus wrote:
People here seem to have absurd ideas about just how strong a bear is. It’s a powerful animal, no doubt, but THREE or FOUR large men could take it on, never mind one hundred. Bear wrestling happens to be a “sport” of sorts.
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Ya but i’ve never seen anyone wrestle a 1500lb pissed of grizzly.
The 100 people would win, definately.
I agree with Unisonus, the stregth of a bear has been exagerrated alot and we are talking about 100 people!
I do no belive for 1 second that a bear can kill 4-5, even a dozen people with one swipe. Think about it, the force and claws of the impact would be absorbed by one person, then the people around this guy would just be knocked over but not seriously injured. I swipe from a bear would not be able to cleave through masses of people.
After about 20 swipes i reckon the bear would start to get tired (thats only 20 people killed IF they were all just standing there and doing nothing) and his attacks would not be that powerful.
Someone used the example that a bullet cannot kill a bear so humans cant, well bullets dont even kill humans. There have been numerous cases of people being shot several times and still living. As someone said earlier a bullet hits a very small area and is therefor ineffective.
Also they said a bullet generates 1500 foot pounds of energy, well i live in australia so i dont know how much that is (damn old fashioned measurements) but in joules a 100kg (only 225 pounds) human running at 10 meters per second has 5000 joules of kinetic energy, multiplied by 1 hundred thats 50 000 joules of kinetic energy charging at the bear. Now a car (approx 1 tonne=2250 pounds) driving at 100 km/hour=62 miles/hour has only 40 000 joules of kinetic energy.
Plus a humans can come up with a plan while the bear stands there flailing his paws wildly.
My 100 would involved sumo’s, and the rugby forwards packs bodybuilders and some martial arts people to run around doing fly kicks lol.
Ya when you shoot a human though hes pretty much imobilized and will most likely die if he doesnt get medical attention, a bear just shrugs it of. Also you cant just multiple the force of all the people unless they like combine somehow, wich last time i cheked humans cant do that shit. Either way though my monies on the humans. Like get a fuken sumo dude to jump on him, that should do it, like go on a scale and jump up the force when you land is like 10 times youre bodyweight.