One Hundred People Versus a Bear?

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[quote]Bauer97 wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
I find it particularly amusing how everyone who has had any experience with wild bears, and who lives in places where bears run wild, all seem unanimous that the 100 men would have no chance in hell.

What about the other side? Is it safe to assume that those who favor the men in this fight know jack shit about bears?

Do we have any bear hunters, bear wrestlers, veterinarians or zoo keeper in the Nation? Anyone who actually has any first-hand knowledge of bear anatomy and behavior, who can think of a way for 100 unarmed men to kill an adult male grizzly bear before they are all slaughtered themselves?

While I certainly don’t live in an area populated by grizzlies, I do have 2 first-hand experiences with bears.

  1. camping in PA, a black bear came into the campground while I was out hiking and tore shit to pieces. I came back, saw it, and quickly resumed my hike in the opposite direction. It was gone when I returned an hour later, obviously terrified of my intimidiating presence.

  2. (and much more interesting) Hiking in northern New Mexico, a huge brown bear again decided to come into the neighboring campsite to investigate the tent of some moron boy who had candy wrappers in his tent.

The father of the boy who was sleeping in another tent about 20 feet away woke up, saw what was happening, and screamed “there’s kids in there!”, and charged at the bear. The bear reared up, swatted the living shit out of him, and then slowly retreated as the entire campsite of about 20 hikers screamed bloody murder at him and threw rocks.

The bear was shot by rangers the next day. No cool stories about hikers bones inside of him though. The Dad was majorly rocked by that one swipe though, tore his shoulder open down to the bone.

So, neither of my stories really expose anything relevant to our current situation besides the fact that a man will indeed charge a large bear if his child is in danger. He will, however, “get his shit ruined”, as I’ve heard several times on this thread.[/quote]

But apparently not killed in one blow, which was predicted by a lot of people.

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[quote]ExNole wrote:

But apparently not killed in one blow, which was predicted by a lot of people.
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This is true, but if that swipe was 6 inches higher, those claws are coming across his neck, and I’m pretty sure it’d be game over for him.

Also, that swipe threw him probably a good 6-8 feet sideways. I guess the debate comes down to just how quickly can a bear keep swiping grown men away, and whether the ones he doesn’t get to can actually inflict any serious damage.

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While I’ve never had a chance to meet a grizzly or kodiak, I have had a couple of run ins with black bears in upstate NY, and northern New England. They’re cute until you get within 15 or 20 feet of em and you suddenly realize that everything is now on his terms and it’s really no longer up to you what happens. Thankfully I’ve always been lucky and nothing’s happened, but I don’t like to think about what could have been if the bear had been pissed off or really hungry (or with it’s cubs).

That being said, I still think a lot of people are overestimating a bear’s ability to deal with a total onslaught of people. Being attacked by 100 of anything is going to overwhelm most creatures. Think about it, could you swat away 100 angry hornets? or mosquitos even? all at once? no, you couldn’t. And the size difference between you and a bug is a lot bigger than that between a bear and a man.

Either way, I think I’d rather take on a bear than a full grown bull moose (talking about bears in Maine got me thinking about it). We had one wander into our campsite once when I was in scouts. Thing was like 7 feet high at the fucking shoulder with a rack of antlers probably another 3 or 4 feet high. It didn’t bother us much, just sorta looked around and wandered off. But damn was it ever impressive. They may not have the claws and teeth of a bear, but with hooves the size of my face and antlers I could string a hammock on, I think they’d have a better chance of fighting off an onslaught of men (being able to kick behind, and rear and gore in front they’d have more angles covered at once). Hell, forget the 100 men, I’d like to see a 1500lb bear take on a 1500lb bull moose. Now that’d be a farking fight to see.

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One thing that many people I think are failing to put into the equation is that bears are fucking fast. They look like they shouldn’t be, the way they mosey along most of the time, but an adult male grizzly can run faster than a horse when he wants to. They are fast enough to slap salmon out of the rapids, which I imagine even Bruce Lee would have trouble doing on a consistent basis. :wink:

And who was it who said that the people would be able to get out of the way when they saw the bear “wind up” to strike? Sorry, Charlie. there ain’t no “windup”. It’s just a hundred mile an hour blur of hair, muscle and talons comin’ at ya. And that paw can easily crush the skull of a bull or a buffalo. Try that, Mike Tyson.

Take a look at these two male grizzlies fighting over territory. It’s like a sumo match between two exceptionally hairy half-ton yokozunas.

Bear in mind (yuk yuk) that they are not actually trying to hurt one another.

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[quote]grew7 wrote:
Look at its ears. Big enough to hang onto. If a guy jumped on its back, he could hang on the ears and just choke the thing. It can’t bite him back there and if it’s so strong then swiping at him will only make it injure itself. Get a man on top and the thing is toast.[/quote]

C’mon Cowboy!! Saddle up and let’s go for a ride. Just hang on to my ears and you’ll whoop me in no time!

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[quote]bboybean wrote:
Omnivore wrote:
Where do you guys live?
Have any of you ever seen a grizzly bear? Do you have ANY idea what you’re saying? A grizzly bear makes Ronnie Coleman look like a pussy. Ronnie is 300 lbs of serious “bad” and this thing is 5 times as big and 10 times as strong. It would tear through the crowd of men like they were toilet paper!! My money is on the bear!!!

So it could like leg press 22500lbs?
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Well, I’m not sure if the bear could press “exactly” 10 times what Ronnie does on the leg press machine. What I should have said is that the bear has 10 times the “Functional” strength of Ronnie. There is a HUGE difference!!

And everybody knows that adult grizzlies toss the 35 lb dumbells around like legos!!

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:
One thing that many people I think are failing to put into the equation is that bears are fucking fast. They look like they shouldn’t be, the way they mosey along most of the time, but an adult male grizzly can run faster than a horse when he wants to. They are fast enough to slap salmon out of the rapids, which I imagine even Bruce Lee would have trouble doing on a consistent basis. :wink:

And who was it who said that the people would be able to get out of the way when they saw the bear “wind up” to strike? Sorry, Charlie. there ain’t no “windup”. It’s just a hundred mile an hour blur of hair, muscle and talons comin’ at ya. And that paw can easily crush the skull of a bull or a buffalo. Try that, Mike Tyson.

Take a look at these two male grizzlies fighting over territory. It’s like a sumo match between two exceptionally hairy half-ton yokozunas.

Bear in mind (yuk yuk) that they are not actually trying to hurt one another.[/quote]

This is all true. Consider the weight and strength it takes for a bear to stand still in rapids, while waiting for salmon, that would smash a man to pieces. Their strength and endurance far surpasses anything man is capable of. For him to swat through fifty men would be like you are I repping out out 225 fifteen times… easy. A brief rest and the other fifty are done.

I have seen video of a full grown grizzly bear charging and taking down a full grown adult bull moose. The one poster is correct a full grown moose could easily kill many people and a hungry grizzly will attack one without hesitation.

Some posters keep saying the sheer mass would bog the grizzly down, but what they fail to see is that mass would be like toilet paper easily shredded through instead of concrete that would crush the bear.

Grizzly and even black bears easily throw around two hundred pound or more boulders while searching for grubs. You never hear of a person surviving a bear attack because they overpowered the bear. Only because the bear thought the threat was over and ended the attack.

I read of a grizzly attack in Montana where when the rangers finally killed it there were at least six of them with 30-06’s and 12 Ga. mag slugs and it took over twenty rounds to kill the beast. Now that is a tuff mo fo.

On a side note I have always read that the mighty Cape Buffalo of Africa is the most dangerous game as far as meanness, toughness, and durability.

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[quote]Dedicated wrote:
I have seen video of a full grown grizzly bear charging and taking down a full grown adult bull moose. The one poster is correct a full grown moose could easily kill many people and a hungry grizzly will attack one without hesitation.[/quote]
You don’t want to mess with a moose either. They’ll STOMP ya! This one hangs around my buddy’s back yard. It’s only a two year old male but it can easily take you out!

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[quote]patpwnt wrote:
Could 100 little gnomes that weighed 20 pounds each take you out? Not me.[/quote]
I’ll have another heapin’ serving of fresh gnomes, please! “I WANT YOU IN MY BELLY”!!

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I dunno if this has been posted but… You get 100 orange pants wearing crazy mofos like this guy and you may have a fighting chance…

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Ha - I posted that john west ad further back - there’s also a sequal where he trys to escape on a scooter with his salmon

‘Look an Eagle !’

Classic

although the kung fu master bear with the ali shuffle might just be even more classic…

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[quote]JG wrote:
I dunno if this has been posted but… You get 100 orange pants wearing crazy mofos like this guy and you may have a fighting chance…

Finally someone has convinced me. 100 of them fellers and you may be right. Don’t get between a man and his fish oils.

D

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ah found it -

http://randsco.com/index.php/2006/02/24/john_west_salmon_bear_fight_1

you’ll want the video underneath the credits section

‘go go go’ - Hilarious !

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Okay, maybe the humans can’t get close enough to eyegouge, but they can sure as Hell throw dirt at the bear to blind it. Temporary or not, blindness is going to ruin it. And they may even be able to gouge its eyes after throwing sand in its face. If not, they just keep throwing sand at it every few seconds. Problem solved. Bear killed.

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[quote]grew7 wrote:
A slightly bigger than normal, angry, adult, male grizzly. Wherever the grizzlies naturally live, except it’s only the size of a football field. The people can be whoever you want, but no weapons. They have to fight this bear with their own selves. They may use the torn limbs of fallen friends as weapons against the bear.

I think you could get like ninety of them to surround the bear, then scare and confuse it while the rest split up. From the group of ten, two could work on poking its eyes out and then climbing on it wrap their legs around its neck to choke it, while the last eight people, hold down its legs. Two per leg.

Well?[/quote]

In all honesty… since this would be taking place in the bears natural environment the size of a football field. Not an actual football field. We know its a male grizzly so its not protecting its cubs. Im not sure if the grizzly would attack 100 people screaming and shouting.

If you stayed as a large group and scared off the bear eventually it would cool off. Its a slight bigger than normal grizzly bear, and as the average weight of grizzly bears is generally 400 to 600 pounds. We could assume a 600+ lbs grizzly bear. I do not see how a grizzly bear could kill 100 men grouped together.

I figure some would climb trees immediatly… grizzlys arent very good tree climbers so these men would be relatively safe unless the grizzly got very hungry (then as someone mentioned these crazy men would have to jump at the bear… i dont see this as being very effective).

I dunno if you would be able to hold down the bear with hands… What I would think about doing is keeping as a group until the bear cooled down. Then taking articles of clothing and tieing them together to make a strong enough rope to either catch a leg of the bear or prehaps a few nets, you’d have to eventually catch all 4 legs to subdue it and hope the bear doesnt break through your clothing rope. Or find a way to capture it through the use of nets.

I think eventually you’d have a good chance of somehow capturing the bear. Then you’d could try to choke it to death using the rope of clothing… drag it off a cliff… starve it to death… use a pair of glasses and try to light its fur on fire and burn the bitch.

You’d lose a few men once you start trying to subdue the bear at first, but there have been numerous people who have survived a bear fight by putting up a fight or playing dead. If the bear attacked one person all the others would have to do is charge and scream and yell flail their arms in hopes to scare it away.

It’d be a tough task but with some very experienced trappers and hunters you would be able to take it down in a matter of days…

As for people being afraid, have you ever seen people in a riot setting with a large crowd? They do not seem very cowardly… A large group of rowdy men would give you courage and a lot of adrenaline.

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[quote]bluebear wrote:
ah found it -

http://randsco.com/index.php/2006/02/24/john_west_salmon_bear_fight_1

you’ll want the video underneath the credits section

‘go go go’ - Hilarious ![/quote]

Oh that is just priceless! I love how the bear is running on its hind legs and still catching up to him…

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[quote]J.W. wrote:
HOLY CRAP! I just thought of the perfect plan to totally ruin the bear’s shit! It would only take, like, 8 guys to pull it off! Challenge his whack ass to a dance off! You know that fuzzy mofo aint got no moves! He’d be totally embarrased when me and my peeps busted on his ass with our mad skillz!![/quote]
Whoah dude! Those are some crazy-ass dance moves. Your “mad skillz” almost made me forget that . . .

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