Is the bear succeptable to a “kick in the nuts” - or “punch to the nuts” style of attack?
Where the bear views the 100 weaponless people as a threat, he will be incapacitating ( i should say decapitating ) before he starts munching.
Another defence is under a pile of corpses.
Our bear case also, was not a normal bear you see at a state park, but a case of one of the largest bears ever.
wow, I almost gave this thread a TSB when it started but it’s turned out fantastic.
my $.02, I think the best option would really be to just charge the bear and try to trample it. Yeah, the guys in the front of the attack would get mauled and trampled themselves, but if you got all 100 guys together, arm in arm or bound arms around waists or backs (think world’s biggest rugby maul) and just charged the bear, he’d be overwhelmed and eventually crushed.
Even if you only got half the guys into the pile alive, that’s 7-10 thousand pounds. You’d crush the bottom half of the pile too, but that bear would die.
Regarding the people talking about making weapons out of the bones of the dead, didn’t someone say that big ass bear in the picture had been found with the bones of a hiker in it’s stomach? looks like the bear would eat all the bones to keep the men from making weapons. crafty bastards they are.
Is the bear succeptable to a “kick in the nuts” - or “punch to the nuts” style of attack?
Where the bear views the 100 weaponless people as a threat, he will be incapacitating ( i should say decapitating ) before he starts munching.
Another defence is under a pile of corpses.
Our bear case also, was not a normal bear you see at a state park, but a case of one of the largest bears ever.
People are giving the bear too much credit. They see this huge bear and think “nothing can defeat this wild magical beast!!” 100 people shoulder to shoulder is a lot of people, especially for one bear. They all charge at once, encirle the bear and ruin its shit.
Someone mentioned that they would attack the bear if their child is in harms way. We simply threaten the herd of people that if they don’t kill the bear, their wives and children will be slowly fed to him. Cowardice problem solved.
I think the band together and crush the bear by sheer weight is probably the best idea, although I’m getting a vision of Neo bursting out of the pile of Agent clones and sending them flying everywhere…
I think 100 people would take the bear, just because you have to remember that the bear will not have strategy on his side, he’s just going to react and he’ll really only be able to do that to a few guys at a time. I think a group of 5-10 would be able to distract him and surive long enough to allow the rest to come from behind and dogpile. I know bears are amazingly strong, but you get a crushing mass of 50-60 people just piling on top and he’s not really going to be moving too much.
I think you would have to go “Red Sea style” to do it. Get 45 people on one side and 45 on the other in two columns. Have the remaining 10 incite the bear and get it to charge at them between the two columns. Both sides collapse and dogpile. I think you could get the bear to charge as it’s thinking strategically and probably wouldn’t view the people standing still and quiet in two columns as a threat over 10 guys yelling and waving their arms around. Then everybody piles on and the sheer weigh of the human dogpile brings the bear down. He snaps and paws at those near him, but he’d have trouble throwing people off, so the dead bodies would still be crushing down on top of him. Eventually his eyes would get gouged out. He can’t bite a human head clean off, his teeth would get occupied for a few seconds and that would be enough to get some jabs in. Over time, his eyes get gouged out.
I imagine the bear eventually freeing himself, blind and crazy with rage with about 10 people still alive. From there it would be a matter of those 10 people just avoiding the insane bear long enough to formulate a plan to kill it. This would probably be pretty difficult, but the “femur spears” might be able to do the job. I don’t think it would be that hard to avoid the blind bear with so many human bodies around to distract it’s scent. It would become a waiting game that I think would favor the humans.
I think 100 humans could do it, but probably not 80.
[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
I think the band together and crush the bear by sheer weight is probably the best idea, although I’m getting a vision of Neo bursting out of the pile of Agent clones and sending them flying everywhere…
I think 100 people would take the bear, just because you have to remember that the bear will not have strategy on his side, he’s just going to react and he’ll really only be able to do that to a few guys at a time. I think a group of 5-10 would be able to distract him and surive long enough to allow the rest to come from behind and dogpile. I know bears are amazingly strong, but you get a crushing mass of 50-60 people just piling on top and he’s not really going to be moving too much.
I think you would have to go “Red Sea style” to do it. Get 45 people on one side and 45 on the other in two columns. Have the remaining 10 incite the bear and get it to charge at them between the two columns. Both sides collapse and dogpile. I think you could get the bear to charge as it’s thinking strategically and probably wouldn’t view the people standing still and quiet in two columns as a threat over 10 guys yelling and waving their arms around. Then everybody piles on and the sheer weigh of the human dogpile brings the bear down. He snaps and paws at those near him, but he’d have trouble throwing people off, so the dead bodies would still be crushing down on top of him. Eventually his eyes would get gouged out. He can’t bite a human head clean off, his teeth would get occupied for a few seconds and that would be enough to get some jabs in. Over time, his eyes get gouged out.
I imagine the bear eventually freeing himself, blind and crazy with rage with about 10 people still alive. From there it would be a matter of those 10 people just avoiding the insane bear long enough to formulate a plan to kill it. This would probably be pretty difficult, but the “femur spears” might be able to do the job. I don’t think it would be that hard to avoid the blind bear with so many human bodies around to distract it’s scent. It would become a waiting game that I think would favor the humans.
I think 100 humans could do it, but probably not 80.
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Think of the hundred people as a big juicy tomato. Now think of the Grizzly as the blades of blender.
Drop tomato into blender and hit the high speed button.
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Because I’m easily distracted I went ahead and simulated it 
Totally made-up parameters: 1% chance per two seconds for a human in the mob to seriously hurt the bear, two-kills-per-second rate for the giant grizzly bear (right-click and save, doesn’t work directly off the net for me):
http://www.angelfire.com/psy/javagames/temp/bearVsHumansSim.avi
So I give it to the bear in just under 1 minute 30 s but some nutjob crawling over it might bite off a testicle or two
(Edit : uploaded and indexed :))
Stephen Colbert approves of this thread.
[quote]thomasWaterless wrote:
Because I’m easily distracted I went ahead and simulated it
[/quote]Hmmm. Here’s all I got when I tried to access this content.[quote]
“If you are the owner of this Angelfire site, and you want these pages and files to be accessible to visitors, you must create an index.html page that links to them, or direct visitors to an alternate main page.”
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So…get to it! Either that or upload the video to your My T-Nation profile. It had just better be worth it. 
Thanks.
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I remembered that polar bears are the biggest and meanest bears, so I googled it up. And guess what … they’re on the anabolic diet! hmmm … curious
Also, humans pretty much suck at everything in the animal world, we got by with these things stuck on our shoulders and maybe the odd opposable thumb.
Maybe midgets riding mastifs on the anabolic diet?
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
You need John Candy and a rifle with a lamp at the muzzle…[/quote]
Oh man. What a great movie.
[quote]Dedicated wrote:
Think of the hundred people as a big juicy tomato. Now think of the Grizzly as the blades of blender.
Drop tomato into blender and hit the high speed button.
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Yeah, but if you put enough stuff in the blender, it stops up and overheats.
Eventually you’d hit a “critical” point where the sheer mass of human bodies could overwhelm the bear. I estimate that critical point at about 80 bodies. It may be more, may be less, but there is some number of humans that could do it.
[quote]Ashes wrote:
malonetd wrote:
This thread makes me laugh. My friends and I used to make up scenarios like this all the time and debate about who would win.
Example: 3 mongooses, a pitbull, and a rhino against 2 lions and a potbelly pig?
I’ve allays wondered who would win in a fight between a huge Great White Shark and an equally sized Salt Water Crocodile!
I’d love to see em go at at it![/quote]
It’s the shark, hands down. There was a nature documentary on TLC titled Shark vs. Crocodile, and I expected to see them fight, but it was basically about a young croc that swam out of its territory into the open ocean and had to get the hell out of Dodge before a shark ate it.
Kind of disappointing, as they never actually fought, but the narration made it clear that on the shark’s turf, the croc was little more than prey.
[quote]Tithonus81 wrote:
Now a little background story:
Some Californians from the early 1900s used to stage fights between grizzlies and other animals for the purpose of gambling. First they tried to use bulls, but not a single bull ever won. The grizzlies would kill them almost instantaneously by smashing their skull or breaking their spine with one swipe from their arms. No one would bet on the bulls so the owners brought in full grown male african lions. Guess what? None of them won either. The grizzlies just smashed their skulls in the same manner. True story. Google it.[/quote]
Don’t believe everything you read on the internet. Yes, such fights were staged from the mid-1800’s until the early 1900’s as entertainment (mostly for gold rush miners), but the bears did not have a monopoly on victory.
If the bear could use his weight to bring the bull down off of its feet, he could hold it down and tear its throat out, thus winning the match. However, if the bull could remain standing and, more importantly, moving, he could effectively gore the bear and eventually kill it.
Eventually, word of these fights got back to the east coast, likely due to the line of people responsible for depositing the mined gold into New York banks and from this, we get the terms “bear market” and “bull market” to reflect stock trends. Stocks are down (favoring the bear)= bear market. Stocks are up (favoring the bull)= bull market.
Looks like we found our answer. 1 man…no weapons. That man is Arnold.
I find it particularly amusing how everyone who has had any experience with wild bears, and who lives in places where bears run wild, all seem unanimous that the 100 men would have no chance in hell.
What about the other side? Is it safe to assume that those who favor the men in this fight know jack shit about bears?
Do we have any bear hunters, bear wrestlers, veterinarians or zoo keeper in the Nation? Anyone who actually has any first-hand knowledge of bear anatomy and behavior, who can think of a way for 100 unarmed men to kill an adult male grizzly bear before they are all slaughtered themselves?
Well, I saw the video of that bear fighting the lion, and to be honest, I think you could take him. Make him like five times bigger, add ninety-nine off you, and you’ll be fine. Your side’s weight would have increased much more than his with all those extra people.
Anyway, you could have these people be acrobats. Have groups of people stand on each others’ shoulders and hang on to each other. You have four people, then four on them, then four on them. Then you have a really big, but still lean guy climb to the top. Do this seven times and you’ll have nine people left over.
You have the remaining nine people piss off the bear and get it to charge the acrobats. As the bear gets near, the big men on top jump off and try to aim at the bear, hopefully kicking it in one of its vulnerable places, like the head and neck. They might even break its back if they can all hit it there.
You’ve got seven towers of people ,each with a big guy on top. Like 300lbs. Combined, that’s 2,100lbs of man. Hitting the bear right on the back. Hell, even if they miss and only hit its head and neck, they’ll still probably hurt it badly.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
I find it particularly amusing how everyone who has had any experience with wild bears, and who lives in places where bears run wild, all seem unanimous that the 100 men would have no chance in hell.
What about the other side? Is it safe to assume that those who favor the men in this fight know jack shit about bears?
Do we have any bear hunters, bear wrestlers, veterinarians or zoo keeper in the Nation? Anyone who actually has any first-hand knowledge of bear anatomy and behavior, who can think of a way for 100 unarmed men to kill an adult male grizzly bear before they are all slaughtered themselves?
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While I certainly don’t live in an area populated by grizzlies, I do have 2 first-hand experiences with bears.
camping in PA, a black bear came into the campground while I was out hiking and tore shit to pieces. I came back, saw it, and quickly resumed my hike in the opposite direction. It was gone when I returned an hour later, obviously terrified of my intimidiating presence.
(and much more interesting) Hiking in northern New Mexico, a huge brown bear again decided to come into the neighboring campsite to investigate the tent of some moron boy who had candy wrappers in his tent.
The father of the boy who was sleeping in another tent about 20 feet away woke up, saw what was happening, and screamed “there’s kids in there!”, and charged at the bear. The bear reared up, swatted the living shit out of him, and then slowly retreated as the entire campsite of about 20 hikers screamed bloody murder at him and threw rocks.
The bear was shot by rangers the next day. No cool stories about hikers bones inside of him though. The Dad was majorly rocked by that one swipe though, tore his shoulder open down to the bone.
So, neither of my stories really expose anything relevant to our current situation besides the fact that a man will indeed charge a large bear if his child is in danger. He will, however, “get his shit ruined”, as I’ve heard several times on this thread.