I read on another post (dont remember which) that a 1 arm snatch was the best indicator of your vertical so I was wondering what peoples 1 arm snatches are and their vertical jumps (as well as height and weight) thanks,
TR
yeah, prolly not. the one arm snatch is more trap dominant than the regular snatch.
if 1 arm snatch is not the best indicator than what exercise is- and what are some peoples numbers in that exercise along with their vertical?
TR
the long answer: it doesn’t work that way. the vertical jump is an exercise all in its own. all other exercises will affect the VJ in different ways.
let me rudimentarily break it down. when seeking a great VJ one must address the associated muscles’ strength, strength-speed, speed-strength, and speed. a classic strength exercise is squat; a classic strength-speed exercise is clean; a classic speed-strength exercise is snatch; and a classic speed exercise is medicine ball throws.
which of those four exercises are you worst at? up that one and your VJ will go up. but if you’re poor at VJs anyway no exercise will make it go up better than the VJ.
the short answer: the power snatch. although some guys with lower power snatches than other guys can still jump higher.
I think the hip snatch is better indicator than the power snatch. Just eliminate the part from the floor to knees.
i think push jerk is a better judge than 1 arm snatch.
hey Xen…now that you mention it, there was a post here in T-Mag, years ago (thankfully I archived it)…about throwers using the push jerk and power snatch from blocks.
While it is unwise to assume that all track & filed athletes should train the same…I see there is a good correlation between these lifts and general athleticism in track & field.
[quote]skullcowboy wrote:
I think the hip snatch is better indicator than the power snatch. Just eliminate the part from the floor to knees.[/quote]
why is that? i dont disagree. i dont even think that the power snatch is the best barbell exercise to determine VJ (just a more well known one that’s pretty good).
Since the VJ is a faster lift and would be best suited to early placement in a training session, why not just use the VJ as the best indicator of the VJ. Then your following relative performances in a snatch/clean/push press and a squat/deadlift could be a better indicator of what to TRAIN in order to increase the VJ.
I like to use the VJ as a way to test how taxed I am during my workouts.
Beginning of workout I jump and hit a spot on the wall, if i can hit that same spot (or pretty close to it) at the end of my workout I’m pretty fresh. If I can’t, I better be sure to eat assloads and do the proper recuperation.
I used this as a guage back when I trained 2x a day. (mma/weights). If my vertical went down It’s obvious that I’m running on fumes.
Seperate issue, man no one can doubt the effectiveness of O-lifts… the verticals of Olifters are NUTS despite their body weights!
Here’s some vert.
[quote]wufwugy wrote:
skullcowboy wrote:
I think the hip snatch is better indicator than the power snatch. Just eliminate the part from the floor to knees.
why is that? i dont disagree. i dont even think that the power snatch is the best barbell exercise to determine VJ (just a more well known one that’s pretty good).[/quote]
Well…I’m not saying that the snatch is the beginning and end of VJ training…just a tool that has been proved effective.
I’ve found my VJ to increase as my overhead squat weight increases