OMG Cedric McMillan

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[quote]hanban wrote:

[quote]zraw wrote:

[quote]hanban wrote:
lol @ poeple thinking he got that big with HRT doses.[/quote]

That is nowhere near what has been said[/quote]
Be afraid be very afraid because come prep time when all cylinders are firing…“the freakz come out at nite”

thats exactly what that means. 2 options:

  1. he’s been on HRT for his entire career and now going full blown = bullshit
  2. he’s recently been on HRT and now back to full blown =a short break cruise irrelevant and meaningless time frame in terms of development and its just a trainer self promotion stunt.[/quote]

Actually what that means is

  1. your reading comprehension is very subpar and that currently he is on HRT (and thats the only thing being said and was said)
  2. your reading comprehension is very subpar and he must be the best Cedric he can become in the offseason with heavy training, food and limited ergo aids…because thats all he has available to him…so again youll see a 290 offseason bodybuilder probably get onstage next time at 275 to 285 pounds…now how the hell did he only lose 10-15 pounds if im not telling the truth here?
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[quote]zraw wrote:

Thats how I took the message.

Kind of like what Jay Cutler and Antoine Vaillant (lol funny to include both names in same sentence) do. Meaning he would grow into his prep

I may be wrong[/quote]

You would be exactly right…finally a guy who can figure it out.

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[quote]Scott M wrote:
Way,

I don’t see it as stirring up shit… to be fair he made that thread on a relatively small board(there are 35 people viewing the Dogg Pound right now) and I see it at this.

A lot of guys on these boards swear up and down that pros are blasting high dosage hormones year round and he’s saying this go round Cedric is taking a different approach. That’s really it. He’s trying something that Dante feels might be a better compromise health and longevity wise and we will see if an improved Cedric comes out the other end and sticks around the sport for a long time, and avoids the pitfalls health wise a large percentage of pros/top amateurs seem to fall into. People can read into it more than that and attach their own biases and assumptions and of course I could have his intentions wrong but that’s how I’m seeing it.
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Agreed.

I would like to hear Dante’s take on this. The “opinion” of anyone else not directly involved couldn’t mean less than it does right now.

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[quote]Scott M wrote:
These arguments are coming at you from all sides Dante…maybe we should make you a classic muscle car thread over at IM to change the subject for once. [/quote]

Good idea…id have much more fun doing that

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[quote]Scott M wrote:
Way,

I don’t see it as stirring up shit… to be fair he made that thread on a relatively small board(there are 35 people viewing the Dogg Pound right now) and I see it at this.

A lot of guys on these boards swear up and down that pros are blasting high dosage hormones year round and he’s saying this go round Cedric is taking a different approach. That’s really it. He’s trying something that Dante feels might be a better compromise health and longevity wise and we will see if an improved Cedric comes out the other end and sticks around the sport for a long time, and avoids the pitfalls health wise a large percentage of pros/top amateurs seem to fall into. People can read into it more than that and attach their own biases and assumptions and of course I could have his intentions wrong but that’s how I’m seeing it.
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Well if that’s really what he was going for I can’t knock that, fair enough.

I’m still curious how big a role insulin/HGH play in these reduced AAS protocols though.

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Doggcrapp. I apologize for jumping the gun about you doing this for personal training as it seems your not into it anymore. However, my point still stands. I am obviously not the only one who has seen your low AAS/high GH related posts on PM. I don’t care what dosages you or your guys use but it just seem disingenuous not to share the whole story. To act like you didn’t say this for publicity or attention is also disingenuous. All I was trying to do was call bullshit out where I saw it because I am honestly sick of crap like this. It is misleading. Either share the whole story or don’t share anything at all. I already said that I thought Cedric McMillan didn’t use high dosages to begin with so idk where all the “omg you think you need x amount of grams to grow argument came from”. You are an intelligent dude, no doubt, and I am sure you know exactly what kind of reactions your going to get when you say shit like this. You might get a couple extra forum views or a little publicity but don’t think any advanced bodybuilder who uses low or high dosages is going to fall for it. God, I wish morepain would post in this thread. And again, for the dummies, I am not arguing moderation vs abuse. I am arguing against the message that was implied in the first post and that message was "Cedric looks like this on HRT dosages because of my super secret “insert fancy training technique here”/“insert fancy super sup protocol here”.

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[quote]bigandstrong24 wrote:
Doggcrapp. I apologize for jumping the gun about you doing this for personal training as it seems your not into it anymore. However, my point still stands. I am obviously not the only one who has seen your low AAS/high GH related posts on PM. I don’t care what dosages you or your guys use but it just seem disingenuous not to share the whole story. To act like you didn’t say this for publicity or attention is also disingenuous. All I was trying to do was call bullshit out where I saw it because I am honestly sick of crap like this. It is misleading. Either share the whole story or don’t share anything at all. I already said that I thought Cedric McMillan didn’t use high dosages to begin with so idk where all the “omg you think you need x amount of grams to grow argument came from”. You are an intelligent dude, no doubt, and I am sure you know exactly what kind of reactions your going to get when you say shit like this. You might get a couple extra forum views or a little publicity but don’t think any advanced bodybuilder who uses low or high dosages is going to fall for it. God, I wish morepain would post in this thread. And again, for the dummies, I am not arguing moderation vs abuse. I am arguing against the message that was implied in the first post and that message was "Cedric looks like this on HRT dosages because of my super secret “insert fancy training technique here”/“insert fancy super sup protocol here”. [/quote]

You got all that from my simple post on intensemuscle? The facts I think i stated were
HRT
Cedric
Thats the truth. Again take it from a guy who has seen many a 6’1 bodybuilder fully loaded…this guy would weigh 40 pounds more fully loaded…up in ronnie and gunther schlierkamp, marcus ruhl, nasser 330-340 offseason territory…he is “only” 288 and thats because im telling the truth here.

As far as gh, Ill give you my take on it definitely because you arent reporting it right…and I know scottM reads that board and can verify this.
I have seen people explode into freakdom on GH on as little as 3ius a day…virtually everyone doesnt…but there are rare individuals that just transform on that stuff…everyone grows on steroids to varying degrees, everyone gets some fat loss from gh and maybe a little body recomp…but there are some rare individuals that just explode off of it. Now i dont know where you get the “boatloads of gh” stuff from because that sure isnt me saying that…I dont think ive ever quoted anything over 3 ius a day in any post (i really dont have a dosage recommendation for anyone on it…i just report that it transforms certain rare individuals)…now there are some crazy guys at ProM who use astronomical amounts…I dont think I should be lumped in with their posts…because thats their posts.

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I am not arguing his potential. In my first post, I wrote, my bodybuilding friend in the know thinks Cedric McMillan and Victor Martinez would be mega freaks if they upped the dose. I have absolutely nothing bad to say about Cedric or his potential. My only problem was the flaunting of whatever dose he was currently on to justify the competencies of your coaching skills/training knowledge/whatever protocol Dusty mentioned.

If I was a coach who believed body weight one legged pistol squats gave you Ronnie Coleman legs and come on here and post a picture of me teaching Ronnie how to do a one legged pistol and acting like he got that way because of me and not the brutal training effort, YEARS in the gym, GENETICS and 800 pound squats he was doing. You wouldn’t be offended?

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lol, i can’t believe Dante is wasting time with this troll.

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[quote]zraw wrote:

[quote]hanban wrote:
lol @ poeple thinking he got that big with HRT doses.[/quote]

That is nowhere near what has been said[/quote]

WEll i sort of said it. But I said it more of as a question because I really didnt know what Dante was trying to imply.

I dont know dick about Dante’s drug philosophy so dont take my words as authority on anything in this thread.

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[quote]kaisermetal wrote:
lol, i can’t believe Dante is wasting time with this troll.[/quote]

Doubt hes a troll. Obviously a long time member of this board with a new screen name.

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I feel like people tried to extrapolate too much detailed information out of a very vague post, and this thread/argument ensued.

I didn’t think it was that uncommon for guys to use more moderate dosages in the offseason (and even cruising on HRT-type doses occasionally) and then blasting hard pre-contest? I’m surprised people are surprised.

Ok, natty stepping out of the ring, lol.

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Whatever it takes to get big DC posting on T-Nation I’m all for… Keep Trolling!

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[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
Whatever it takes to get big DC posting on T-Nation I’m all for… Keep Trolling![/quote]
haha, indeed!

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[quote]bugeishaAD wrote:
I feel like people tried to extrapolate too much detailed information out of a very vague post, and this thread/argument ensued.
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How is that any different than MOST of the ridiculous arguments that have ensued over the last year here. That’s basically how it works, someone logs in claiming you said or meant something you never wrote by twisting it and then someone else defends it.

I’ll say this…I am glad Dante is posting here. His responses carry a hell of a lot more weight than the words of those who are finding so much fault in what was written.

Apparently Ced’s genetics deserve more credit than they were getting before.

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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]DeltaOne wrote:
So yeah, how come most of the people posting on ProMuscle saying they are blasting at 2g and cruising at 500-700mg, cruising 8iu of GH and blasting 20iu are not looking like pro bodybuilders ? I’m sorry, but if gear is the ultimate end-all to bodybuilding, why the fuck aren’t we seeing people walking around at a lean 300lbs ?

People are getting completely retarded, acting as if gear is the only thing that matters.

IMO Dante’s point is not “use only HRT dosages”. If a 200 pound 6’2 dude at 20 years old is using 2 grams a week and taking 10 iu GH, and staying on year round and not getting anywhere, to what point will he continue increasing the dose ? 5 grams ? 50 iu ?

It would make a lot more sense to use the minimum as possible to ensure you’re NOT fucking yourself up or being able to keeping the gains post-cycle, thus HRT like dosages, for a shitload of time ( not talking about duration of cycles ) cycle off when possible and keep the fucking gains, THEN upping the dose when stalling or hitting a plateau, or stuff like contest prep, instead of using fucking huge amounts year round and having to place to run to when you stop making gains.

“No one gets that size using the doses Dante claims”. Correct, no one gets that size, immediately, using those doses. Now do that for 10-12 years,and then we’ll see. From reading at PM, what I’ve noticed is, most of the dudes over there are abusing the fuck out trying to get immediate results, while not paying attention to things like diet and training. I’ll stop talking about PM since I established the general IQ to be very low when I read the “How much do you spend on gear” thread.

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
I dunno man. I know ONE guy with absolute pro genetics, he responds very well to AAS, has insane muscle bellies and over all is a fucking monster. He typically uses around 1.5g/week and he is no where near Cedric’s size.

In all honesty, this stuff is bullshit…no one gets that size off the doses Dante claims. Cedric is probably in week 2 of his cruise at HRT dose and Dante wants to make a big deal about it lol.

You notice insulin and HGH doses never get posted? [/quote]

Not wanting to be an asshole Way, and I hope you understand my point here without taking offense.

You know a guy with good genetics, that takes 1.5g/week and doesn’t look like Cedric. So what ?
First of all, nothing is immediate in this sport, how long has he been doing that ? 1-2 year is not gonna cut it mate, how about if he kept that up for 4-6 years ? While being consistent with training, diet, the general stuff ? Undoubtedly, he would be bigger after all that time wouldn’t he ? I hope you understood what I meant here ( typing fast because I’m at work, so this post might be coming out hard to understand )

Take Yates. I don’t wanna make assumptions but I’m gonna use him as an example. It took him around 15 years, from to day he started training to the day he won the O, to look the way he did. 15 years. Even using the shitload of gear people claim he used ( I’m taking about the most absurd doses internet gurus have came up with ) it still took all that time. Your buddy is taking 1.5g and doesn’t look like Cedric. Again, for how long has Cedric been doing this ?

Hope you get what I’m trying to say.

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You misunderstood my post, I’m not saying that it’s impossible to reach cedrics level of development with 1.5g given the right genetics. I’m saying it’s extremely implausible to be at cedrics level of development and continue to make gains like Dante is claiming using an HRT dose of AAS while totally disregarding any HGH or Insulin use.[/quote]

Indeed, sorry for that post mate.

I believe Dante views on HGH are well known, I’m not reading PM that much, but I think he made some posts about it on that b-boy thread.

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I dont get why the issue of how heavy he’s shooting test/hgh or whatever should even be discussed by people who train/work with cedric. i dont remember people who worked with ifbb pro’s running around saying “he gonna shoot more gear now and blow up” for all i know or care ronnie coleman and jay cutler are naturals. because thats how they keep it.

with all due respect Dante, telling half of the story on the web is worse than the whole story. i have very good reading skills, it just surprise me why its a big shock to you this thread is a shitstorm.

that said, Cedric is a fucking tank.

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[quote]hanban wrote:
I dont get why the issue of how heavy he’s shooting test/hgh or whatever should even be discussed by people who train/work with cedric. i dont remember people who worked with ifbb pro’s running around saying “he gonna shoot more gear now and blow up” for all i know or care ronnie coleman and jay cutler are naturals. because thats how they keep it.

with all due respect Dante, telling half of the story on the web is worse than the whole story. i have very good reading skills, it just surprise me why its a big shock to you this thread is a shitstorm.

that said, Cedric is a fucking tank. [/quote]

It would seem the Privacy Act only affects medical.

I have to agree with you though.

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Would an HRT level dose even do anything for muscle gains? From what I’ve read about HRT it doesn’t help much with muscle gains, mostly just gives more libido/energy/a feeling a well-being.

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[quote]hanban wrote:
I dont get why the issue of how heavy he’s shooting test/hgh or whatever should even be discussed by people who train/work with cedric. i dont remember people who worked with ifbb pro’s running around saying “he gonna shoot more gear now and blow up” for all i know or care ronnie coleman and jay cutler are naturals. because thats how they keep it.

with all due respect Dante, telling half of the story on the web is worse than the whole story. i have very good reading skills, it just surprise me why its a big shock to you this thread is a shitstorm.

that said, Cedric is a fucking tank. [/quote]

You are right…should of kept my mouth shut…didnt think it was going to become that big of deal…it did…I should have thought more about it before posting.