OMG Cedric McMillan

[quote]zraw wrote:

[quote]hanban wrote:
lol @ poeple thinking he got that big with HRT doses.[/quote]

That is nowhere near what has been said[/quote]
Be afraid be very afraid because come prep time when all cylinders are firing…“the freakz come out at nite”

thats exactly what that means. 2 options:

  1. he’s been on HRT for his entire career and now going full blown = bullshit
  2. he’s recently been on HRT and now back to full blown =a short break cruise irrelevant and meaningless time frame in terms of development and its just a trainer self promotion stunt.

Dante rarely takes clients, so why the fuck are you people still using the “blah blah, self promotion” argument ?

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]zraw wrote:

[quote]hanban wrote:
lol @ poeple thinking he got that big with HRT doses.[/quote]

That is nowhere near what has been said[/quote]

It’s just dumb though.

Post a pic in 3 weeks and then say:

Ohhh yah baby low dose test, don’t believe it? sorry!

Ohhh yah… and 15 IU slin and 20 IU gh/day…but seriously, LOW DOSE TEST![/quote]

The way I did interpret it was more in the sense of

“Before he was doing some high doses during his offseason.”

“This offseason, he’s been at a “cruising” dose and whill be on high doses during contest prep. While being at “cruising” doses, he is still 290”

Thats how I took the message.

Kind of like what Jay Cutler and Antoine Vaillant (lol funny to include both names in same sentence) do. Meaning he would grow into his prep

I may be wrong

inb4 gh15 and b-boy and Doggcrapp

I think waylanderxx has the right idea on this. But in all honesty, this thread is only going to be an argument between two sides, one that believes pros use very little and one that believes pros are using an absolute ton of stuff. It’ll be IM readers vs. ProM readers. I am more than happy to sit back and watch the debate.

Also, inb4 C_C posts pictures…

lol jk, that won’t happen.

Don’t care how much or how little he uses. He’s bigger than me so I’m headed to the gym.

Hope to see you all there!!!

[quote]bigandstrong24 wrote:
CC, post picture bruh… Yea thought so.
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LOL @ calling out someone for pics when you have non yourself.

[quote]Loudog75 wrote:
Don’t care how much or how little he uses. He’s bigger than me so I’m headed to the gym.

Hope to see you all there!!![/quote]

[quote]bigandstrong24 wrote:
Cedric has awesome lines and incredible potential.

A “guy” I know from Strong and Shapely in NJ said something about McMillans supplement habits as well. The guy is heavily involved in bodybuilding mags, promotion, etc and I personally see no reason why he would bullshit about something like this.

He said something along the lines of “Ced McMillan needs to cut the bs and take more shit and he will bust through the ranks like nobodies fucking business”, he said this to an NPC competitor after they were discussing flies/chest training and McMillans name came up. He had the same critique about Vic Martinez which whom I have personally seen with him on several occasions.

It’s not really breaking news that guys with amazing genetics respond favorably to lower doses but to imply anyone that size is utilizing HRT doses for anything other than low ball maintenance is misleading. I really hope Cedric is not letting Dante advise him on supplement usage. DC is well known in bodybuilding circles for priding him self on using minimal AAS dosages while abusing the living fuck out of hGH.

I predict he will ruin Cedrics line with stupid shit like that like he has done to Dusty. Cedric will come in flat, with a bigger head, bigger wrists, and a lovely protruded gut in his next show because of it. I really, really hope that doesn’t happen. Just another case of internet gurus thinking they stumbled along some secret that no one else knows when in reality they are more full of shit than your local gym personal trainer who believes high reps cut you up bra’. [/quote]

Where do you get this stuff? “priding him self on using minimal AAS dosages while abusing the living fuck out of hGH.”…yea that sounds like me …can you do me a favor and cut and paste where I said that…you wont be able to because it was never said by me.

[quote]bigandstrong24 wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
it’s just stirring the pot with bullshit semantics so his “personal training” business gets some attention.

Looking huge though.[/quote]

Corrected and QFT. Good post Way. Really good post. [/quote]

Since I havent trained anyone since 2008 how is that true? Where do you guys get your info? Im helping Cedric Mcmillan and Dave Henry and Dusty for free right now…why? Because I have limited time available so i dont want to be on a schedule so i help them when i can.

[quote]Doggcrapp wrote:

[quote]bigandstrong24 wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
it’s just stirring the pot with bullshit semantics so his “personal training” business gets some attention.

Looking huge though.[/quote]

Corrected and QFT. Good post Way. Really good post. [/quote]

Since I havent trained anyone since 2008 how is that true? Where do you guys get your info? Im helping Cedric Mcmillan and Dave Henry and Dusty for free right now…why? Because I have limited time available so i dont want to be on a schedule so i help them when i can.
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No, you will be judged by whatever they say you said, not by what you write anywhere. Trust me.

These arguments are coming at you from all sides Dante…maybe we should make you a classic muscle car thread over at IM to change the subject for once.

Oh this is getting good. there seem to be a lot of people who ‘know’ what Dante have written, where it seems they have not really read it. A bit like posters here saying that X advices someone to get to 300 pounds and eat cheeseburgers every day when he said nothing of the sort.

Vaguely ontopic, Cedric’s ‘lines’ are breathtaking, very much remind me of Flex Wheeler.

[quote]Scott M wrote:
These arguments are coming at you from all sides Dante…maybe we should make you a classic muscle car thread over at IM to change the subject for once. [/quote]

It gets real quiet when the subject of debate shows up, huh?

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Scott M wrote:
These arguments are coming at you from all sides Dante…maybe we should make you a classic muscle car thread over at IM to change the subject for once. [/quote]

It gets real quiet when the subject of debate shows up, huh?[/quote]

It’s pretty impossible to have a debate on a topic like this when tops 1 guy in the whole thread knows the truth and the rest are gossiping and guessing/assuming a whole lot.

[quote]DeltaOne wrote:
So yeah, how come most of the people posting on ProMuscle saying they are blasting at 2g and cruising at 500-700mg, cruising 8iu of GH and blasting 20iu are not looking like pro bodybuilders ? I’m sorry, but if gear is the ultimate end-all to bodybuilding, why the fuck aren’t we seeing people walking around at a lean 300lbs ?

People are getting completely retarded, acting as if gear is the only thing that matters.

IMO Dante’s point is not “use only HRT dosages”. If a 200 pound 6’2 dude at 20 years old is using 2 grams a week and taking 10 iu GH, and staying on year round and not getting anywhere, to what point will he continue increasing the dose ? 5 grams ? 50 iu ?

It would make a lot more sense to use the minimum as possible to ensure you’re NOT fucking yourself up or being able to keeping the gains post-cycle, thus HRT like dosages, for a shitload of time ( not talking about duration of cycles ) cycle off when possible and keep the fucking gains, THEN upping the dose when stalling or hitting a plateau, or stuff like contest prep, instead of using fucking huge amounts year round and having to place to run to when you stop making gains.

“No one gets that size using the doses Dante claims”. Correct, no one gets that size, immediately, using those doses. Now do that for 10-12 years,and then we’ll see. From reading at PM, what I’ve noticed is, most of the dudes over there are abusing the fuck out trying to get immediate results, while not paying attention to things like diet and training. I’ll stop talking about PM since I established the general IQ to be very low when I read the “How much do you spend on gear” thread.

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
I dunno man. I know ONE guy with absolute pro genetics, he responds very well to AAS, has insane muscle bellies and over all is a fucking monster. He typically uses around 1.5g/week and he is no where near Cedric’s size.

In all honesty, this stuff is bullshit…no one gets that size off the doses Dante claims. Cedric is probably in week 2 of his cruise at HRT dose and Dante wants to make a big deal about it lol.

You notice insulin and HGH doses never get posted? [/quote]

Not wanting to be an asshole Way, and I hope you understand my point here without taking offense.

You know a guy with good genetics, that takes 1.5g/week and doesn’t look like Cedric. So what ?
First of all, nothing is immediate in this sport, how long has he been doing that ? 1-2 year is not gonna cut it mate, how about if he kept that up for 4-6 years ? While being consistent with training, diet, the general stuff ? Undoubtedly, he would be bigger after all that time wouldn’t he ? I hope you understood what I meant here ( typing fast because I’m at work, so this post might be coming out hard to understand )

Take Yates. I don’t wanna make assumptions but I’m gonna use him as an example. It took him around 15 years, from to day he started training to the day he won the O, to look the way he did. 15 years. Even using the shitload of gear people claim he used ( I’m taking about the most absurd doses internet gurus have came up with ) it still took all that time. Your buddy is taking 1.5g and doesn’t look like Cedric. Again, for how long has Cedric been doing this ?

Hope you get what I’m trying to say.

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You misunderstood my post, I’m not saying that it’s impossible to reach cedrics level of development with 1.5g given the right genetics. I’m saying it’s extremely implausible to be at cedrics level of development and continue to make gains like Dante is claiming using an HRT dose of AAS while totally disregarding any HGH or Insulin use.

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
I dunno man. I know ONE guy with absolute pro genetics, he responds very well to AAS, has insane muscle bellies and over all is a fucking monster. He typically uses around 1.5g/week and he is no where near Cedric’s size.

In all honesty, this stuff is bullshit…no one gets that size off the doses Dante claims. Cedric is probably in week 2 of his cruise at HRT dose and Dante wants to make a big deal about it lol.

You notice insulin and HGH doses never get posted? [/quote]

Have you ever wondered why certain pro bbers weigh 288 in the offseason and then 4 weeks out from a show they are 278 pounds? They only lost 10 pounds? Because alot of guys nowadays are doing low dose offseason and trying to make gains like that and then they hit the gas hard for their shows and grow into shows

[quote]Scott M wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Scott M wrote:
These arguments are coming at you from all sides Dante…maybe we should make you a classic muscle car thread over at IM to change the subject for once. [/quote]

It gets real quiet when the subject of debate shows up, huh?[/quote]

It’s pretty impossible to have a debate on a topic like this when tops 1 guy in the whole thread knows the truth and the rest are gossiping and guessing/assuming a whole lot.

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Scott, the debate occurs because Dante is not giving the whole story. I’m glad he’s posting in this thread. I respect the hell out of Dante and what he’s done but when you drop some half ass line about cedric being on HRT and making amazing gains yet totally disregarding the other 2/3rds of the story (HGH and Insulin) what do you expect?

I’d like the whole story and if we’re not going to get it why would he even post something like this in the first place? It’s just stirring up shit at this point and he knew that was exactly what was going to happen.

[quote]Doggcrapp wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
I dunno man. I know ONE guy with absolute pro genetics, he responds very well to AAS, has insane muscle bellies and over all is a fucking monster. He typically uses around 1.5g/week and he is no where near Cedric’s size.

In all honesty, this stuff is bullshit…no one gets that size off the doses Dante claims. Cedric is probably in week 2 of his cruise at HRT dose and Dante wants to make a big deal about it lol.

You notice insulin and HGH doses never get posted? [/quote]

Have you ever wondered why certain pro bbers weigh 288 in the offseason and then 4 weeks out from a show they are 278 pounds? They only lost 10 pounds? Because alot of guys nowadays are doing low dose offseason and trying to make gains like that and then they hit the gas hard for their shows and grow into shows

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I’m aware of this I’m just not understanding the motive behind your Cedric comment though. Correct me if I’m wrong but I believe you posted on ProM that you believe using the absolute least amount of AAS possible and then using large amounts of HGH because it’s relatively safer and who knows about how much insulin you suggest, I’ve not read anything about that.

So, is cedric using HRT dose test and High dose HGH/Insulin or is he just using low dose everything? That’s what I want to know.

[quote]bigandstrong24 wrote:
Some of you really need a reality check or just need to hang out with actual bodybuilders IRL.

zraw, man. I honestly don’t want to shit on Dustys physique on an internet forum because I think that’s weak but that makes it tough for me to counter your argument. NPC (and I emphasize NPC) guys with physiques LIKE Dusty are easily distinguishable on stage for massive growth dosages from guys who built their physique “the old fashioned way”.

I promise you that once/if you start hanging out with upcoming bodybuilders or attend shows or at least go to a bodybuilding friendly gym (Bevs, Metro, Strong and Shapely) on a regular basis you will understand what I am talking about and see how blatantly obvious this bs is. I don’t believe Henry has worked with Dante in quite some time.

CC, post picture bruh… Yea thought so. And yes, Cedric was the one who was having trouble with his arms and went to Dante for advice. He wrote in a paperback issue of MD that it did not work for him and he tried something else successfully. I will get the magazine number when I get home and quote his words and reference the page, although I’m sure you’ve never read a bodybuilding magazine and are only interested regurgitating training info on the internet.

I am done arguing stupid shit like this. I was just trying to call bullshit when I see it and I guarantee you any real bodybuilder in the know or someone in the know about drug usage on this forum will agree with me. These guys are trying to sell you something whether its a service, publicity, or protein powder. Do not fall for it, their are no secrets. [/quote]

God i wish i could be detailed here but i cannot obviously but you are way off.

Cedric contacted me again to please help him because thats what was working before and he got away from it.

Dave Henry contacted me 3 days ago to go after Raymond and English.

With Cedrics genetics he would be so far over 340 pounds offseason if he was loaded fully it wouldnt even be funny…instead he is 288…reason? I already said it

Way,

I don’t see it as stirring up shit… to be fair he made that thread on a relatively small board(there are 35 people viewing the Dogg Pound right now) and I see it at this.

A lot of guys on these boards swear up and down that pros are blasting high dosage hormones year round and he’s saying this go round Cedric is taking a different approach. That’s really it. He’s trying something that Dante feels might be a better compromise health and longevity wise and we will see if an improved Cedric comes out the other end and sticks around the sport for a long time, and avoids the pitfalls health wise a large percentage of pros/top amateurs seem to fall into. People can read into it more than that and attach their own biases and assumptions and of course I could have his intentions wrong but that’s how I’m seeing it.