[quote]hanban wrote:
I dont get why the issue of how heavy he’s shooting test/hgh or whatever should even be discussed by people who train/work with cedric. i dont remember people who worked with ifbb pro’s running around saying “he gonna shoot more gear now and blow up” for all i know or care ronnie coleman and jay cutler are naturals. because thats how they keep it.
with all due respect Dante, telling half of the story on the web is worse than the whole story. i have very good reading skills, it just surprise me why its a big shock to you this thread is a shitstorm.
that said, Cedric is a fucking tank. [/quote]
You are right…should of kept my mouth shut…didnt think it was going to become that big of deal…it did…I should have thought more about it before posting.[/quote]
You have to shrug stuff off. I hope it doesn’t keep you from posting and sharing knowledge.
It would be nice if you popped in around here from time to time.
[quote]David1991 wrote:
Would an HRT level dose even do anything for muscle gains? From what I’ve read about HRT it doesn’t help much with muscle gains, mostly just gives more libido/energy/a feeling a well-being. [/quote]
Sure, depending on what the persons hormonal situation was at the time he started his TRT.
Is a guy that got to 300lbs @%15 with 2grams of AAS going to make muscle gains on 200mg/wk testosterone? Nope.
It’s relative. But improving body composition is a big part of hormone therapy.
Would also depend on the dose. A “TRT” dose can range from 100mg up to 350mg or even 400mg I’ve seen before. For your average joe there is a pretty big difference between the upper and the lower. At 100 you’re taking approximately what the average male produces in a week, 400 you’re getting into beginner cycle territory.
[quote]overstand wrote:
Would also depend on the dose. A “TRT” dose can range from 100mg up to 350mg or even 400mg I’ve seen before. For your average joe there is a pretty big difference between the upper and the lower. At 100 you’re taking approximately what the average male produces in a week, 400 you’re getting into beginner cycle territory. [/quote]
What youre talking about is what some people tell themselves at night to justify their year round drug use. Let’s be frank here. Anyone who says theyre on trt at 400mg/wk is straight up lying to himself. THe point of trt is to improve quality of life and make the man healthier. Many people will see some form of negative effects from a dose that high (however minor they may be compared to effects from big boy doses).
TRT means what it says. Replacement implies replacing the level found in an average male in his prime years. 800ng/dl is generally accepted as a desirable and fair representation of that.
[quote]David1991 wrote:
Would an HRT level dose even do anything for muscle gains? From what I’ve read about HRT it doesn’t help much with muscle gains, mostly just gives more libido/energy/a feeling a well-being. [/quote]
Sure, depending on what the persons hormonal situation was at the time he started his TRT.
Is a guy that got to 300lbs @%15 with 2grams of AAS going to make muscle gains on 200mg/wk testosterone? Nope.
It’s relative. But improving body composition is a big part of hormone therapy. [/quote]
Well for example, last time I had my test checked it was 400ng/dl which is fairly low for my age (20). I don’t think any doc would be prescribing me TRT at that level (and I’m not sure I’d want to be ‘dependent’ on it either at this age although I haven’t spent a ton of time researching it) but at my level would an average TRT regimen give any “bodybuilding-related” effects or pretty much just more libido/well-being?
A legitimate HRT would be test levels at around what BONEZ said. The dose would be around 100 mg/week, maybe a little more. I would be incredibly surprised if someone of Cedrics development and even someone significantly less muscular (lets say national/top regional level) would not be dealing with muscle atrophy using an ACTUAL HRT dose. Now if other PED’s are used to support that dose, the story changes.
[quote]David1991 wrote:
Would an HRT level dose even do anything for muscle gains? From what I’ve read about HRT it doesn’t help much with muscle gains, mostly just gives more libido/energy/a feeling a well-being. [/quote]
Sure, depending on what the persons hormonal situation was at the time he started his TRT.
Is a guy that got to 300lbs @%15 with 2grams of AAS going to make muscle gains on 200mg/wk testosterone? Nope.
It’s relative. But improving body composition is a big part of hormone therapy. [/quote]
Well for example, last time I had my test checked it was 400ng/dl which is fairly low for my age (20). I don’t think any doc would be prescribing me TRT at that level (and I’m not sure I’d want to be ‘dependent’ on it either at this age although I haven’t spent a ton of time researching it) but at my level would an average TRT regimen give any “bodybuilding-related” effects or pretty much just more libido/well-being?[/quote]
Doubling your testosterone level would certainly benefit you from a bodybuilding sense. More than a well being sense IMO. But the sense of well being has almost as much to do with estrogen levels as it does testosterone level.
Dont rely on just one blood test as a definitive answer either. Hormone levels vary for a different reasons.
Don’t have anything to contribute here, and I know this thread started heading down the wrong direction early on, but I, and hopefully alot of other members, really enjoy reading this. Seeing Scott M, Doggcrapp, PX, BONEZ, Delta, and Way all in here weighing in on this subject in a non-retarded way is not only informative and interesting, but is how I wish it was here all the time: Just alot of advanced guys helping newbies like me and also discussing/debating ‘real’ BB’ing theories/experiences/beliefs.
I believe the term “HRT” is being used to describe the dosage, now the actual practice. A 100mg dose would give someone the blood levels of a 20 something year old…? ( this is a question, I may have to do a paper on HRT for med school) quality of life would be improved but I can’t imagine how it would be beneficial for someone in their 30’s in terms of muscle hypertrophy. Higher dosages can be actually used as HRT for some patients, those with stuff like severe muscle wasting, severe anemia, HIV carriers, burnt victims, testicular cancer or advanced stage of several kinds of cancer…
Uhm… should we move this discussion to the steroid board ?
[quote]David1991 wrote:
Would an HRT level dose even do anything for muscle gains? From what I’ve read about HRT it doesn’t help much with muscle gains, mostly just gives more libido/energy/a feeling a well-being. [/quote]
Sure, depending on what the persons hormonal situation was at the time he started his TRT.
Is a guy that got to 300lbs @%15 with 2grams of AAS going to make muscle gains on 200mg/wk testosterone? Nope.
It’s relative. But improving body composition is a big part of hormone therapy. [/quote]
Well for example, last time I had my test checked it was 400ng/dl which is fairly low for my age (20). I don’t think any doc would be prescribing me TRT at that level (and I’m not sure I’d want to be ‘dependent’ on it either at this age although I haven’t spent a ton of time researching it) but at my level would an average TRT regimen give any “bodybuilding-related” effects or pretty much just more libido/well-being?[/quote]
Doubling your testosterone level would certainly benefit you from a bodybuilding sense. More than a well being sense IMO. But the sense of well being has almost as much to do with estrogen levels as it does testosterone level.
Dont rely on just one blood test as a definitive answer either. Hormone levels vary for a different reasons. [/quote]
Yea I’m actually going to get it checked again next week. I’ve had 2 trainers tell me of the 100+ guys they train I seem to gain fat faster than almost any of them even with a good diet lol so they want me to get TSH and Test checked. Although due to what I’ve read I wouldn’t even consider steroids for another 5 years or so (probably never but who knows how I’ll feel in 5 years) I would probably be down for TRT to bring my levels up to the normal 800-1000 range if a doc would prescribe it, but from what I understand the chances of that are very unlikely.
[quote]DeltaOne wrote:
I believe the term “HRT” is being used to describe the dosage, now the actual practice. A 100mg dose would give someone the blood levels of a 20 something year old…? ( this is a question, I may have to do a paper on HRT for med school) quality of life would be improved but I can’t imagine how it would be beneficial for someone in their 30’s in terms of muscle hypertrophy. Higher dosages can be actually used as HRT for some patients, those with stuff like severe muscle wasting, severe anemia, HIV carriers, burnt victims, testicular cancer or advanced stage of several kinds of cancer…
Uhm… should we move this discussion to the steroid board ?[/quote]
100mg/wk of testosterone would only help ‘someone in their 30’s’ (this is a huge range btw, 30 is a lot younger than 39 in terms of hormone production) if that 100mg puts them at a higher level than they naturally produce. Thats pretty obvious I think. The issue is that theres no such thing as a ‘typical’ natural level. Men of all ages have a wide range of natural testosterone levels; but 100mg/wk is 100mg/wk no matter who you give it to.
[quote]David1991 wrote:
Would an HRT level dose even do anything for muscle gains? From what I’ve read about HRT it doesn’t help much with muscle gains, mostly just gives more libido/energy/a feeling a well-being. [/quote]
Sure, depending on what the persons hormonal situation was at the time he started his TRT.
Is a guy that got to 300lbs @%15 with 2grams of AAS going to make muscle gains on 200mg/wk testosterone? Nope.
It’s relative. But improving body composition is a big part of hormone therapy. [/quote]
Well for example, last time I had my test checked it was 400ng/dl which is fairly low for my age (20). I don’t think any doc would be prescribing me TRT at that level (and I’m not sure I’d want to be ‘dependent’ on it either at this age although I haven’t spent a ton of time researching it) but at my level would an average TRT regimen give any “bodybuilding-related” effects or pretty much just more libido/well-being?[/quote]
Doubling your testosterone level would certainly benefit you from a bodybuilding sense. More than a well being sense IMO. But the sense of well being has almost as much to do with estrogen levels as it does testosterone level.
Dont rely on just one blood test as a definitive answer either. Hormone levels vary for a different reasons. [/quote]
Yea I’m actually going to get it checked again next week. I’ve had 2 trainers tell me of the 100+ guys they train I seem to gain fat faster than almost any of them even with a good diet lol so they want me to get TSH and Test checked. Although due to what I’ve read I wouldn’t even consider steroids for another 5 years or so (probably never but who knows how I’ll feel in 5 years) I would probably be down for TRT to bring my levels up to the normal 800-1000 range if a doc would prescribe it, but from what I understand the chances of that are very unlikely. [/quote]
Read the sticky in the trt forum for a full list of what you should get tested. Just testosterone is not enough if you want an idea of what’s going on in your body. Im not saying you need every single thing on the list tested, but if youre covered by insurance it cant hurt.
Cedric has quite a bit of gyno, here and in other pictures. He seems sensitive to steroids. I could see it be best for him to be on low doses year round since he has the genetics to pull that off and blast only towards a competition.
I have met a guy who was very responsive to GH at my gym and uses 4IU a day and no more then 750 mg of Sust a week. Sometimes he adds 40 mg of Dianabol for a few weeks and that is it. Guy’s 48 years old, and has 21 inch arms (I measured them 6 months ago) and is always below 10% bodyfat.
He mentioned to a friend of his that anything over a gram a week was a waste!
Several of his biker buddies (his age too) are doing what he does and they are all large and lean. They all seem to prefer sustanon, GH and sometimes some dianabol as a cycle. No insulin though.
These guys are of 12 weeks out of the year.
Cedric has quite a bit of gyno, here and in other pictures. He seems sensitive to steroids. I could see it be best for him to be on low doses year round since he has the genetics to pull that off and blast only towards a competition.
I have met a guy who was very responsive to GH at my gym and uses 4IU a day and no more then 750 mg of Sust a week. Sometimes he adds 40 mg of Dianabol for a few weeks and that is it. Guy’s 48 years old, and has 21 inch arms (I measured them 6 months ago) and is always below 10% bodyfat.
He mentioned to a friend of his that anything over a gram a week was a waste!
Several of his biker buddies (his age too) are doing what he does and they are all large and lean. They all seem to prefer sustanon, GH and sometimes some dianabol as a cycle. No insulin though.
These guys are of 12 weeks out of the year.
I prefer quite a few physiques over Cedric’s (He’s no flex wheeler or heath, lines will never be as good IMO) but damn, dude has some density. Looks like concrete, lol. Very inspirational.
Cedric has quite a bit of gyno, here and in other pictures. He seems sensitive to steroids. I could see it be best for him to be on low doses year round since he has the genetics to pull that off and blast only towards a competition.
I have met a guy who was very responsive to GH at my gym and uses 4IU a day and no more then 750 mg of Sust a week. Sometimes he adds 40 mg of Dianabol for a few weeks and that is it. Guy’s 48 years old, and has 21 inch arms (I measured them 6 months ago) and is always below 10% bodyfat.
He mentioned to a friend of his that anything over a gram a week was a waste!
Several of his biker buddies (his age too) are doing what he does and they are all large and lean. They all seem to prefer sustanon, GH and sometimes some dianabol as a cycle. No insulin though.
These guys are of 12 weeks out of the year.
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I don’t see gyno in that pic. [/quote]
Is this you stirring up shit? Can’t always tell.
Compare to the first pic of him where there is NOTHING under the nipples when he strikes a front double biceps pose. It is obvious he is natural there(showing tremendous genetics) and it is obvious in the first pic of this thread, and the last one, that he no longer is natural.
Is this you stirring up shit? Can’t always tell.
Compare to the first pic of him where there is NOTHING under the nipples when he strikes a front double biceps pose. It is obvious he is natural there(showing tremendous genetics) and it is obvious in the first pic of this thread, and the last one, that he no longer is natural. [/quote]
Stirring shit?
I have looked at many of his pics and what you are seeing could just be the result of where the light is placed. He is less oiled up in the first pic…and gyno is growth of the gland and his had remained the same in every other pic I can find of him.
