Isn’t it a little gay to be this worried about what another man has done with his penis?
I mean, let’s get real here…if most of you had a camera following you into every bed room encounter, at least 80% of you fuckers would end up on America’s Funniest Home Videos with really tiny black boxes covering private parts.
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
[quote]BigJJ88 wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]florelius wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
^WUT?[/quote]
"Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye;
and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."
( Matthew 7:5 ) [/quote]
Never boned a grapefruit
Never g4p’ed
Looks like my eyes are beam free 
But seriously though, acting like someone selling their own body to fund their drug habit is a commendable act?
Please.[/quote]
Selling their body? Fund their drug habit?
Wtf you talking about. He’s fucking a grape fruit because he’s getting paid well to do it, the difference between you and him is that no1 wants to see you fuck a grape fruit, or disappoint it for that matter. Also, anyone who considers that a “drug habit” has no reason to be on a bodybuilding forum.
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What are you talking about? He “sold his body”. Its not really debatable.
And the difference isnt that no one wants to see it, its that most of us have the skills an ingenuity to not have to stoop to such lows.
Get off his grapefruit covered dick bro. [/quote]
I know a girl who is a stripper who has some real skills also.
I used to fuck drugs for grapefruits
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Isn’t it a little gay to be this worried about what another man has done with his penis?
I mean, let’s get real here…if most of you had a camera following you into every bed room encounter, at least 80% of you fuckers would end up on America’s Funniest Home Videos with really tiny black boxes covering private parts.[/quote]
Wow, surprised it took this long for someone to not-so-subtly try to turn this into a dick-measuring contest.
And you’re missing the point if you think the debate is gay vs straight or any bash against gays, period.
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Isn’t it a little gay to be this worried about what another man has done with his penis?
I mean, let’s get real here…if most of you had a camera following you into every bed room encounter, at least 80% of you fuckers would end up on America’s Funniest Home Videos with really tiny black boxes covering private parts.[/quote]
Wow, surprised it took this long for someone to not-so-subtly try to turn this into a dick-measuring contest.
And you’re missing the point if you think the debate is gay vs straight or any bash against gays, period. [/quote]
The gay thing means nothing to me. I was in a round about way implying that bodybuilding itself is a sexually infused sport simply because people fall to that in their own heads just because the men are in speedos.
You would either have to be the ultimate ladies man (Arnold), a tv personality of some sort (Ferrigno), or a preacher (Haney) to escape someone somewhere questioning the sexual aspects of any public actions or judging the man by it or anything else he does in public.
Arnold did tons of negative shit…but he played his hand well so people CHOOSE not to focus on it.
Kai was a stripper.
Really? This bothers people in 2013?
I mean, I know dudes who do this (while I am not aware of any gay action) I am aware that gay men in many cities are often carrying the largest bank rolls…and that many bodybuilders from Mike Christian to Craige Titus were involved in some shady shit to stay on stage.
This stripper shit pales in comparison.
No one cares about his stripping.
g4p is something different.
Sex cam shows is something different.
Getting blowies on stage on camera from a dude is different.
Again, this wasnt about stripping.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Isn’t it a little gay to be this worried about what another man has done with his penis?
I mean, let’s get real here…if most of you had a camera following you into every bed room encounter, at least 80% of you fuckers would end up on America’s Funniest Home Videos with really tiny black boxes covering private parts.[/quote]
Wow, surprised it took this long for someone to not-so-subtly try to turn this into a dick-measuring contest.
And you’re missing the point if you think the debate is gay vs straight or any bash against gays, period. [/quote]
The gay thing means nothing to me. I was in a round about way implying that bodybuilding itself is a sexually infused sport simply because people fall to that in their own heads just because the men are in speedos.
You would either have to be the ultimate ladies man (Arnold), a tv personality of some sort (Ferrigno), or a preacher (Haney) to escape someone somewhere questioning the sexual aspects of any public actions or judging the man by it or anything else he does in public.
Arnold did tons of negative shit…but he played his hand well so people CHOOSE not to focus on it.
Kai was a stripper.
Really? This bothers people in 2013?
I mean, I know dudes who do this (while I am not aware of any gay action) I am aware that gay men in many cities are often carrying the largest bank rolls…and that many bodybuilders from Mike Christian to Craige Titus were involved in some shady shit to stay on stage.
This stripper shit pales in comparison.[/quote]
The point ive been arguing the whole time has little to do with me being offended by it (i do think making G4P videos fucking a grapefruit is pretty fuckin ridiculous though). Im simply defending an organization’s desire to keep athletes who they feel may draw too much negative attention to a sport from becoming the face of that sport.
Bodybuilding will probably never be much more than a fringe sport in its current form. But its still a business, just as the NBA or NFL is, and if that business couldnt make money, none of these guys would be able to do this.
The point is, while it’ll never be mainstream, mainstream = money, so they will try to bring it as close to mainstream as possible. For a sport that already has a hard time gaining general acceptance, Kai is not a good representative.
When people dont like something, theyll find a reason to demonize it. they wouldnt have to look hard to do that with Kai.
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Isn’t it a little gay to be this worried about what another man has done with his penis?
I mean, let’s get real here…if most of you had a camera following you into every bed room encounter, at least 80% of you fuckers would end up on America’s Funniest Home Videos with really tiny black boxes covering private parts.[/quote]
Wow, surprised it took this long for someone to not-so-subtly try to turn this into a dick-measuring contest.
And you’re missing the point if you think the debate is gay vs straight or any bash against gays, period. [/quote]
The gay thing means nothing to me. I was in a round about way implying that bodybuilding itself is a sexually infused sport simply because people fall to that in their own heads just because the men are in speedos.
You would either have to be the ultimate ladies man (Arnold), a tv personality of some sort (Ferrigno), or a preacher (Haney) to escape someone somewhere questioning the sexual aspects of any public actions or judging the man by it or anything else he does in public.
Arnold did tons of negative shit…but he played his hand well so people CHOOSE not to focus on it.
Kai was a stripper.
Really? This bothers people in 2013?
I mean, I know dudes who do this (while I am not aware of any gay action) I am aware that gay men in many cities are often carrying the largest bank rolls…and that many bodybuilders from Mike Christian to Craige Titus were involved in some shady shit to stay on stage.
This stripper shit pales in comparison.[/quote]
The point ive been arguing the whole time has little to do with me being offended by it (i do think making G4P videos fucking a grapefruit is pretty fuckin ridiculous though). Im simply defending an organization’s desire to keep athletes who they feel may draw too much negative attention to a sport from becoming the face of that sport.
Bodybuilding will probably never be much more than a fringe sport in its current form. But its still a business, just as the NBA or NFL is, and if that business couldnt make money, none of these guys would be able to do this.
The point is, while it’ll never be mainstream, mainstream = money, so they will try to bring it as close to mainstream as possible. For a sport that already has a hard time gaining general acceptance, Kai is not a good representative.
When people dont like something, theyll find a reason to demonize it. they wouldnt have to look hard to do that with Kai.
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Isnt this also the reasoning why Lee Preist would not only always finish lower than he desired but even suspended from the IFBB? Him openly talking about how messed up the progame is and getting his face tatted?
More talk about the bodybuilding competition please.
I could really care less about his extracurricular “antics”, but what I do have a huge problem with is him accepting government assistance while footing the bill for the “assistance” it would require to grow a man to that level. That’s ridiculous and a huge example of why every entitlement program in this country needs to be reworked. Why the hell should me, X, Smashingweights, Waittz or any other T-Nation tax payer foot the bill for Kai Greene to become a pro-bodybuilder?
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
I could really care less about his extracurricular “antics”, but what I do have a huge problem with is him accepting government assistance while footing the bill for the “assistance” it would require to grow a man to that level. That’s ridiculous and a huge example of why every entitlement program in this country needs to be reworked. Why the hell should me, X, Smashingweights, Waittz or any other T-Nation tax payer foot the bill for Kai Greene to become a pro-bodybuilder?[/quote]
I have read Kai’s history. Most kids who grow up like that end up in jail or dead by his age.
Yes, I do personally cut him some slack based on that.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
I could really care less about his extracurricular “antics”, but what I do have a huge problem with is him accepting government assistance while footing the bill for the “assistance” it would require to grow a man to that level. That’s ridiculous and a huge example of why every entitlement program in this country needs to be reworked. Why the hell should me, X, Smashingweights, Waittz or any other T-Nation tax payer foot the bill for Kai Greene to become a pro-bodybuilder?[/quote]
I have read Kai’s history. Most kids who grow up like that end up in jail or dead by his age.
Yes, I do personally cut him some slack based on that.[/quote]
Maybe I dont understand, but how did I as a tax payer foot Kai’s bill? something I missed here?
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
I could really care less about his extracurricular “antics”, but what I do have a huge problem with is him accepting government assistance while footing the bill for the “assistance” it would require to grow a man to that level. That’s ridiculous and a huge example of why every entitlement program in this country needs to be reworked. Why the hell should me, X, Smashingweights, Waittz or any other T-Nation tax payer foot the bill for Kai Greene to become a pro-bodybuilder?[/quote]
I have read Kai’s history. Most kids who grow up like that end up in jail or dead by his age.
Yes, I do personally cut him some slack based on that.[/quote]
Maybe I dont understand, but how did I as a tax payer foot Kai’s bill? something I missed here? [/quote]
I guess because Kai was on well fare.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
I could really care less about his extracurricular “antics”, but what I do have a huge problem with is him accepting government assistance while footing the bill for the “assistance” it would require to grow a man to that level. That’s ridiculous and a huge example of why every entitlement program in this country needs to be reworked. Why the hell should me, X, Smashingweights, Waittz or any other T-Nation tax payer foot the bill for Kai Greene to become a pro-bodybuilder?[/quote]
I have read Kai’s history. Most kids who grow up like that end up in jail or dead by his age.
Yes, I do personally cut him some slack based on that.[/quote]
Maybe I dont understand, but how did I as a tax payer foot Kai’s bill? something I missed here? [/quote]
I guess because Kai was on well fare.
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Didnt realize it paid so well to fund that much AAS and food. I agree with you though, at least he accomplished something with it.
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
I could really care less about his extracurricular “antics”, but what I do have a huge problem with is him accepting government assistance while footing the bill for the “assistance” it would require to grow a man to that level. That’s ridiculous and a huge example of why every entitlement program in this country needs to be reworked. Why the hell should me, X, Smashingweights, Waittz or any other T-Nation tax payer foot the bill for Kai Greene to become a pro-bodybuilder?[/quote]
I have read Kai’s history. Most kids who grow up like that end up in jail or dead by his age.
Yes, I do personally cut him some slack based on that.[/quote]
Maybe I dont understand, but how did I as a tax payer foot Kai’s bill? something I missed here? [/quote]
I guess because Kai was on well fare.
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Didnt realize it paid so well to fund that much AAS and food. I agree with you though, at least he accomplished something with it. [/quote]
It doesnt. Thats why he still had to go G4P.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
I could really care less about his extracurricular “antics”, but what I do have a huge problem with is him accepting government assistance while footing the bill for the “assistance” it would require to grow a man to that level. That’s ridiculous and a huge example of why every entitlement program in this country needs to be reworked. Why the hell should me, X, Smashingweights, Waittz or any other T-Nation tax payer foot the bill for Kai Greene to become a pro-bodybuilder?[/quote]
I have read Kai’s history. Most kids who grow up like that end up in jail or dead by his age.
Yes, I do personally cut him some slack based on that.[/quote]
As a tax payer, if I fund someone for a stint who then becomes a contributing competent member of society, I am all for it. Is that not what getting a helping hand up is? To actually see someone make it out of his neighborhood and be successful is awesome. Money well spent in my opinion.
And having met Kai multiple times and having had lunch with him, he is an extremely well spoken, kind, and stand up guy. I was blown away by his humbleness and in all actuality how down to earth and normal he was for all the shit he gets.
[quote]Bauber wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
I could really care less about his extracurricular “antics”, but what I do have a huge problem with is him accepting government assistance while footing the bill for the “assistance” it would require to grow a man to that level. That’s ridiculous and a huge example of why every entitlement program in this country needs to be reworked. Why the hell should me, X, Smashingweights, Waittz or any other T-Nation tax payer foot the bill for Kai Greene to become a pro-bodybuilder?[/quote]
I have read Kai’s history. Most kids who grow up like that end up in jail or dead by his age.
Yes, I do personally cut him some slack based on that.[/quote]
As a tax payer, if I fund someone for a stint who then becomes a contributing competent member of society, I am all for it. Is that not what getting a helping hand up is? To actually see someone make it out of his neighborhood and be successful is awesome. Money well spent in my opinion.
And having met Kai multiple times and having had lunch with him, he is an extremely well spoken, kind, and stand up guy. I was blown away by his humbleness and in all actuality how down to earth and normal he was for all the shit he gets.[/quote]
Did he prepare that lunch? If so, i hope you didnt eat anything that contained questionable holes.
[quote]Bauber wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
I could really care less about his extracurricular “antics”, but what I do have a huge problem with is him accepting government assistance while footing the bill for the “assistance” it would require to grow a man to that level. That’s ridiculous and a huge example of why every entitlement program in this country needs to be reworked. Why the hell should me, X, Smashingweights, Waittz or any other T-Nation tax payer foot the bill for Kai Greene to become a pro-bodybuilder?[/quote]
I have read Kai’s history. Most kids who grow up like that end up in jail or dead by his age.
Yes, I do personally cut him some slack based on that.[/quote]
As a tax payer, if I fund someone for a stint who then becomes a contributing competent member of society, I am all for it. Is that not what getting a helping hand up is? To actually see someone make it out of his neighborhood and be successful is awesome. Money well spent in my opinion.
And having met Kai multiple times and having had lunch with him, he is an extremely well spoken, kind, and stand up guy. I was blown away by his humbleness and in all actuality how down to earth and normal he was for all the shit he gets.[/quote]
Then that is what kai did by all means.
My guess is, if dancing was your meal ticket, there is way more you will do to pay the bills.
I have always heard gay guys have the money.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Bauber wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
I could really care less about his extracurricular “antics”, but what I do have a huge problem with is him accepting government assistance while footing the bill for the “assistance” it would require to grow a man to that level. That’s ridiculous and a huge example of why every entitlement program in this country needs to be reworked. Why the hell should me, X, Smashingweights, Waittz or any other T-Nation tax payer foot the bill for Kai Greene to become a pro-bodybuilder?[/quote]
I have read Kai’s history. Most kids who grow up like that end up in jail or dead by his age.
Yes, I do personally cut him some slack based on that.[/quote]
As a tax payer, if I fund someone for a stint who then becomes a contributing competent member of society, I am all for it. Is that not what getting a helping hand up is? To actually see someone make it out of his neighborhood and be successful is awesome. Money well spent in my opinion.
And having met Kai multiple times and having had lunch with him, he is an extremely well spoken, kind, and stand up guy. I was blown away by his humbleness and in all actuality how down to earth and normal he was for all the shit he gets.[/quote]
Then that is what kai did by all means.
My guess is, if dancing was your meal ticket, there is way more you will do to pay the bills.
I have always heard gay guys have the money.[/quote]
Exactly what I was implying about Kai. I have always been a fan of Kai for his determination and outright freak factor of size.
I can see what others are saying though. Everything in life is political and Kai marches to the beat of his own drum, which I wholly respect. I was at the arnold classic in 2009 when he won and the crowd went absolutely NUTS. I would love to see him win an Olympia, but like others have said there is more to it than just a great physique.
5 pages and so far only the first post is actually about the contestants in their capacity as competitors at this olympia. Here i was hoping for pics updates predictions progress and comparisons. But no 5 pages of back and forth arguments about homosexuality followed by rebuttals that homosexuality isnt the point, then back to homosexuality. Oh t nation.