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[quote]Mr_Freshnuts wrote:
I hate Ramy’s look… his quads look so full of oil it makes his calves look terrible. I think he’d be lucky to place top 5 in his first showing though. He will be future Mr. O, no doubt, but not at his debut.
I can see top 3, after that it really doesn’t matter…
Heath
Kai
Cutler
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He looks far less oiled up than Phil, and much bigger.

His calves are a weak point, they arent terrible, but they arent great, and definitely made to look even worse since the rest of him (particularly his quads) are so huge.

For political reasons and based on who is competing this year, i dont see him getting an O win in his debut even if he was the most deserving, i wont be surprised if he makes the top 6 though.

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I know he’s offseason, I’m more so talking about the pics from the NY Pro, he lacks the seperation in his quads that Phil and Kai bring… Now I hope he does well IF and only IF his conditioning is on point. It’s been known in the past that the winners of the NOC/NY Pro have a terrible O debut. I can’t wait to see him next to Phil and Kai, and even Jay - the elite and see how he does. I will say, this is looking to be an exciting olympia, regardless of who wins.

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So if injecting oil is so prevalent, and as some of you say used for the legs, why aren’t his calves enormous too?
Is that a bad spot for oil?
I admit I am a bit clueless in this regard and can’t really see what you guys are saying. His left delt looks a little off but I have a hard time seeing where Heath and Ramy supposedly have oil.
So I guess my question is, if they put oil everywhere, how come his calves suck?

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Just seen this on Kai’s Instagram - HO LY CRAP

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[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:
So if injecting oil is so prevalent, and as some of you say used for the legs, why aren’t his calves enormous too?
Is that a bad spot for oil?
I admit I am a bit clueless in this regard and can’t really see what you guys are saying. His left delt looks a little off but I have a hard time seeing where Heath and Ramy supposedly have oil.
So I guess my question is, if they put oil everywhere, how come his calves suck?[/quote]

Maybe im wrong, but i dont see why someone like Ramy who obviously has fantastic quads would want to use SEO there. Along with your line of thinking, wouldnt he target his calves? (like Heath most likely does)

I just dont buy that hes oiling up his best assets and not his worst. Either way, while he lacked the quad seperation that Heath, Branch and Cutler will no doubt bring, his upper body conditioning was great and looked far less “ballooned up” than heath’s.

Besides, legs are probably the most common place to see competitors holding water even when their conditioning is mostly great otherwise, especially with less experienced bodybuilders. Some guys upper body conditioning can be shredded while their legs still look 5 weeks out. He could definitely nail it for the O, only time will tell.

And his shoulders look pretty damn shredded at 5 weeks out, would be surprised if there was any oil in there at all.

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[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:
So if injecting oil is so prevalent, and as some of you say used for the legs, why aren’t his calves enormous too?
Is that a bad spot for oil?
I admit I am a bit clueless in this regard and can’t really see what you guys are saying. His left delt looks a little off but I have a hard time seeing where Heath and Ramy supposedly have oil.
So I guess my question is, if they put oil everywhere, how come his calves suck?[/quote]

Maybe im wrong, but i dont see why someone like Ramy who obviously has fantastic quads would want to use SEO there. Along with your line of thinking, wouldnt he target his calves? (like Heath most likely does)

I just dont buy that hes oiling up his best assets and not his worst. Either way, while he lacked the quad seperation that Heath, Branch and Cutler will no doubt bring, his upper body conditioning was great and looked far less “ballooned up” than heath’s.

Besides, legs are probably the most common place to see competitors holding water even when their conditioning is mostly great otherwise, especially with less experienced bodybuilders. Some guys upper body conditioning can be shredded while their legs still look 5 weeks out. He could definitely nail it for the O, only time will tell.

And his shoulders look pretty damn shredded at 5 weeks out, would be surprised if there was any oil in there at all. [/quote]

I guess I wasn’t all that clear. I actually AGREE with you. All this talk about injecting oil…I just don’t see it. Certainly not in his legs. Hence my question; IF they are all oiling up so much, why wouldn’t he do it in his calves to balloon them up to match his thighs?

I don’t think these guys are using oil all that much.

However, I could be totally wrong. In that case I would like someone to show me how to ‘detect’ the oil ‘look’…

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[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:
So if injecting oil is so prevalent, and as some of you say used for the legs, why aren’t his calves enormous too?
Is that a bad spot for oil?
I admit I am a bit clueless in this regard and can’t really see what you guys are saying. His left delt looks a little off but I have a hard time seeing where Heath and Ramy supposedly have oil.
So I guess my question is, if they put oil everywhere, how come his calves suck?[/quote]

Maybe im wrong, but i dont see why someone like Ramy who obviously has fantastic quads would want to use SEO there. Along with your line of thinking, wouldnt he target his calves? (like Heath most likely does)

I just dont buy that hes oiling up his best assets and not his worst. Either way, while he lacked the quad seperation that Heath, Branch and Cutler will no doubt bring, his upper body conditioning was great and looked far less “ballooned up” than heath’s.

Besides, legs are probably the most common place to see competitors holding water even when their conditioning is mostly great otherwise, especially with less experienced bodybuilders. Some guys upper body conditioning can be shredded while their legs still look 5 weeks out. He could definitely nail it for the O, only time will tell.

And his shoulders look pretty damn shredded at 5 weeks out, would be surprised if there was any oil in there at all. [/quote]

I guess I wasn’t all that clear. I actually AGREE with you. All this talk about injecting oil…I just don’t see it. Certainly not in his legs. Hence my question; IF they are all oiling up so much, why wouldn’t he do it in his calves to balloon them up to match his thighs?

I don’t think these guys are using oil all that much.

However, I could be totally wrong. In that case I would like someone to show me how to ‘detect’ the oil ‘look’…[/quote]

Maybe my post was a bit confusing, i was basically agreeing with you as well, lol.

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[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:
So if injecting oil is so prevalent, and as some of you say used for the legs, why aren’t his calves enormous too?
Is that a bad spot for oil?
I admit I am a bit clueless in this regard and can’t really see what you guys are saying. His left delt looks a little off but I have a hard time seeing where Heath and Ramy supposedly have oil.
So I guess my question is, if they put oil everywhere, how come his calves suck?[/quote]

Maybe im wrong, but i dont see why someone like Ramy who obviously has fantastic quads would want to use SEO there. Along with your line of thinking, wouldnt he target his calves? (like Heath most likely does)

I just dont buy that hes oiling up his best assets and not his worst. Either way, while he lacked the quad seperation that Heath, Branch and Cutler will no doubt bring, his upper body conditioning was great and looked far less “ballooned up” than heath’s.

Besides, legs are probably the most common place to see competitors holding water even when their conditioning is mostly great otherwise, especially with less experienced bodybuilders. Some guys upper body conditioning can be shredded while their legs still look 5 weeks out. He could definitely nail it for the O, only time will tell.

And his shoulders look pretty damn shredded at 5 weeks out, would be surprised if there was any oil in there at all. [/quote]

I guess I wasn’t all that clear. I actually AGREE with you. All this talk about injecting oil…I just don’t see it. Certainly not in his legs. Hence my question; IF they are all oiling up so much, why wouldn’t he do it in his calves to balloon them up to match his thighs?

I don’t think these guys are using oil all that much.

However, I could be totally wrong. In that case I would like someone to show me how to ‘detect’ the oil ‘look’…[/quote]

Maybe they just got so good at using it that the ballooned-up-synthol look were used to seeing is a thing of the past…?

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@audiogarden1

:slight_smile:

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[quote]lemony2j wrote:

Maybe they just got so good at using it that the ballooned-up-synthol look were used to seeing is a thing of the past…?
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Yeah, but than how do you know? Where do all these accusations come from? At one time you could see lumps and shit but now? Is it really this prevalent among the pros?

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[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:
So if injecting oil is so prevalent, and as some of you say used for the legs, why aren’t his calves enormous too?
Is that a bad spot for oil?
I admit I am a bit clueless in this regard and can’t really see what you guys are saying. His left delt looks a little off but I have a hard time seeing where Heath and Ramy supposedly have oil.
So I guess my question is, if they put oil everywhere, how come his calves suck?[/quote]

Maybe im wrong, but i dont see why someone like Ramy who obviously has fantastic quads would want to use SEO there. Along with your line of thinking, wouldnt he target his calves? (like Heath most likely does)

I just dont buy that hes oiling up his best assets and not his worst. Either way, while he lacked the quad seperation that Heath, Branch and Cutler will no doubt bring, his upper body conditioning was great and looked far less “ballooned up” than heath’s.

Besides, legs are probably the most common place to see competitors holding water even when their conditioning is mostly great otherwise, especially with less experienced bodybuilders. Some guys upper body conditioning can be shredded while their legs still look 5 weeks out. He could definitely nail it for the O, only time will tell.

And his shoulders look pretty damn shredded at 5 weeks out, would be surprised if there was any oil in there at all. [/quote]

I guess I wasn’t all that clear. I actually AGREE with you. All this talk about injecting oil…I just don’t see it. Certainly not in his legs. Hence my question; IF they are all oiling up so much, why wouldn’t he do it in his calves to balloon them up to match his thighs?

I don’t think these guys are using oil all that much.

However, I could be totally wrong. In that case I would like someone to show me how to ‘detect’ the oil ‘look’…[/quote]

I think people usually call SEO when there’s difference in definition in neraby muscles. For example, look at Ramy’s front delt striations. Then look at his lateral delts. there’s a difference so some people scream oil. He’s not in contest shape so its to soon to say with Ramy, but with heath you could really tell by the way his whole arm looked.

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[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
And another…also 5 weeks out at 309lbs.

There is an O win in the very near future for this man, that i am certain of.[/quote]

Holy shit… its the Juggernaut…

The best pasrt about that pic, is my face as i scroll down the sidebar and his quads show. fucking unreal.

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[quote]Facepalm_Death wrote:

[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:
So if injecting oil is so prevalent, and as some of you say used for the legs, why aren’t his calves enormous too?
Is that a bad spot for oil?
I admit I am a bit clueless in this regard and can’t really see what you guys are saying. His left delt looks a little off but I have a hard time seeing where Heath and Ramy supposedly have oil.
So I guess my question is, if they put oil everywhere, how come his calves suck?[/quote]

Maybe im wrong, but i dont see why someone like Ramy who obviously has fantastic quads would want to use SEO there. Along with your line of thinking, wouldnt he target his calves? (like Heath most likely does)

I just dont buy that hes oiling up his best assets and not his worst. Either way, while he lacked the quad seperation that Heath, Branch and Cutler will no doubt bring, his upper body conditioning was great and looked far less “ballooned up” than heath’s.

Besides, legs are probably the most common place to see competitors holding water even when their conditioning is mostly great otherwise, especially with less experienced bodybuilders. Some guys upper body conditioning can be shredded while their legs still look 5 weeks out. He could definitely nail it for the O, only time will tell.

And his shoulders look pretty damn shredded at 5 weeks out, would be surprised if there was any oil in there at all. [/quote]

I guess I wasn’t all that clear. I actually AGREE with you. All this talk about injecting oil…I just don’t see it. Certainly not in his legs. Hence my question; IF they are all oiling up so much, why wouldn’t he do it in his calves to balloon them up to match his thighs?

I don’t think these guys are using oil all that much.

However, I could be totally wrong. In that case I would like someone to show me how to ‘detect’ the oil ‘look’…[/quote]

I think people usually call SEO when there’s difference in definition in neraby muscles. For example, look at Ramy’s front delt striations. Then look at his lateral delts. there’s a difference so some people scream oil. He’s not in contest shape so its to soon to say with Ramy, but with heath you could really tell by the way his whole arm looked.[/quote]

Yeah, unless theres an obvious “lump,” 5 weeks out is too soon to attribute any lack of definition to SEO use.

And yes i believe at that level pretty much everyone is using it in some form, though some people sure look like they dabble with it more than others…

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[quote]lemony2j wrote:
Just seen this on Kai’s Instagram - HO LY CRAP[/quote]

God damn, and this is at 299 lbs…with the way Kai Dennis and Cutler have been looking these past few weeks, Ramy may not look so massive once they hit the stage after all.

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There is speculation he isn’t actually 299lbs or whatever Farah claims, but rather playing games with fans since Rammy is over 300lbs. Cutler also is playing games, claiming that Phil and Kai will only be in the 240’s - 250’s on stage and only he and Rammy will be heavier. Someone is lying out their ass, or they all are.

Its just to build hype.

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[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
There is speculation he isn’t actually 299lbs or whatever Farah claims, but rather playing games with fans since Rammy is over 300lbs. Cutler also is playing games, claiming that Phil and Kai will only be in the 240’s - 250’s on stage and only he and Rammy will be heavier. Someone is lying out their ass, or they all are.

Its just to build hype.[/quote]

^Not the first time BBers have BSed their stats :slight_smile:

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Who cars what the weigh. If they dwarf the person next to them it doesn’t matter. Kai’s back is crazy. His low lats are almost over lapping

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He’s still lacking the traps, which is one point that Phil kicks his arse. Its nit-picky, but the judges will count it against him. Maybe he struggles genetically with that group.

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[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:
So if injecting oil is so prevalent, and as some of you say used for the legs, why aren’t his calves enormous too?
Is that a bad spot for oil?
I admit I am a bit clueless in this regard and can’t really see what you guys are saying. His left delt looks a little off but I have a hard time seeing where Heath and Ramy supposedly have oil.
So I guess my question is, if they put oil everywhere, how come his calves suck?[/quote]

Common locations for synth injections: Shoulders, biceps, calves. Some lesser common include triceps, “tear drop” quad, and for outer sweep. Those are the common ones. There are protocols for each. Smaller the muscle the more painful. The reason many guys get by with the use, is they do it the correct weight, so you don’t get lumps - or the freaky proportions.

I’m at a higher bodyfat than Rammy in his picture (obviously lol) and my lateral heads show striation depending on the time of day. I wouldn’t be surprised if he had used Synth on them. I could care less, he still had to work the muscle to stretch the fascia and then build the muscle.

Not covering synth or ped’s any further, others can stipulate, but I thought I’d share with you since you phrased it in an interest to learn. Others more knowledgeable can correct me if they feel the need or know better.

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[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
He’s still lacking the traps, which is one point that Phil kicks his arse. Its nit-picky, but the judges will count it against him. Maybe he struggles genetically with that group.[/quote]

Agreed. Kai is going to have the best lats on stage, but ht gets killed in the traps/upper back, especially in the RDB next to Phil.