“bodybuilding”… the dumbest sport there is… train hard, BUT eat a ton of drugs… so how do we find out who REALLY has the best body thru proper diet, recovery and hard training? YOU DONT. this sports ALWAYS been filled with guys not satisfied with their body from day 1, so they ALL revert to enhansing drugs to get the look they want.they cant get the body they want without drugs, so they CHEAT and take lots of them…durgs are a bodybuilders security blanket… they may train hard and eat well, but they still have in the back of their minds the drugs, to take them to the higher level they COULD GET TO by not taking them… SO SAD…
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
[quote]BigJJ88 wrote:
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
Maybe it’s just his genetics (doubtful) but the round “puffed up” bulbous look is what I think people are referring too with their SEO talk.[/quote]
Nope, no synthol at all…;)[/quote]
Look at his newest video on the last page. Again, I’m not saying he doesn’t use synthol as I have no idea, but I see no signs of it in his newest video. [/quote]
. In the Phil Heath thread a year or two ago a picture of his calf with a golfball of oil was posted and yet people still didn’t believe.
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How is what appears to be a “golfball of oil” indication of SEO?? I’ve had sterile abscesses from local igf injections that look exactly the same or worse. Proper administration of SEO is more likely to cause pooling of oil around the ankle//elbow as a sign of SEO use, than the symptoms you described.
EDIT:The majority of guys are going to be using SEO in the offseason, REGARDLESS of whether they come into the show with any oil left in them. Depending on the oil used, you can have full clearance in 6 weeks or less, using year round allows for more pliable fascia and better muscle growth. Dunno why everyone cries so hard about it, its probably one of the few legal things a bodybuilder can do.[/quote]
Interesting, what more do you know about SEO?
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Well what jj says is exactly my understanding. Good friend who I know that is competing for a pro card come may uses in the offseason just as jj has said. The SEO they use supposedly lays evenly across the muscle, so you do not get the lumpy look anymore. And like he said it helps to stretch the fascia, but from what I have heard hurts like a son of a bitch.
And when dieting (according to my close friend) your body will metabolize all the seo oil looking for energy anyways at a fairly quick rate.
Well said Stu, how about some Olympia predictions, and reasons why ?
[quote]spk wrote:
“bodybuilding”… the dumbest sport there is… train hard, BUT eat a ton of drugs… so how do we find out who REALLY has the best body thru proper diet, recovery and hard training? YOU DONT. this sports ALWAYS been filled with guys not satisfied with their body from day 1, so they ALL revert to enhansing drugs to get the look they want.they cant get the body they want without drugs, so they CHEAT and take lots of them…durgs are a bodybuilders security blanket… they may train hard and eat well, but they still have in the back of their minds the drugs, to take them to the higher level they COULD GET TO by not taking them… SO SAD…[/quote]
And yet all-knowing winners like you simply can’t stay away from watching them and then sharing your (unsollicited) words of wisdom on this forum. There must be something about it after all…
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
and now the thread has turned because some people disagree, or even seem to take personal offense to contemplating the level (I say level because let’s just assume all the top guys use to some degree) of SEO use an individual MAY have due to the look their physique has taken in recent years?
This isn’t new though. You can read the magazines even back in the 90’s and see the writers discussing ‘suspicious looking lumps’ in various competitors, and how the judges marked them down ‘accordingly’. These writers certainly weren’t experts on SEO use, and yet they could see potentially awkward the changes in competitors’ physiques over a relatively short time period (and I think that’s one of the reasons people seem to react the way they do, as these are already very advanced athletes). In the current status of the sport, regardless of genetics, hard work, anything else you wanna attribute success to, you cannot deny that use of methods of expansion, or “enhancement” are being used to gain every possible upper hand (there is money on the line, and livelihoods at stake). If you do, then you’ve really got your head in the sand. This doesn’t discount any of the other traits needed to reach the top though, so PLEASE make peace with that point that gets repeatedly brought up.
Now again, I’m no expert myself, and I certainly can’t say for certain whether I think Phil abuses or not, because I honestly don’t know, and seriously, I don’t really care. I like the guy’s physique, I like other top guys’ physiques, and of course I have my own personal preferences when I judge amateur contests.
You guys getting angry or upset about people voicing their suspicions have to realize though that it’s not just a few guys on here, because let’s face it, TN isn’t exactly a central hub for competitors and people with real insider knowledge of the intricacies of the professional level of the sport (no matter how much some people may think they are). On any number of the other sites I frequent, you’re gonna find what seems to be a pretty major component of the posters making remarks about Phil’s current (last year or so) look and the possible (probable?) reason for it. Calling other people internet experts, or “heroes” is just silly, because unless someone can truly speak from their own experiences with SEO, or is one of Heath’s inner circle, they’re just an internet jockey as well. I have my own opinions, but hell, I know I can’t prove 'em one way or another.
If anyone has real info about SEO use, then by all means, I’m sure we’ll all listen eagerly. But the direction this thread is going (the last day with people getting… “butthurt” and seeming personally offended)… let it go guys, this was a great thread with people giving their breakdowns and predictions up until a page ago. I happen to love when we get more BBing oriented posts in here. The Olympia’s in 6 days, and a handful of guys all have the serious potential/ability to take it. Instead, some people would rather argue the degree that one competitor makes use of a practice that appears to be accepted, and common across the board (as one poster pointed out, it is legal).
S[/quote]
i dont think anyone is butthurt, some just wanted to see proof of the so big seo abuse of phil heath and nothing came, but weak theories. you wrote in another thread that phil heath is disliked because of the high abuse of seo like its a fact :(? maybe i misread i cant remember where it was written
[quote]Mr.Jeannay wrote:
i dont think anyone is butthurt, some just wanted to see proof of the so big seo abuse of phil heath and nothing came, but weak theories. you wrote in another thread that phil heath is disliked because of the high abuse of seo like its a fact :(? maybe i misread i cant remember where it was written[/quote]
I get what you’re saying Stu, but it’s this. ^
If one doesn’t like someone’s physique, for whatever reason, fine. (Hell, I’ve had to back up my like for Branch for years now.) But asserting that someone who is known to have ridiculous muscle bellies and insertions is or isn’t on any more SEO than anyone else - without anything to back that up with, is just ignorant and makes me wonder why they’re posting in this thread in the first place.
(Besides, if someone IS that noticeably “full of oil” or whatever, judges will judge that accordingly as has been done in competitions past.)
[quote]spk wrote:
“bodybuilding”… the dumbest sport there is… train hard, BUT eat a ton of drugs… so how do we find out who REALLY has the best body thru proper diet, recovery and hard training? YOU DONT. this sports ALWAYS been filled with guys not satisfied with their body from day 1, so they ALL revert to enhansing drugs to get the look they want.they cant get the body they want without drugs, so they CHEAT and take lots of them…durgs are a bodybuilders security blanket… they may train hard and eat well, but they still have in the back of their minds the drugs, to take them to the higher level they COULD GET TO by not taking them… SO SAD…[/quote]
you know you’re posting in the ‘bodybuilding’ forum, in a thread about the biggest bodybuilding competition in the world, right?
Also, what exactly are these bodybuilders doing to cheat? Steroids are legal in many parts of the world, and the Olympia is obviously not a drug-tested show. If it’s not against the rules, it’s not cheating.
Go back under your bridge.
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
[quote]bigjoey wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Can someone explain to me what they see when they say Phil is so pumped of full of oil? I’m sure a lot (possibly all) of the pros use synthol to some extent but I just don’t see the tell tale signs that point to synthol abuse (no definition, no striations, no contraction of the muscle, etc.).[/quote]
Dude, I have asked the same question a half dozen times and I just don’t see it.[/quote]
Internet gossip mill.
If you repeat it enough times, it becomes true.
if you tweet it, it becomes law.
Bullshit rules the world now.[/quote]
Agreed. Honestly… what this thread has turned into - a bunch of fucking armchair internet heroes speculating with no evidence other than the great achievements of the athletes to try to convinces us they are faking it - is making me sick to my stomach.
To those looking at a muscle that looks a little round and immediately saying ‘oil’… go back to the 70’s and 80’s before synthol was even around and see if there’s a big difference in the actual shape of the muscles… because to me it just looks like the difference is the size…
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You sound butthurt bro :D.[/quote]
Goddamn it kid, you really add absolutely nothing to this site.
EDIT: and nope, my butt is just fine. A bit hit with the ladies from all the deep squats.
Wow, we’re way off track. I don’t come to the BBing side of this site very often, but I thought this thread was about 2013 Mr Olympia contest. I like to follow the big BBing contests, and get an idea who people are excited about, and why. They all use shit we get it, get over it, now fresh start ;
Mr Olympia 2013,
[quote]SSC wrote:
[quote]Mr.Jeannay wrote:
i dont think anyone is butthurt, some just wanted to see proof of the so big seo abuse of phil heath and nothing came, but weak theories. you wrote in another thread that phil heath is disliked because of the high abuse of seo like its a fact :(? maybe i misread i cant remember where it was written[/quote]
I get what you’re saying Stu, but it’s this. ^
If one doesn’t like someone’s physique, for whatever reason, fine. (Hell, I’ve had to back up my like for Branch for years now.) But asserting that someone who is known to have ridiculous muscle bellies and insertions is or isn’t on any more SEO than anyone else - without anything to back that up with, is just ignorant and makes me wonder why they’re posting in this thread in the first place.
(Besides, if someone IS that noticeably “full of oil” or whatever, judges will judge that accordingly as has been done in competitions past.)[/quote]
I honestly hope your post is understood and considered as true.
The internet has become the breeding ground for baseless rumors that get spread until everyone believes it as fact.
No one interested truly in bodybuilding should be ok with that.
If this is happening just so guys can “have fun” it ruins any chance of a tru3 discussion past these rumors.
[quote]SSC wrote:
[quote]Mr.Jeannay wrote:
i dont think anyone is butthurt, some just wanted to see proof of the so big seo abuse of phil heath and nothing came, but weak theories. you wrote in another thread that phil heath is disliked because of the high abuse of seo like its a fact :(? maybe i misread i cant remember where it was written[/quote]
I get what you’re saying Stu, but it’s this. ^
If one doesn’t like someone’s physique, for whatever reason, fine. (Hell, I’ve had to back up my like for Branch for years now.) But asserting that someone who is known to have ridiculous muscle bellies and insertions is or isn’t on any more SEO than anyone else - without anything to back that up with, is just ignorant and makes me wonder why they’re posting in this thread in the first place.
(Besides, if someone IS that noticeably “full of oil” or whatever, judges will judge that accordingly as has been done in competitions past.)[/quote]
I honestly hope your post is understood and considered as true.
The internet has become the breeding ground for baseless rumors that get spread until everyone believes it as fact.
No one interested truly in bodybuilding should be ok with that.
If this is happening just so guys can “have fun” it ruins any chance of a tru3 discussion past these rumors.
[quote]Bauber wrote:
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
[quote]BigJJ88 wrote:
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
Maybe it’s just his genetics (doubtful) but the round “puffed up” bulbous look is what I think people are referring too with their SEO talk.[/quote]
Nope, no synthol at all…;)[/quote]
Look at his newest video on the last page. Again, I’m not saying he doesn’t use synthol as I have no idea, but I see no signs of it in his newest video. [/quote]
. In the Phil Heath thread a year or two ago a picture of his calf with a golfball of oil was posted and yet people still didn’t believe.
[/quote]
How is what appears to be a “golfball of oil” indication of SEO?? I’ve had sterile abscesses from local igf injections that look exactly the same or worse. Proper administration of SEO is more likely to cause pooling of oil around the ankle//elbow as a sign of SEO use, than the symptoms you described.
EDIT:The majority of guys are going to be using SEO in the offseason, REGARDLESS of whether they come into the show with any oil left in them. Depending on the oil used, you can have full clearance in 6 weeks or less, using year round allows for more pliable fascia and better muscle growth. Dunno why everyone cries so hard about it, its probably one of the few legal things a bodybuilder can do.[/quote]
Interesting, what more do you know about SEO?
[/quote]
Well what jj says is exactly my understanding. Good friend who I know that is competing for a pro card come may uses in the offseason just as jj has said. The SEO they use supposedly lays evenly across the muscle, so you do not get the lumpy look anymore. And like he said it helps to stretch the fascia, but from what I have heard hurts like a son of a bitch.
And when dieting (according to my close friend) your body will metabolize all the seo oil looking for energy anyways at a fairly quick rate.[/quote]
Thanks for the response man! Do you ever think you would do SEO?
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
Wow, we’re way off track. I don’t come to the BBing side of this site very often, but I thought this thread was about 2013 Mr Olympia contest. I like to follow the big BBing contests, and get an idea who people are excited about, and why. They all use shit we get it, get over it, now fresh start ;
Mr Olympia 2013, [/quote]
Sorry if I missed it but what are your predictions for the Olympia and why?
Also, X is what is yours since I don’t think you have posted any yet?
+Anyone actually going to it? I know a few people here went last year.
[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
[quote]bigjoey wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Can someone explain to me what they see when they say Phil is so pumped of full of oil? I’m sure a lot (possibly all) of the pros use synthol to some extent but I just don’t see the tell tale signs that point to synthol abuse (no definition, no striations, no contraction of the muscle, etc.).[/quote]
Dude, I have asked the same question a half dozen times and I just don’t see it.[/quote]
Internet gossip mill.
If you repeat it enough times, it becomes true.
if you tweet it, it becomes law.
Bullshit rules the world now.[/quote]
Agreed. Honestly… what this thread has turned into - a bunch of fucking armchair internet heroes speculating with no evidence other than the great achievements of the athletes to try to convinces us they are faking it - is making me sick to my stomach.
To those looking at a muscle that looks a little round and immediately saying ‘oil’… go back to the 70’s and 80’s before synthol was even around and see if there’s a big difference in the actual shape of the muscles… because to me it just looks like the difference is the size…
[/quote]
You sound butthurt bro :D.[/quote]
Goddamn it kid, you really add absolutely nothing to this site.
EDIT: and nope, my butt is just fine. A bit hit with the ladies from all the deep squats.[/quote]
My butt doesn’t hurt…but my heart sure does 
Okay here is my attempt to get this topic back on track. My humble predictions for the big show:
- Jay
- Kai
3.Big Ramy - Phil
5.Shawn - Dexter
Without over-analyzing every pick I’ll give reasons for my more controversial picks. I think this will probably be Jay’s last Olympia and I expect to see him in the best shape ever. He knows what to do, is injury-free (I believe), and I just admire his physique. Kai just brings so much to the table he has to place really well. Ramy is probably my biggest surprise, and all I can say is "wow.: It is rare to get me excited about new guys these days, but this guy is a super freak. I know he has not been truly tested, but he has just such an unbelievable body. Phil is the current champ, but I guess I am not as big a fan as most.
I would honestly be so happy to see Victor place in the top 6 in such a competitive year.
I am not one to call posters out, but…spk what is your deal? Either you are a relentless troll or the most ignorant person to post here. In the 2013 Olympia thread you say bodybuilding is the dumbest sport ever, in the column’s about Rippetoe you ask what he has ever done and complain about how this strength guru looks, you go on and on about Lance Armstrong’s admission. Why are you here, and furthermore why do you post? Your contribution just seems to be to piss people off. I just don’t get it.
Sorry for the rant to all of the authentic posters here. It’s just that every time this guy posts I feel a little nauseous.
I’d like to see Jay, Vic, and Branch in the top 6, because I like the them, and they’re story. I think there was a time when Vic had the best package there was, and wonder if thats possible again. I have always thought Dex’s build represented the sport the best, he kept showing up for years with spot on conditioning, mass, and a tight waist, they finaly gave him one. he’s been pretty quiet all year, so my fingers are crossed. phil, and Rammey are cartoon figures that blow my mind.
I’ve spent my life training athletics, and PLing, but as a gym owner I like to follow BBing. Recently been involved with a young national competitor, first time being involved with real training, and diet at this level, and I gained a new respect and understanding for BBing. Anyway like to see things shake out like this
1, Jay
2, kai
3, Phill
4, Vic
5, Dex
6, Branch, or Rammey
I’d guess since I don’t train BBing, or follow the sport closely, my pics might represent joe public ? I generaly like shape over raw mass, but I like jay’s story, and kai’s just a beast. 2cents
@RATTLEHEAD: its cheap, effective, painful and extremely time consuming,
Olympia predictions:
Phil
Kai
Wolf
Jay
Rhoden
Rami
What I want to happen
Evan
Branch
→ w/e
[quote]BigJJ88 wrote:
@RATTLEHEAD: its cheap, effective, painful and extremely time consuming,
Olympia predictions:
Phil
Kai
Wolf
Jay
Rhoden
Rami
What I want to happen
Evan
Branch
→ w/e[/quote]
Interesting choice with Wolf, he is probably my favourite competitor right now but I don’t know if he will be allowed even in the top 6 this year!